• Man who killed math teacher assaults a female prison guard after following her into bathroom
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[quote] A 15-year-old Massachusetts boy charged with killing his teacher last year faces new charges after an assault on a state youth services staffer. Prosecutors said Wednesday that Philip Chism has been indicted as a youthful offender on charges of attempted murder by strangulation, assault with intent to murder, kidnapping, and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. He could face adult penalties if convicted.[/quote] Good, that deserves adult punishment. [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2687801/Teen-accused-teacher-murder-charged-attack-female-prison-guard-carried-bathroom.html[/URL]
I wonder what he'll think of fighting the power once he tastes the legal and not so legal consequences of his act.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45355636]I wonder what he'll think of fighting the power once he tastes the legal and not so legal consequences of his act.[/QUOTE] I think it's less about fighting the power and more about the fact that this kid is fucking nuts
This is one of those kids who needs to be locked up and never be released. There's something fundamentally wrong in his mind, and at such a young age too. If this is how he acts now, at 15, I don't even want to think about what he'll do when he's 20+.
Jesus said we need to learn to forgive, there is still hope that he becomes a functional member of society...
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45356815]This is one of those kids who needs to be locked up and never be released. There's something fundamentally wrong in his mind, and at such a young age too. If this is how he acts now, at 15, I don't even want to think about what he'll do when he's 20+.[/QUOTE] How about we try to rehabilitate him and learn why he did it instead of locking him in the dungeon and throwing away the key, eh?
[QUOTE=Stopper;45356984]How about we try to rehabilitate him and learn why he did it instead of locking him in the dungeon and throwing away the key, eh?[/QUOTE] Preferable but unlikely, looking at the state of the institutions that would be involved in such a case. I'd love to live in a world with a working rehabilitation system but its cheaper to just contain the problem instead of solving it and not enough people give a shit about criminals. Sadly most people want to see them raped and killed as punishment and as long as the general mindset doesn't evolve above that of a lynch mob this whole thing will be going nowhere
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45357071]He'll just kill or rape whoever's dumb enough to try rehabilitating him.[/QUOTE] Then find out what is causing him to do that and try and fix him? He's clearly got a problem and a problem is an opportunity to fix it and possibly even prevent it happening to others in future. I'm not saying let him off the hook, keep him away from people he poses a threat to but at least try and find out why.
I really don't understand the whole rehabilitation circlejerk, some people don't deserve a second chance.
[QUOTE=Complifused;45357119]I really don't understand the whole rehabilitation circlejerk, some people don't deserve a second chance.[/QUOTE] because punitive justice is pointless and all it does is stoke the bloodlust of people who are emotionally-comprimised or irrational
[QUOTE=Complifused;45357119]I really don't understand the whole rehabilitation circlejerk, some people don't deserve a second chance.[/QUOTE] The idea is that it's better to solve problems than prevent them through fear and control.
[QUOTE=Complifused;45357119]I really don't understand the whole rehabilitation circlejerk, some people don't deserve a second chance.[/QUOTE] Locking people up, killing them or lopping off a hand are all archic concepts. It's primitive revenge, it doesn't undo the damage and doesn't take any steps towards fixing a problem. Imagine your boat is slowly letting in water. Locking people away is bailing the water out over and over. Fixing the cause of the crime iss blocking up the hole.
Some ships sink no matter how hard you try to fix it, and sometimes the people trying to help go down with it.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;45357237]Some ships sink no matter how hard you try to fix it, and sometimes the people trying to help go down with it.[/QUOTE] It's more useful to discover why the ship sank in the first place instead of just writing it off as being a really, really bad ship.
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[QUOTE=Complifused;45357119]I really don't understand the whole rehabilitation circlejerk, some people don't deserve a second chance.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and someone who has read for two minutes an article on him has no right to make that decision. The purpose of prison is meant to be rehabilitation, not punishment.
[QUOTE=Stopper;45356984]How about we try to rehabilitate him and learn why he did it instead of locking him in the dungeon and throwing away the key, eh?[/QUOTE] That would be great in some kind of magical world where things like that are always possible but if you're kidnapping, raping, then murdering people with a box cutter at the age of 15 you're probably beyond rehabilitation. The best thing you can really do is humanely keep them far away from everyone else
Yeah but there are some people who literally can't be helped. They're crazy in the head and want to kill people. This kid at 15 has killed one person and almost another. Lock him up.
[QUOTE=Elspin;45357699]That would be great in some kind of magical world where things like that are always possible but if you're kidnapping, raping, then murdering people with a box cutter at the age of 15 you're probably beyond rehabilitation. The best thing you can really do is humanely keep them far away from everyone else[/QUOTE] Can't say for sure if he is beyond help and in any case at least try and find out what influenced him Was he abused as a kid? Is part of his brain messed up? Was he on drugs? Then measures could be taken to stop it ever happening again instead of playing wack-a-mole with murderers.
I always here people talking about rehabilitation and making people into functioning people in society. It's a fantastic notion, and there are people out there that could be rehabilitated. However, there are some people that won't. There are some people that are beyond fixing, because these people do not wish to change. You could give them the world and they would go piss it away because unless that person wants to change you'll never get them to. At 15 years old I highly doubt the kid is looking to change any time soon, and something tells me regardless of whatever support options given to him in prison to better himself he will continue to be violent.
[QUOTE=Elspin;45357699]That would be great in some kind of magical world where things like that are always possible but if you're kidnapping, raping, then murdering people with a box cutter at the age of 15 you're probably beyond rehabilitation. The best thing you can really do is humanely keep them far away from everyone else[/QUOTE] Then learn why he did, and what we can do to prevent other from becoming like him.
[QUOTE=Stopper;45358636]Then learn why he did, and what we can do to prevent other from becoming like him.[/QUOTE] You can't really prevent psychological problems like that, they have symptoms but we can't possibly control people's lives enough to prevent thugs like this. Too many things factor in for it to be possible to control them all (or even the most important ones). Even with the symptoms in place, we can't say for sure which ones caused him to act this way
I think the point is that they psychoanalyze him and determine what went wrong and how that information can stop this from happening in the future, rather than just asking the crazy person why they're crazy, when they might not even consciously know.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;45358793]So imagine his response was simply "Because I felt like it" or "It felt good" or "I liked watching her suffer" or anything in between; What would you say to that then? People keep going on about this stuff but it's just a little too ideal for the imperfect world we happen to live in.[/QUOTE] only on the internet would someone think psychoanalysis is just asking someone why they did X or Y
[QUOTE=Complifused;45357119]I really don't understand the whole rehabilitation circlejerk, some people don't deserve a second chance.[/QUOTE] Who deserves to decide who deserves a second chance?
He was already being held for another crime, so at this point he should be on his best behavior so he'll get the lightest sentence possible. Then he tried to kill again. That tells me all I need to know. He either can't(cause he's crazy) or won't(cause he gives no fucks) stop his criminal behavior. Now, unless someone has a cure for crazy and last I heard there isn't one, the best we can do is lock him up permanently. If we could fix crazy then Charles Manson would have been let out long ago.
I can't imagine how much this kid hates maths.
[QUOTE=kidwithsword;45357355]It's more useful to discover why the ship sank in the first place instead of just writing it off as being a really, really bad ship.[/QUOTE] Except human psychology is infinitely more complex and dead-ended than a patchwork of metal welded together to float
Why all the hate about the prison. In my opionion the guy should be locked up in a dark dungeon and WHILE that is happening you should do your research on what went wrong. Because if you read the threadtitle, you will find that he already HAD his second chance. You cannot go on, dumping more and more chances onto a mad person, always giving them a wink like "C'mon, I know you're not evil. This time you'll do better", at least not after he already threw away his life a second or maybe a third time.
Some suggest we rehabilitate them, others suggest we just execute him. I offer a third way: we send him to an African village to live among the local indigenous peoples
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