Canada 2011 Electoral Polls Confirmed to be Fraudulent - Polidicks

[url="http://presstv.com/detail/2013/05/25/305314/confirmed-canada-2011-polls-fraudulent/"]Press TV[/url] [url="http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-619-12%20EN.pdf"]Federal Court Documents Regarding The Event[/url] [url="http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/24/electoral-fraud-did-take-place-in-2011-federal-vote-but-it-didnt-affect-outcome-judge-rules/"]National Post[/url] [url="http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/05/24/federal-court-upholds-2011-election-results-in-robocall-ridings/"]Macleans[/url] [img]http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130525/yasaman.hashemi20130525090112593.jpg[/img] [quote]The Canadian Federal Court has confirmed that the country’s 2011 federal election, which led to the victory of Stephen Harper's government, was fraudulent. The court emphasized in a Thursday ruling that it has found in no uncertain terms that widespread election fraud took place during the vote. The ruling also stated that “there was an orchestrated effort to suppress votes during the 2011 election campaign by a person with access to the [Conservative Party's] CIMS database.” [/quote] [quote]OTTAWA – Fraud was definitely a factor in the rash of misleading robocalls that bedevilled voters in six federal ridings in the 2011 election, but not enough of one to justify overturning the results, a Federal Court judge has decided. The ruling, released late Thursday, left both sides in the dispute — the Conservative party in one corner, the voters who fielded the calls in the other — claiming victory of a sort.[/quote] [quote]These are very serious matters that strike at the integrity of our democratic process. If they are not addressed and responded to, they risk undermining an essential ingredient of a healthy democracy, namely the trust that electors have in the electoral process.[/quote] [quote]“I find that electoral fraud occurred during the 41st General Election but I am not satisfied that it has been established that the fraud affected the outcomes in the subject ridings and I decline to exercise my discretion to annul the results in those districts.” The decision fails to give the Council of Canadians the result it sought, but may pose a political problem for the Conservatives, who have steadfastly rejected any suggestion that the party mounted a voter suppression campaign beyond the infamous “Pierre Poutine” robocall in Guelph, Ont., which the party has blamed on rogue elements.[/quote] And this is why I usually don't vote.

Harper sucks so much and I still don't know who to vote

So, does this mean he gets removed from his position?

Can you find another news source besides Press TV? [QUOTE=Zenreon117;40804555][url="http://presstv.com/detail/2013/05/25/305314/confirmed-canada-2011-polls-fraudulent/"]Press TV[/url] And this is why I usually don't vote.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=laserguided;40804622]Can you find another news source besides Press TV?[/QUOTE] Are the documents from the federal court untrustworthy or something?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40804636]Are the documents from the federal court untrustworthy or something?[/QUOTE] They are trustworthy, I'm just saying you should find another news source besides Press TV, or get rid of it. Press TV is Iranian propaganda.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40804555][url="http://presstv.com/detail/2013/05/25/305314/confirmed-canada-2011-polls-fraudulent/"]Press TV[/url] [url="http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-619-12%20EN.pdf"]Federal Court Documents Regarding The Event[/url] [img]http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130525/yasaman.hashemi20130525090112593.jpg[/img] And this is why I usually don't vote.[/QUOTE] Sensationalist as fuck. From pg. 91: [quote][253] Canadians have confidence in the integrity of our electoral procedures. The sanctity of the poll and the ballot box in this country is reflected in the frequent invitations Canada receives to provide independent observers to supervise foreign elections. There may have been isolated instances of electoral misbehaviour in the past but, as noted above, incidents of voter suppression of the nature discussed in these reasons have not been known in this country prior to the 41st General Election. For that reason, I don’t doubt that the confidence rightfully held by Canadians has been shaken by the disclosures of widespread fraudulent activities that have resulted from the Commissioner’s investigations and the complaints to Elections Canada. [/quote] And seriously you could have found a better source than [I]Iranian propaganda[/I] to back this up. Also this report was released several days ago, it's hardly still in the news cycle. You need to come up with a better reason not to vote than what PressTV tells you.

At least they didn't use brasscheck as a reference.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;40804621]So, does this mean he gets removed from his position?[/QUOTE] Prime minister =/= President. People voted for the conservative party, not just for Harper. So if there's any reprecussions it'll be for the entire party, not just Harper. Though I suppose he could always resign from party leadership or something, not that that will happen.

[QUOTE=Sixer;40804697]Sensationalist as fuck. From pg. 91: And seriously you could have found a better source than [I]Iranian propaganda[/I] to back this up. Also this report was released several days ago, it's hardly still in the news cycle. You need to come up with a better reason not to vote than what PressTV tells you.[/QUOTE] The rule is one month.

[QUOTE=Sixer;40804697]Sensationalist as fuck. From pg. 91: And seriously you could have found a better source than [I]Iranian propaganda[/I] to back this up. Also this report was released several days ago, it's hardly still in the news cycle. You need to come up with a better reason not to vote than what PressTV tells you.[/QUOTE] Did you even read to the end of that section you quoted? The PressTV link is just commentary, for all intensive purposes the documents themselves should stand to reason. Regardless here is another source [url]http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/24/electoral-fraud-did-take-place-in-2011-federal-vote-but-it-didnt-affect-outcome-judge-rules/[/url] [quote]“I find that electoral fraud occurred during the 41st General Election but I am not satisfied that it has been established that the fraud affected the outcomes in the subject ridings and I decline to exercise my discretion to annul the results in those districts.” The decision fails to give the Council of Canadians the result it sought, but may pose a political problem for the Conservatives, who have steadfastly rejected any suggestion that the party mounted a voter suppression campaign beyond the infamous “Pierre Poutine” robocall in Guelph, Ont., which the party has blamed on rogue elements.[/quote] [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] And another [url]http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/05/24/federal-court-upholds-2011-election-results-in-robocall-ridings/[/url] [quote]OTTAWA – Fraud was definitely a factor in the rash of misleading robocalls that bedevilled voters in six federal ridings in the 2011 election, but not enough of one to justify overturning the results, a Federal Court judge has decided. The ruling, released late Thursday, left both sides in the dispute — the Conservative party in one corner, the voters who fielded the calls in the other — claiming victory of a sort.[/quote]

I hate Harper sooooooooooooooo much. Leading the 'Conservative' party as un-conservative as possible, seriously how many bad changes have we had since this guy has been in parliament. Screw you harper, and screw your stupid reform party, I seriously hope we get someone who actually knows what they're doing.

I wonder if the laws they've passed will be removed because they had fraudulently been voted in! not

I really don't think much will come of this. I'm not up to snuff on my Canadian politics history but didn't the Liberals have some scandal like this as well a while back? And nothing came of that too.

Please let this mean a new election. I want Harper out on his ass, he's such a disgrace as our Prime Minister.

I saw this on Global News before I headed out, I believe they mentioned that the votes that were false werent enough to effect the outcome.

Man I just want to vote for the first time! I don't care if they get kicked out!

[QUOTE=The golden;40806325]Oh right. I forgot that you can laugh in the face of the rules and get busted for fraud and get away with it.[/QUOTE] Funny thing is: thats exactly whats happening. Nothing and noone is getting disciplined for this.

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/05/23/pol-federal-court-robocall-allegations.html]Here's the original article, and a much better source[/url] It's a shame nobody is going to get in trouble over this and that nothing will change.

why cant harper go, hes fucking incapable of his job

Conservative Party of Canada? Corruption? Who would have thought that? :v: Robocalls, bribes, missleading poorer voters, etc.

So because it didn't change the outcome they can get away with electoral fraud? Seriously?

[QUOTE=Joefrert;40807005]So because it didn't change the outcome they can get away with electoral fraud? Seriously?[/QUOTE] Well even if it did they probably would still get away with it.

OP you seriously need to remove the PressTV link entirely and change the thread. This is a "news" site that described the Robert Pickton case as a conspiracy by the Vancouver Police to commit Satanic rituals with the help of a serial killer and high ranking government officials

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40807108]OP you seriously need to remove the PressTV link entirely and change the thread. This is a "news" site that described the Robert Pickton case as a conspiracy by the Vancouver Police to commit Satanic rituals with the help of a serial killer and high ranking government officials[/QUOTE] I don't completely blame Iran for this, Harper kicked their embassy out for no reason.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40806374]Funny thing is: thats exactly whats happening. Nothing and noone is getting disciplined for this.[/QUOTE] We'll have to wait for our day at the ballot box next for that, it seems. [QUOTE=Joefrert;40807005]So because it didn't change the outcome they can get away with electoral fraud? Seriously?[/QUOTE] They could only prove that fraud had taken place in 6 ridings, and the Tory majority is greater than 6 seats. Thus a Tory majority would have happened regardless, and in that sense "did not change the outcome." I was kinda hoping for blood on this one too: what would have seemed reasonable to me was just by-elections in those 6 ridings, and leave the rest be. The real crime to me in all of this is that the Tories tried so bloody hard to cover it up. What I gather from the report (and the journalism covering it) is that "widespread fraud" was taking place locally within the Conservative Party riding associations (for example, Mr. Pierre Poutine in Guelph), without the influence of the central party. The party itself more widely only became involved in the cover-up once it all started coming out in public. From pg. 93-94: [quote][262] Despite the obvious public interest in getting to the bottom of the allegations, the CPC made little effort to assist with the investigation at the outset despite early requests. I note that counsel for the CPC was informed while the election was taking place that the calls about polling station changes were improper. While it was begrudgingly conceded during oral argument that what occurred was “absolutely outrageous”, the record indicates that the stance taken by the respondent MPs from the outset was to block these proceedings by any means.[/quote]

Stop rating this funny guys! This is no laughing matter!

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40807108]OP you seriously need to remove the PressTV link entirely and change the thread. This is a "news" site that described the Robert Pickton case as a conspiracy by the Vancouver Police to commit Satanic rituals with the help of a serial killer and high ranking government officials[/QUOTE] I see no reason why this particular article from them should be removed. It is on topic and does not make any extraordinary claims of satanism. The link shall stay, along with the other 3 links.

[QUOTE=The golden;40807352]And vote-splitting will get Harper another majority. And if he's threatened, his party will commit fraud.[/QUOTE] First Past the Post is the bigger problem, the globe and mail showed what Canada's house would look like under Alternative Vote. [URL="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/why-a-change-to-your-ballot-would-give-the-ndp-an-edge-next-election/article10454286/?page=all"]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/why-a-change-to-your-ballot-would-give-the-ndp-an-edge-next-election/article10454286/?page=all[/URL] Another problem is voter turn out, if all young people 18+ actually turned up to the polls the house would have a lot more green, red and orange in it then blue.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40804765]for all intensive purposes[/QUOTE] You did WHAT?