• Windows 10 (x86) Running on a Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor
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[video=youtube;A_GlGglbu1U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U[/video]
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[QUOTE=AJ10017;51498259]theres no way they are running x86 on ARM without having an emulation layer, or the programs being compiled for ARM[/QUOTE] He mentions emulation when opening Photoshop
[QUOTE=AJ10017;51498259]theres no way they are running x86 on ARM without having an emulation layer, or the programs being compiled for ARM[/QUOTE] Did you even watch the video? he says right there that programs are emulated.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;51498282]Did you even watch the video? he says right there that programs are emulated.[/QUOTE] missed that part, my bad
This is potentially a pretty big deal, the line between PCs and smartphones is getting blurry
One step closer to the Surface Phone
Is it CPU level emulation or OS level?
[QUOTE=eirexe;51498324]Is it CPU level emulation or OS level?[/QUOTE] Must be OS level, it seems similar to back when Apple was transitioning from PPC to x86 and OS X had a feature (Rosetta) to run PPC apps on x86 Macs...
Was this funded by the Chinese government.
The emulation is great but watching this video was so annoying... "Here is a random fact about Win10 Enterprise! Buy it." "Hey look an internet browser also works. Look how great Baidu is." "Video is the [I]true test[/I]! Look at how this small 15s clip of SD Video [I]runs really smoothly[/I]. Buy it in our store" "Look how [I]perfectly[/I] PhotoShop can open a single image and apply a simple filter." "Look at this game where we show a single tank in a pretty static environment, it runs great, super smooth." As I said this emulation is really great but this video just stupid. It also very much tells nothing about actual performance when they showed things that do not require a lot of performance to begin with. That was probably not the point but it annoyed me anyways.
[QUOTE=Mitsuma;51498499]The emulation is great but watching this video was so annoying... "Here is a random fact about Win10 Enterprise! Buy it." "Hey look an internet browser also works. Look how great Baidu is." "Video is the [I]true test[/I]! Look at how this small 15s clip of SD Video [I]runs really smoothly[/I]. Buy it in our store" "Look how [I]perfectly[/I] PhotoShop can open a single image and apply a simple filter." "Look at this game where we show a single tank in a pretty static environment, it runs great, super smooth." As I said this emulation is really great but this video just stupid. It also very much tells nothing about actual performance when they showed things that do not require a lot of performance to begin with. That was probably not the point but it annoyed me anyways.[/QUOTE] It actually tells a lot about the performance. It's shit. The SD video WAS stuttering a little bit, and tbh that game was no test of performance. "Hey! It has 3D acceleration! It's so useful for office work where you have to multitask using lots of ram and cpu power!"
It's pretty obvious that it doesn't run amazing (though it's on an 820 1.6GHz), and I love how Microsoft always kinda likes to circle things like they can't find a purpose for the inking capabilities themselves, but I still find it pretty impressive.
[QUOTE=Amic;51498659]It actually tells a lot about the performance. It's shit. The SD video WAS stuttering a little bit, and tbh that game was no test of performance. "Hey! It has 3D acceleration! It's so useful for office work where you have to multitask using lots of ram and cpu power!"[/QUOTE] I was like :what: at that part "runs really smoothly" when it's really visibly stuttering
[QUOTE=gukki;51498770]I was like :what: at that part "runs really smoothly" when it's really visibly stuttering[/QUOTE] Maybe they dropped frames during screen capture? I got excited when he said "video is the true test" because I thought they'd show video editing, because that [I]is[/I] the true test of performance.
[QUOTE=Warship;51498880]Maybe they dropped frames during screen capture? I got excited when he said "video is the true test" because I thought they'd show video editing, because that [I]is[/I] the true test of performance.[/QUOTE] Nah, streaming video in Chrome is the true test.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51499007]Nah, streaming video in Chrome is the true test.[/QUOTE] 720p60 or 1080p30 at least
[QUOTE=Mitsuma;51498499]The emulation is great but watching this video was so annoying... "Here is a random fact about Win10 Enterprise! Buy it." "Hey look an internet browser also works. Look how great Baidu is." "Video is the [I]true test[/I]! Look at how this small 15s clip of SD Video [I]runs really smoothly[/I]. Buy it in our store" "Look how [I]perfectly[/I] PhotoShop can open a single image and apply a simple filter." "Look at this game where we show a single tank in a pretty static environment, it runs great, super smooth." As I said this emulation is really great but this video just stupid. It also very much tells nothing about actual performance when they showed things that do not require a lot of performance to begin with. That was probably not the point but it annoyed me anyways.[/QUOTE] The best part is, with the game it wasn't even a performance test. Since [url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.wargaming.wot.blitz]WOT Blitz[/url] is made to run on phones. If they ran anything that was actually made to run in Windows, then I'd be impressed. Also if they loaded a youtube video in chrome I'd really be amazed.
when I see x86 I expect 32 bit like all the other times MS uses to tell 32 and 64 bit apart.
[QUOTE=Ithon;51499065]when I see x86 I expect 32 bit like all the other times MS uses to tell 32 and 64 bit apart.[/QUOTE] Microsoft confirmed that the emulator is not able to run 64-bit applications even through the system itself is 64-bit.
It's a snapdragon, a SOC, amazing performance should not be expected.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51499305]It's a snapdragon, a SOC, amazing performance should not be expected.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the whole point is to run windows 10 and desktop apps on a phone, performance only has to be "good enough".
I guess it being Windows is something new, but running x86 on ARM certainly is not. It's just not fast, because ARM is not fast, and ARM is not x86. This isn't useful at all. It's stupid. What would be a better use of resources would be thin clients with a single (or multiple) servers running a/several virtual machine(s), for thin clients to log on to. Sharing a virtual machine shouldn't be a problem either. [editline]8th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Warship;51499321]Yeah, the whole point is to run windows 10 and desktop apps on a phone, performance only has to be "good enough".[/QUOTE] But it isn't "good enough". It's just "not completely shit". I would argue those are not the same. "Good enough" is when there's no stuttering, and things are going smoothly. Great is when things are running even better, and when there's a sure surplus of resources available during runtime.
[QUOTE=Warship;51498301]This is potentially a pretty big deal, the line between PCs and smartphones is getting blurry[/QUOTE] tbh all I've ever wanted was a tiny version of my own computer, synced to it [editline]8th December 2016[/editline] it'd be sick as shit to have chrome, discord, steam, etc on a tiny computer
I was really hyped to see Windows 8 running on ARM as WinRT, but turned out to be a huge disappointment due to executable lockdowns. Hopefully Microsoft can actually deliver a full OS this time
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;51499337]I was really hyped to see Windows 8 running on ARM as WinRT, but turned out to be a huge disappointment due to executable lockdowns. Hopefully Microsoft can actually deliver a full OS this time[/QUOTE] Windows store only, here we come!
"Runs really smoothly." as the thing is jumping and dropping frames
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;51498359]Was this funded by the Chinese government.[/QUOTE] the conference this was announced at took place in china
[QUOTE=Cmx;51499593]"Runs really smoothly." as the thing is jumping and dropping frames[/QUOTE] Not sure its done yet. Also, frames might have been dropped on capture.
[QUOTE=Warship;51498880]Maybe they dropped frames during screen capture? I got excited when he said "video is the true test" because I thought they'd show video editing, because that [I]is[/I] the true test of performance.[/QUOTE] [I]Maybe.[/I] It's a promotional video though and they can do as many takes as they feel like doing. This was like "fuck it, we do it live" tier of janky.
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