[quote]According to reports, the leadership of Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIS) has ordered all families around Iraq’s northern city of Mosul to circumcise their women.
The order was reportedly given by leader of the e self-declared Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the United Nations warned Thursday.
UN resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva through a video from Irbil that the fatwa would potentially affect four million women and girls.[/quote]
[url]http://www.khaama.com/isis-orders-circumcision-of-4-million-women-and-girls-in-mosul-6471[/url]
It's almost impressive just how awful these people are.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;45485695]It's almost impressive just how awful these people are.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Every time you're like "Yep, these are the worst", they do something new. And when the Russian separatists steal the title of 'the worst' by killing three hundred aids-researching kids, ISIS pulls this crap a week later. Stubborn bunch; not the ones to be outdone, let's give them that.
At this point, they're just looking at ways to inflict pain and torture unto people rather then follow their "beliefs" or whatever.
I'm happy I had the opportunity to be born nowhere near the middle east.
The combined power of NATO (heavy emphasis on turkey since muslim soldiers won't be seen as invaders so much), Russia, Iran and Iraq could stop these guys in their tracks. What is stopping us from working together?
Also is this confirmed? I honestly have trouble imagining anybody being so evil.
I don't understand the logic behind religious circumcision. If god wanted vaginas and dicks to look a certain way, why didn't he just make them look like that in the first place?
Fuck people who mutilate women like that, it's fucking disgusting
They do something worse every week, it's really surprising me
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;45485728]I don't understand the logic behind religious circumcision. If god wanted vaginas and dicks to look a certain way, why didn't he just make them look like that in the first place?
Fuck people who mutilate women like that, it's fucking disgusting[/QUOTE]
They cut off the clitoris so the women don't enjoy sex as much. Apparently it makes them more faithful. It's an abhorrent practice.
Thats 1 reason its more apt to call it FGM rather than circumcision, since male circumcision is mostly harmless. Liken to to cutting off ur bell end, because otherwise you could cheat on your wife.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45485740]They cut off the clitoris so the women don't enjoy sex as much. Apparently it makes them more faithful. It's an abhorrent practice.
Thats 1 reason its more apt to call it FGM rather than circumcision, since male circumcision is mostly harmless. Liken to to cutting off ur bell end, because otherwise you could cheat on your wife.[/QUOTE]
Well by all definitions of the word, male circumcision is still mutilation. Male circumcision also make sex less enjoyable through decreasing the sensitivity of the glans.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45485740]Thats 1 reason its more apt to call it FGM rather than circumcision, since male circumcision is mostly harmless.[/QUOTE]
They both should be labelled as genital mutilation, regardless of which one causes the least harm
These guys are absolute monsters. We need to knock them out before they become a serious threat.
This is insane. Absolutely insane. This Baghdadi guy might be the next Hitler.
[QUOTE=Noss;45485773]Well by all definitions of the word, male circumcision is still mutilation. Male circumcision also make sex less enjoyable through decreasing the sensitivity of the glans.[/QUOTE]
here we go
[QUOTE=Noss;45485773]Well by all definitions of the word, male circumcision is still mutilation. Male circumcision also make sex less enjoyable through decreasing the sensitivity of the glans.[/QUOTE]
Ok yes. It is mutilation.
Lets talk about ISIS some more.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;45485728]I don't understand the logic behind religious circumcision. If god wanted vaginas and dicks to look a certain way, why didn't he just make them look like that in the first place?
Fuck people who mutilate women like that, it's fucking disgusting[/QUOTE]
Why would he design them so poorly moreover? The foreskin in men for instance is an incubation chamber practically for bacteria; that's one explanation of why ancient cultures practiced it (health reasons, I mean). It at least made sense for them to do so in an age when infections killed people left and right.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45485781]here we go[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm not trying to start an argument about the ethics of male circumcision, was just clarifying something to the previous poster.
please don't start a discussion about circumcision guys
They need to take a lesson out of Indias books and start handing out knives then when these idiots come around they get their throats slit.
[QUOTE=markg06;45485800]They need to take a lesson out of Indias books and start handing out knives then when these idiots come around they get their throats slit.[/QUOTE]
Then their entire family gets shot.
[QUOTE=Govna;45485792]Why would he design them so poorly moreover? The foreskin in men for instance is an incubation chamber practically for bacteria; that's one explanation of why ancient cultures practiced it (health reasons, I mean). It at least made sense for them to do so in an age when infections killed people left and right.[/QUOTE]
You probably lost more people to the infection from an improperly heeled wound from cutting it off, than saved by cutting it away.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45485740]They cut off the clitoris so the women don't enjoy sex as much. Apparently it makes them more faithful. It's an abhorrent practice.
Thats 1 reason its more apt to call it FGM rather than circumcision, since male circumcision is mostly harmless. Liken to to cutting off ur bell end, because otherwise you could cheat on your wife.[/QUOTE]
Depending on where FGM is practiced there may be more or less removed. As little as just the clitoris can be removed or as much as the removal of everything around the vagina. It can get really bad and more often than not there are almost always problems with infertility, cysts, or urination problems. The sad part is that many women were this is commonly practiced actually want this done. The reason being is since it is the cultural norm many women think they won't be able to find a husband without it done.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45485807]Then their entire family gets shot.[/QUOTE]
With the way ISIS is chances are they'll get shot sooner or later.
These guys sure are trying to become the most evil evil since Nazis.
It's only a matter of time before everybody that stood by and allowed them to expel al-Malaki's government turns on them. They're just too radical to survive.
It's gonna be really pathetic if these guys succeed in forming a caliphate and our
Governments start bitching about how it could've been prevented.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;45485816]You probably lost more people to the infection from an improperly heeled wound from cutting it off, than saved by cutting it away.[/QUOTE]
Not likely, certainly not for the Ancient Egyptians anyway. They were advanced enough in medicine to have topical anaseptic ointments to prevent it. There's actually a relief in Saqqara I think that shows a surgeon giving one of his circumcised patients ointment for this purpose and explaining to the guy what it does.
[url]http://www.bible-archaeology.info/Family0010.JPG[/url]
People have been performing circumcisions since the Neolithic age. It's one of the oldest medical procedures out there. If it really was killing more people than it was saving in ancient history, I'd imagine that they'd stop.
But I digress. That's not what the thread is about.
Why are we not intervening already in this clusterfuck of legendary proportions?
this was fake
[url]http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/no-the-islamic-state-has-not-ordered-all-women-to-undergo-fgm--lyuebSA6Wl[/url]
[url]https://twitter.com/LeilaFadel/status/492308308422709248[/url]
[url]http://justpaste.it/fatwa_debunked[/url]
cant believe many news org published this without verifying the information on the ground.
So they AREN'T planning this? Well, hopefully they aren't, though I probably wouldn't put it past these madmen to pull this crap in the future.
[QUOTE=Govna;45485912]
Why are we not intervening already in this clusterfuck of legendary proportions?[/QUOTE]
Going back in would be admitting it was a mistake to leave
Going back in would lead to more troops dying
Going back in would be unpopular. Lots of people think "were not the world police"
Going back in would be expensive
Going back in might not solve the root of the issue
Both gulf wars helped strengthen radical islamism as the western, mostly christian troops, were seen as an incursion or invasion. Osama Bin laden himself said that the first gulf war helped strengthen Al Qaeda hugely. Going back in would "cut the grass" but it would grow back. And the ruins and deaths caused would only spawn more resentment.
Honestly I think the best way is to genuinly improve the region. Better communication, high tech equipment, industry owned by the people with profits going to the country. This would require huge trust in the people, army and the governments and huge investment which they might not see a return on in decades.
It is expensive to fix a country and help them to sustain themselves.
Another thing is trust in moderate muslims. It has been clear from the beginning that Muslim states don't like non-muslim interventions and leaders. The west needs to get a Muslim country to oversee the process, ideally a moderate one which won't go apeshit with religious police, executions and sharia law.
What the west left behind in Iraq was little better than what they had before. Foreign companies taking lots of money, broken roads, lists of dead, militia torture gangs, poor infrastructure.
You give them what we have, that is good drains, good farms, tvs, communication, internet, good roads, vehicles, training and equipment to repair that stuff, healthcare, medical helicopters (necessary since the country is so large and sparsely populated) and facilities to maintain and produce the drugs they need I honestly think it would make a vast improvement. They would feel respected and wouldn't feel jealous, they would feel like equals and have less need to resort to islamofacism and tribal feudalism. Respect and trust are vital and neither exist currently.
2 posts above claims the op stuff was fake. Time to go home
circumcision is fucking retarded
[QUOTE=Nif90;45486016]this was fake
[url]http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/no-the-islamic-state-has-not-ordered-all-women-to-undergo-fgm--lyuebSA6Wl[/url]
[url]https://twitter.com/LeilaFadel/status/492308308422709248[/url]
[url]http://justpaste.it/fatwa_debunked[/url]
cant believe many news org published this without verifying the information on the ground.[/QUOTE]
Its the echo chamber problem, one or two reputable media outlets post it and the rest will echo it because surely Reuters fact check riiiight.
Adding information to prove this is fake.
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[url]http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/24/3463683/no-isis-isnt-ordering-female-genital-mutilation-in-iraq/[/url]
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