• French Legislative elections & results
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source : [url]http://www.parisguardian.com/news/253547992/french-vote-in-legislative-poll[/url] [QUOTE]Paris - French voters go to the polls on Sunday in the first round of legislative elections with newly elected President Emmanuel Macron keen to win a strong parliamentary majority to push through reforms. Tackle reform The media-savvy Macron is hoping to use the momentum from his presidential victory over seriously weakened traditional right and leftwing parties to build a large majority in parliament. With half of Republique En Marche candidates coming from civil society, he hopes notably to tackle reform of the traditionally thorny issue of labour law. If he fails to win an absolute majority - 289 out of 577 seats - it would complicate his job as president as he would have to build a coalition with right and left. The far-right National Front of his defeated presidential rival Marine Le Pen and the radical left will both be seeking to capitalise on the move away from established parties.[/QUOTE] Here's a map of all those seats [T]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Circonscriptions_l%C3%A9gislatives_fran%C3%A7aises_depuis_2012.svg/550px-Circonscriptions_l%C3%A9gislatives_fran%C3%A7aises_depuis_2012.svg.png[/T] Turn out lower than bedrock in my constituency so far. Val d'Oise 1st had the highest abstention rate in Île-de-France, and was a tight race between Mélenchon and Macron. That would be top left of the "grande couronne" on the map. [QUOTE]19.24% nationwide turnout by noon[/QUOTE] source (french) : [url]http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-legislatives-2017/article/2017/06/11/elections-legislatives-2017-la-participation-a-19-24-a-midi_5142228_5076653.html[/url] Regional and legislative elections only generally manage to mobilize the most militant of citizens. Now might be time to put the final nail in Les Républicains & the Socialist party. Results coming in at 8PM GMT
Personally took me a pretty long time to decide who to vote for. All parties have shitty aspects when you think about it.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52340528]Personally took me a pretty long time to decide who to vote for. All parties have shitty aspects when you think about it.[/QUOTE] what circonscription are you in? Mine has plackards stretching over whole streets, what with the 19 candidates. I guess trying to come up with an exhaustive list of candidates and parties would be a sweat since all of France votes today and so few might end up being relevant.
[QUOTE=Scarabix;52340560]what circonscription are you in? Mine has plackards stretching over whole streets, what with the 19 candidates. I guess trying to come up with an exhaustive list of candidates and parties would be a sweat since all of France votes today and so few might end up being relevant.[/QUOTE] 7th, Haute-Garonne.
I wanted to vote for France Insoumise, but they completely divided my circonscription. Also, I went to the meetings of FI, who was preaching the choir, and the Divers Gauche who where actually talking battle plans. And the candidate felt way more experienced, too. You listen to them, they all want unity, but it's the other's fault. So much pettiness from the party's leaders, it sickens me. But in the end it won't matter, since without unity, they both won't stand a chance anyway in my right leaning circonscription.
[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52340647]I wanted to vote for France Insoumise, but they completely divided my circonscription. Also, I went to the meetings of FI, who was preaching the choir, and the Divers Gauche who where actually talking battle plans. And the candidate felt way more experienced, too. You listen to them, they all want unity, but it's the other's fault. So much pettiness from the party's leaders, it sickens me. But in the end it won't matter, since without unity, they both won't stand a chance anyway in my right leaning circonscription.[/QUOTE] I just find the concept of voting by circonscriptions absurd when it comes to legislative elections. It's not for local représentation like the cantonales or municipales, candidates don't even have to live in the circonscriptions they are running in. Legislative elections should simply be proportional.
What's the large gap in the top middle of the map?
[QUOTE=Occlusion;52340722]What's the large gap in the top middle of the map?[/QUOTE] Grande Couronne, Petite Couronne, Paris.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;52340722]What's the large gap in the top middle of the map?[/QUOTE] There's so many little circonscriptions around Paris that on electoral maps they just show theses places as separate maps.
Polling closes in a minute. [editline]11th June 2017[/editline][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCDw8HZWsAEhxz4.jpg:large[/IMG] ewwwwww someone did a big stink Less than 50% turnout in turn one of two. How anyone can consider this shitshow "fair representation" is beyond me
:vomit: I'll never understand why people don't go out and fucking vote. It takes 5min and it's a bright sunny day too. No right to complain when they'll loose their worker's right.
I just read that Macron's party will take 400 of 577 seats. Wouldn't that basically make France into a one party state?
[QUOTE=RB33;52342973]I just read that Macron's party will take 400 of 577 seats. Wouldn't that basically make France into a one party state?[/QUOTE] Yep, because french media see Macron as a Jesus reborn because we won against Le Pen. Which isn't that big a feat in France. Things are going to get really fucking bad for a lot of workers, and they're happily accepting their demise.
Isn't Macron centrist? It can't be that bad
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;52343038]Isn't Macron centrist? It can't be that bad[/QUOTE] Even centrists can be bad if given unlimited power.
[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52343019]Yep, because french media see Macron as a Jesus reborn because we won against Le Pen. Which isn't that big a feat in France. Things are going to get really fucking bad for a lot of workers, and they're happily accepting their demise.[/QUOTE] I dunno man Macron sounds much better than losing your job (or being unable to find it in the first place) because of Jean-Luc "debt doesnt real" Mélenchon or the fascist getting in.
[QUOTE=RB33;52343131]Even centrists can be bad if given unlimited power.[/QUOTE] Yea, give that power too long. They will make them corrupted and betrayed their followers and voters overtime.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52343340]I dunno man Macron sounds much better than losing your job (or being unable to find it in the first place) because of Jean-Luc "debt doesnt real" Mélenchon or the fascist getting in.[/QUOTE] Doesn't Macron want to immediately sack a whole tonne of civil servants though
[QUOTE=killerteacup;52343974]Doesn't Macron want to immediately sack a whole tonne of civil servants though[/QUOTE] Yep. That's not inherently good or bad either though. It depends on what gets cut.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52344277]Yep. That's not inherently good or bad either though. It depends on what gets cut.[/QUOTE] Well in the terms of the economy it's bad, if those people had jobs the minute they left it would be ok, but cutting such a massive number can really hurt your economy especially since those people aren't buying goods or services as they normally would. It will hurt local business.
[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52343019]Yep, because french media see Macron as a Jesus reborn because we won against Le Pen. Which isn't that big a feat in France. Things are going to get really fucking bad for a lot of workers, and they're happily accepting their demise.[/QUOTE] They're not happily accepting their demise they just don't have anyone to vote for. All of the candidates are either overstepping each other in a race to see who can blow the 1% the hardest or have their heads so far up their ass that they could not see pure ideology if it bit them in the eye. At any rate I think it's a bit rich to blame workers for the votes of 15 million headless chickens who jumped onto the majority bandwagon. Join them on the street for round three.
This is a really humiliating election for the PS. Shame LR didn't get it as bad.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52345633]This is a really humiliating election for the PS. Shame LR didn't get it as bad.[/QUOTE] Here's hoping Manuel Valls bites the dust on turn two facing FI on Sunday. All I've ever wanted is for this clown to be thrown in the shitter and now it looks like he'll just get away with it too. Remind me why we're badmouthing welfare applicants when you have actual assistees such as Valls in the public eye?
[QUOTE=Scarabix;52345305]They're not happily accepting their demise they just don't have anyone to vote for. All of the candidates are either overstepping each other in a race to see who can blow the 1% the hardest or have their heads so far up their ass that they could not see pure ideology if it bit them in the eye. At any rate I think it's a bit rich to blame workers for the votes of 15 million headless chickens who jumped onto the majority bandwagon. Join them on the street for round three.[/QUOTE] Yeah I guess you're right. It's just so dumb that nobody is properly educated on the legislatives power, and that they are right after the presidential election, so you don't even have time to know if Macron will be good or bad.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52344520]Well in the terms of the economy it's bad, if those people had jobs the minute they left it would be ok, but cutting such a massive number can really hurt your economy especially since those people aren't buying goods or services as they normally would. It will hurt local business.[/QUOTE] That'll hurt demand initially (tho there isnt an indication that france has a demand problem) but it's also pretty fucking expensive and that money can go towards other things that'll benefit the economy in the long run such as tax cuts and lightening regulations. There's quite a few reasons that the youth unemployment is really bad for France and the main ones would most probably be just how rigid the labour market is with French workers having some of the most powerful protections and unions in the developed world and how otherwise unfriendly the company can be for doing business in. The latter of which in particular may be ameliorated along with making a smaller government, although it does depend on what he's cutting and how much actually gets cut in which we don't know IIRC.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52346435]That'll hurt demand initially (tho there isnt an indication that france has a demand problem) but it's also pretty fucking expensive and that money can go towards other things that'll benefit the economy in the long run such as tax cuts and lightening regulations. There's quite a few reasons that the youth unemployment is really bad for France and the main ones would most probably be just how rigid the labour market is with French workers having some of the most powerful protections and unions in the developed world and how otherwise unfriendly the company can be for doing business in. The latter of which in particular may be ameliorated along with making a smaller government, although it does depend on what he's cutting and how much actually gets cut in which we don't know IIRC.[/QUOTE] So you see dismantling "some of the most powerful protections and unions in the developed world" as a good thing? "But unemployment..." isn't a valid point to me in and of itself. We could get rid of minimum wage and see unemployment get reduced to nothingness, that doesn't mean it would be a good thing to do.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52346470]So you see dismantling "some of the most powerful protections and unions in the developed world" as a good thing? "But unemployment..." isn't a valid point to me in and of itself. We could get rid of minimum wage and see unemployment get reduced to nothingness, that doesn't mean it would be a good thing to do.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it depends obviously. But workers protections and union rights ALSO aren't inherently good either. I do believe in well regulated firms and unions but that doesn't mean every policy/union is a win.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52346470]So you see dismantling "some of the most powerful protections and unions in the developed world" as a good thing? "But unemployment..." isn't a valid point to me in and of itself. We could get rid of minimum wage and see unemployment get reduced to nothingness, that doesn't mean it would be a good thing to do.[/QUOTE] There has to be a balance. Excessive regulations are inimical to businesses. Like it or not, businesses form the backbone of the economy and throttling them will kill it. Whether or not the current regulations are excessive isn't for me to comment on since I don't know enough about the situation but they're not automatically a good thing, and more isn't always better.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52346482]Yeah, it depends obviously. But workers protections and union rights ALSO aren't inherently good either. I do believe in well regulated firms and unions but that doesn't mean every policy/union is a win.[/QUOTE] Seeing as the current government wants to keep going in the direction the previous one took concerning labour, I doubt it's going to lead to constructive reforms. [editline]12th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;52346493]There has to be a balance. Excessive regulations are inimical to businesses. Like it or not, businesses form the backbone of the economy and throttling them will kill it. Whether or not the current regulations are excessive isn't for me to comment on since I don't know enough about the situation but they're not automatically a good thing, and more isn't always better.[/QUOTE] Current regulations aren't anywhere close to killing companies' profit margins. They do make them less competitive than abroad where worker's rights are weaker, but that doesn't mean we should take part in a race to the bottom to compete with neoliberal countries.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52345633]This is a really humiliating election for the PS. Shame LR didn't get it as bad.[/QUOTE] spotted the leftie
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