• Marice Le Pen hopes to be elected president of France after success of Brexit and Trump
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[URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/marine-le-pen-marr-french-president-brexit-trump-marr-us-elections-a7414686.html"]Article from the Independent[/URL] [QUOTE]French far-right leader Marine Le Pen has declared that after Brexit and Donald Trump, her victory in French elections is the next step in the political wave sweeping the globe. The leader of the French National Front said Mr Trump’s shock victory in the United States has shown the impossible could be possible. It comes after the leader’s niece, Marion Marechal-Le Pen, also a prominent figure in the party, said she was prepared to work with Mr Trump’s campaign chief after he labelled her a “rising star”. National Front leader Marine Le Pen has led a number of polls ahead of next spring’s French presidential election.[/QUOTE]
Please no
She and her father are one of the few people I might actually describe as evil.
People better not make the same mistake in France. We are going back in time, it's a disgrace.
ONE OF US, ONE OF US, ONE OF US! But seriously, don't make the same fucking mistake we made.
for me personally this is the absolute most disturbing trend [img]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/11/10/world/10RUSSIA-3/10RUSSIA-3-master768.jpg[/img] I mean seriously, this is just in a pub in moscow, but if you're no fan of "globalism" have a good long think about this
[QUOTE=Nanamil;51363980]People better not make the same mistake in France. We are going back in time, it's a disgrace.[/QUOTE] Going back in time in your opinion. These people believe they are moving forward, in some cases they are the majority.
Maybe "liberal" people in Europe should take outcome of US election as a warning for what is to come if they keep up with labeling shit and refusal of tackling the problems? I think the Europe's current biggest problem is immigration, and that that problem might boost right wing parties all over the Europe (not like it isn't already).
Didn't her father say that chemical and biological weapons should be tested in slums, or am I thinking of someone else entirely?
fascism is taking the world by storm
[QUOTE=Judas;51364063]fascism is taking the world by storm[/QUOTE] It isn't 'fascism' and the fact that people are only able to compare these events historically to either the Nazis or Harry Potter shows our cultural decline The entire point of Marine le Pen is that she has taken her party away from an actually much more fascistic past when FN was under Marie le Pen and towards a more generalised right-wing populism which blends anti-immigration sentiments and white identity politics with left-wing economic policy. This is scary, but it isn't 'fascism'.
[QUOTE=Jame's;51364037]Going back in time in your opinion. These people believe they are moving forward, in some cases they are the majority.[/QUOTE] It's not just his opinion that the NF hold reactionary views and are pretty fucking evil. Also the people can be wrong, gravely wrong even, unless you've forgotten that Hitler and Mussolini both had massive support from the "people", much like the modern far right throughout Europe do currently. Populism is cancer.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51364070]It isn't 'fascism' and the fact that people are only able to compare these events historically to either the Nazis or Harry Potter shows our cultural decline The entire point of Marine le Pen is that she has taken her party away from an actually much more fascistic past when FN was under Marie le Pen and towards a more generalised right-wing populism which blends anti-immigration sentiments and white identity politics with left-wing economic policy. This is scary, but it isn't 'fascism'.[/QUOTE] calling it white supremacy in the same breath as you say it isn't fascist
[QUOTE=yff;51364049]Maybe "liberal" people in Europe should take outcome of US election as a warning for what is to come if they keep up with labeling shit and refusal of tackling the problems? I think the Europe's current biggest problem is immigration, and that that problem might boost right wing parties all over the Europe (not like it isn't already).[/QUOTE] The biggest problem in Europe is immigration? Not the fact that we are all drowning in debt and have moribund economies with no growth? [editline]13th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=bitches;51364088]calling it white supremacy in the same breath as you say it isn't fascist[/QUOTE] It isn't white supremacy. It is more a white victimhood politics. This is the whole point. A FN led France isn't going to start invading the neighbours to prove that the Frenchman is racially superior, are they?
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51364090]The biggest problem in Europe is immigration? Not the fact that we are all drowning in debt and have moribund economies with no growth? [/QUOTE] You're free to ask people around and see what bothers them more.
[QUOTE=yff;51364095]You're free to ask people around and see what bothers them more.[/QUOTE] Again, in many cases the people aren't educated enough to see the real issues in the world.
[QUOTE=yff;51364095]You're free to ask people around and see what bothers them more.[/QUOTE] You may or may not be correct that people think that immigration is the biggest problem (I would say that economics still probably trumps it but it would be close), but what people think is the biggest problem isn't necessarily actually the biggest problem. [editline]13th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;51364032]for me personally this is the absolute most disturbing trend I mean seriously, this is just in a pub in moscow, but if you're no fan of "globalism" have a good long think about this[/QUOTE] The irony is that people against 'globalism' seem to see themselves as part of a global movement of reaction.
Also many moderate right wing parties like the Tories already have policies where they state they'll reduce immigration, so stop acting like only the far right think mass immigration is a problem.
so what exactly is the problem people have with globalism? i'd rather see the planet united as one rather than retreating into their shitty little caves
But who else have a chance to win against her? Hollande and Sarkozy are terrible alternatives candidates.
[QUOTE=Chaitin;51364124]But who else have a chance to win against her? Hollande and Sarkozy are terrible alternatives candidates.[/QUOTE] Juppe will probably (60% in betting markets iirc) win
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51364032]for me personally this is the absolute most disturbing trend [img]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/11/10/world/10RUSSIA-3/10RUSSIA-3-master768.jpg[/img] I mean seriously, this is just in a pub in moscow, but if you're no fan of "globalism" have a good long think about this[/QUOTE] Trump looks like He-man or something :v:
[QUOTE=Saturn V;51364122]so what exactly is the problem people have with globalism? i'd rather see the planet united as one rather than retreating into their shitty little caves[/QUOTE] but our freedom :downs:
[QUOTE=AntonioR;51364130]Trump looks like He-man or something :v:[/QUOTE] The painting is very kind to Trump. I'll say that much lol.
[QUOTE=yff;51364049]Maybe "liberal" people in Europe should take outcome of US election as a warning for what is to come if they keep up with labeling shit and [B]refusal of tackling the problems?[/b] I think the Europe's current biggest problem is immigration, and that that problem might boost right wing parties all over the Europe (not like it isn't already).[/QUOTE] When will people stop saying this bullshit? At least here in Denmark, immigration has been the most consistently debated issue for the last 15 years, and the policies have only gone one way - they've become harsher. Regarding the EU, we've basically been debating nothing but. Personally I think this is the biggest sign that the right won't be satiated before the rest of the country commits to its every whim. Compromise apparently isn't good enough, we have to do everything or else we've apparently done nothing. Edit: Also it'd be downright scary to have a French president with such obvious ties to the Kremlin.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51364154]Start from the phobia before the death of the national identity, go all the way to race-mixing and American imperialism and "social engineering" People have very wide and various concerns about it[/QUOTE] it's cool, now they'll get putin's globalism instead of america's globalism
Internet: Brexit is the worst thing the west has democratically done The United States: Hold my beer Internet: Trump is the worst thing the west has democratically done France: Hold my baguette
I just hope the French don't elect her, that'd be a bloody disaster for Europe. Which is why, she'll obviously be elected.
I read somewhere that Brexit would trigger other countries to leave the EU as well, and now the US elections will probably trigger "the silent majority" to elect delusional leaders in their country. I'd like to see where the world is in 20 years from now.
[QUOTE=war_man333;51364216]I read somewhere that Brexit would trigger other countries to leave the EU as well, and now the US elections will probably trigger "the silent majority" to elect delusional leaders in their country. I'd like to see where the world is in 20 years from now.[/QUOTE] I think the hope is that these countries don't do it quickly enough to see the effects it has in those that have buuut, even then. Nationalist tantrums don't really do the whole "logic" thing
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