[quote]Whether you believe that religious violence is fueled by faith or is a symptom of larger factors -- political instability, poverty, cultural chaos -- one thing seems clear: Last week was hellish for religion.
Across several continents, including North America, Europe, Asia and Africa, scores of religious believers suffered and died in brutal attacks over the past seven days.
The causes of violence are complex, and reducing them to talking points only adds to the problem, scholars say. But if you want to rally troops to your side, few tools are more powerful than religion, said Michael Jerryson, co-editor of "The Oxford Handbook of Religion and Violence."
"If you can turn a battle into good versus evil, or doing God's will, you will get so much more devotion," he told CNN. "It's a calling that invokes more than the mundane; it raises the stakes."
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[quote][B]Monday[/B]
Boko Haram, the Muslim militant group based in Nigeria, attacked several towns in neighboring Cameroon, kidnapping 20 people. The Islamic extremists also detonated a car bomb in Niger, according to The Associated Press. The death toll is still unclear.[/quote]
[quote][B]Tuesday[/B]
Craig Stephen Hicks, an ardent atheist who railed online against religion, was accused of killing three young Muslims in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.[/quote]
[quote][B]Wednesday[/B]
ISIS, the Muslim militant group that calls itself the "Islamic State," launched several attacks across Iraq, striking Kurdish forces in the North and Iraqi civilians in Baghdad.[/quote]
[quote][B]Thursday[/B]
Al Qaeda killed four Yemeni soldiers while seizing a critical military base in the town of Baihan, taking control of its weaponry, according to local security officials.[/quote]
[quote][B]Friday[/B]
Boko Haram continued its cross-border attacks, killing four civilians and a soldier in neighboring Chad.
The deaths came hours after 21 people were killed in two separate attacks on Akida ‎and Mbuta villages near the northeast Nigerian city of Maiduguri, according to residents and a local community leader.[/quote]
[quote][B]Saturday[/B]
A gunman opened fire at a free-speech forum in Copenhagen, Denmark, where a Swedish cartoonist who had depicted the Prophet Mohammed was scheduled to speak.
By the end of the melee, the gunman had wounded three officers and killed a 55-year-old man.[/quote]
[quote][B]Sunday[/B]
In a new video released Sunday by ISIS, the militant group claims to have beheaded over a dozen members of Egypt's Christian minority on a Libyan beach.
The video shows jihadists in black standing behind each of the victims, who are dressed in orange jumpsuits with their hands cuffed behind them.[/quote][/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/living/religion-week-hell/index.html[/url]
[quote]Tuesday
Craig Stephen Hicks, an ardent atheist who railed online against religion, was accused of killing three young Muslims in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.[/quote]
Was the conclusion that this was a religious fundamented incident derived from the fact that the perpetrator was an atheist and the victims were muslim?
Not to insinuate anything broader than I am, but is it really fair to say that it's 'religion' in the abstracts bad week, when out of 7 events, 6 were perpetrated by one religion and the other against it?
I mean, say it's a bad week for Islam sure, granted, but I'm not sure you can just say, 'religion' in general without more examples.
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Craig Stephen Hicks, an ardent atheist who railed online against religion, was accused of killing three young Muslims in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
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Weird I didn't hear about this
Then again I get most of my news from FP so
Edit:
Nvm found the thread
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1450746&p=47120624[/url]
[QUOTE=PatrickT;47153867]Was the conclusion that this was a religious fundamented incident derived from the fact that the perpetrator was an atheist and the victims were muslim?[/QUOTE]
People called the police telling them they had reason to believe it was, and his facebook paged was filled with anti-Muslim stuff.
Humans will find any excuse to do away with each other. If it wasn't for religion, it would be something else. Heck, the powers that be seem to be trying to get a gender war going as well at the moment as a backup.
And all of them are related to islam in one way or another...
I agree, bad week for Islam... not religion as a whole.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;47153922]Humans will find any excuse to do away with each other. If it wasn't for religion, it would be something else. Heck, the powers that be seem to be trying to get a gender war going as well at the moment as a backup.[/QUOTE]
What a spectacularly amazing mess of a post.
What the fuck kind of "preparations" are you seeing for some "gender war"? This weird "PC bullshit gone mad" stuff really needs to stop, the increase in awareness of things such as Feminism, and the founding and growth of reactionary groups like MRA groups is in no way indicating that somebody or some group is attempting to poke and prod men and women into fighting each other. Where would anybody even get such an asinine idea from?
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;47153922]Humans will find any excuse to do away with each other. If it wasn't for religion, it would be something else. Heck, the powers that be seem to be trying to get a gender war going as well at the moment as a backup.[/QUOTE]
I seem to have missed out on this big big war between genders.
Well, it's pretty clear that all the 50 shades stuff is meant to be controversial. That plus gamergate.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;47154810]Well, it's pretty clear that all the 50 shades stuff is meant to be controversial. That plus gamergate.[/QUOTE]
The only real question left is whether it's the lizardmen or the Illuminati that's behind it.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;47154810]Well, it's pretty clear that all the 50 shades stuff is meant to be controversial. That plus gamergate.[/QUOTE]
that law and order episode was fictional
The most violent thing associated with gamergate has been a few incidents of swatting, there isn't going to be a war over video games come on
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47154206]What a spectacularly amazing mess of a post.
What the fuck kind of "preparations" are you seeing for some "gender war"? This weird "PC bullshit gone mad" stuff really needs to stop, the increase in awareness of things such as Feminism, and the founding and growth of reactionary groups like MRA groups is in no way indicating that somebody or some group is attempting to poke and prod men and women into fighting each other. Where would anybody even get such an asinine idea from?[/QUOTE]
To be fair there is a gender war going on in pretty much the same places 5 out of these 7 things have happened in. Boko Hiram for example really doesn't like women being educated
And other extremist groups regularly attack women who try to be more than subjugated cattle
Its a bit different from the PC war that isn't happening but there is a real war against women
[QUOTE=Sableye;47155733]To be fair there is a gender war going on in pretty much the same places 5 out of these 7 things have happened in. Boko Hiram for example really doesn't like women being educated
And other extremist groups regularly attack women who try to be more than subjugated cattle
Its a bit different from the PC war that isn't happening but there is a real war against women[/QUOTE]
"It's a bit different."
Yep, on one hand you have people who want to relegate women to a 6th Century position in society and on the other you have rape jokes. Just "a bit different."
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47154206]What a spectacularly amazing mess of a post.
What the fuck kind of "preparations" are you seeing for some "gender war"? This weird "PC bullshit gone mad" stuff really needs to stop, the increase in awareness of things such as Feminism, and the founding and growth of reactionary groups like MRA groups is in no way indicating that somebody or some group is attempting to poke and prod men and women into fighting each other. [B]Where would anybody even get such an asinine idea from?[/B][/QUOTE]
this type of mindset usually belongs to someone whose entire exposure to feminism is reddit and videogame stuff
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;47154810]Well, it's pretty clear that all the 50 shades stuff is meant to be controversial. That plus gamergate.[/QUOTE]
whoomp there it is
[editline]16th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=BFG9000;47153884]Weird I didn't hear about this
Then again I get most of my news from FP so
Edit:
Nvm found the thread
[URL]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1450746&p=47120624[/URL][/QUOTE]
i'm honestly kinda shocked the thread didn't blow up more tbh.
like during the last week news agencies and dudes on social media have been [I]defending[/I] this fucking wackjob. iirc his wife said that the couple and their friend were in "the wrong place at the wrong time," which is apparently their own front yard.
grossest ordeal i've seen in a while online.
[IMG]http://40.media.tumblr.com/383bc27bc3942048adbeb97f6b5b8881/tumblr_njrkosnYzv1qzv3a2o1_500.jpg[/IMG]
Was there ever any confirmation that the Hicks murders were motivated by religion rather than being him just snapping over a parking dispute?
I've seen people say his facebook page contained anti-muslim sentiments that suggest it was motivated by religion. I've also seen people point out that his facebook page contained a lot of progressive liberal stuff with him making a big deal of being tolerant suggesting it may not have been.
Is there a confirmation I'm missing that allows CNN to say it was motivated by religion with confidence or is CNN taking an opportunity to try and balance out the heavy muslim involvement in pretty much all the instances of religious violence in the week?
[QUOTE=Explosions;47154819]The only real question left is whether it's the lizardmen or the Illuminati that's behind it.[/QUOTE]
"If we mention David Icke and the Lizard Men(TM), we can discredit every other thing that might have a shred of credibility."
[QUOTE=milkandcookies]
this type of mindset usually belongs to someone whose entire exposure to feminism is reddit and videogame stuff
[/QUOTE]
Sadly, reddit has becomes worse than Fox for propaganda - except this time it is "left wing" propaganda. Either people really believe in that stuff or the "Illuminerty" are doing their job rather too well.
Isn't it obvious that males and females are both human and since they have a different label, it would be easy to "create some tensions" to keep people distracted while those in priviliged positions keep going about their saville-like business with less spotlight on them.
EDIT: Actually, I give up. It is very clear to me that my opinion is not shared by most people on most things.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47154258]I seem to have missed out on this big big war between genders.[/QUOTE]
it's ok, you still get to be drafted into the great skeleton war afterwards
I'm pretty sure in any given week [I]in all of human history[/I] you can find six or seven instances of people killing people based on religious beliefs.
I'm the sort of person who avoid identifying as an Atheist due to my dislike of Internet Atheists and people like Dawkins but this deal with the guy killing people due to being Atheist seems like a desperate attempt to smear Atheism as its become more and more clear how poisonous religion is to the human race due to extremism.
[editline]17th February 2015[/editline]
I mean the relation is barely even tangential, he's just a psychopath who happened to be Atheist - No different from saying Stalin or Hitler's crimes were somehow crimes of Atheism
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;47159245]I'm the sort of person who avoid identifying as an Atheist due to my dislike of Internet Atheists and people like Dawkins but this deal with the guy killing people due to being Atheist seems like a desperate attempt to smear Atheism as its become more and more clear how poisonous religion is to the human race due to extremism.
[editline]17th February 2015[/editline]
I mean the relation is barely even tangential, he's just a psychopath who happened to be Atheist - No different from saying Stalin or Hitler's crimes were somehow crimes of Atheism[/QUOTE]
Well good luck convincing people. You mentioned the whole "Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot" fallacy but that's actually extremely widely accepted by religious people as some great argument against atheism. This classification of atheists as some sort of danger isn't going away any time soon (in the US) and events like this is just going to solidify it in people's minds.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;47159245]I'm the sort of person who avoid identifying as an Atheist due to my dislike of Internet Atheists and people like Dawkins but this deal with the guy killing people due to being Atheist seems like a desperate attempt to smear Atheism as its become more and more clear how poisonous religion is to the human race due to extremism.
[editline]17th February 2015[/editline]
I mean the relation is barely even tangential, he's just a psychopath who happened to be Atheist - No different from saying Stalin or Hitler's crimes were somehow crimes of Atheism[/QUOTE]
Christian kills someone = Murderer
Atheist kills someone = Murderer
Muslim kills someone = Muslim Terrorist
Seriously, the media is driving this sick image that everyone who happens to be Muslim (and are committing a crime), are doing it in the name of their religion!
Also they are automatically stamped as terrorists, whether it's a murder, kidnapping or stealing candy from the store.
A great example is this recent crime where 3 Muslim students got killed over an alleged parking dispute. The father of one of the kids that got killed, told in an interview, that this man had over a course of many weeks (possibly months) been harassing them. This is not something that just happened overnight. The man was deliberately targeting them, and he had even brandished the gun to them (as a sort of warning) a while ago.
His Facebook page was filled with Islamophobic nonsense. The women were wearing hijabs, he knew they were Muslims. Still, the media refused to report about this for 24 hours, waiting for everything to calm down, while Twitter, Facebook and other social media were actively discussing this matter.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;47154810]Well, it's pretty clear that all the 50 shades stuff is meant to be controversial. That plus gamergate.[/QUOTE]
Even if there was a gender war, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't start with those.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;47159406]Christian kills someone = Murderer
Atheist kills someone = Murderer
Muslim kills someone = Muslim Terrorist
Seriously, the media is driving this sick image that everyone who happens to be Muslim (and are committing a crime), are doing it in the name of their religion!
Also they are automatically stamped as terrorists, whether it's a murder, kidnapping or stealing candy from the store.
A great example is this recent crime where 3 Muslim students got killed over an alleged parking dispute. The father of one of the kids that got killed, told in an interview, that this man had over a course of many weeks (possibly months) been harassing them. This is not something that just happened overnight. The man was deliberately targeting them, and he had even brandished the gun to them (as a sort of warning) a while ago.
His Facebook page was filled with Islamophobic nonsense. The women were wearing hijabs, he knew they were Muslims. Still, the media refused to report about this for 24 hours, waiting for everything to calm down, while Twitter, Facebook and other social media were actively discussing this matter.[/QUOTE]
If that is the case, then it was probably targeted and was a legitimate hate crime.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;47159245]I'm the sort of person who avoid identifying as an Atheist due to my dislike of Internet Atheists and people like Dawkins but this deal with the guy killing people due to being Atheist seems like a desperate attempt to smear Atheism as its become more and more clear how poisonous religion is to the human race due to extremism.
[editline]17th February 2015[/editline]
I mean the relation is barely even tangential, he's just a psychopath who happened to be Atheist - No different from saying Stalin or Hitler's crimes were somehow crimes of Atheism[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that he murdered those Muslims due to their faith, which means yeah it was about his atheism.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47159647]I was under the impression that he murdered those Muslims due to their faith, which means yeah it was about his atheism.[/QUOTE]
That's not atheism that's extremist antitheism.
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