How is it "edgy"? The pieces of that flag didn't belong to them. It was the right of the protesters to burn that flag.
flag worship is silly
So sad that there are people lucky enough to live in a country where they can act like complete idiots in front of authorities and burn their own nation's flag, call out names, tell others that their beliefs mean nothing, and act like they're heroes for the people, when most of them likely have family members that [i]actually[/i] served for our well-being and fought for something they believed in to allow these people to cry over literally anything they want.
Fuck Z and fuck those protesters.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;46624933]So sad that there are people lucky enough to live in a country where they can act like complete idiots in front of authorities and burn their own nation's flag, call out names, tell others that their beliefs mean nothing, and act like their heroes for the people, when most of them likely have family members that [i]actually[/i] served for our well-being and fought for something they believed in to allow these people to cry over literally anything they want.
Fuck Z and fuck those protesters.[/QUOTE]
it's sad that we live in a country where we can speak our minds and not have to be eternally grateful servants to our government? buddy, you're burning the american flag inside my heart
[QUOTE=Robman8908;46624933]So sad that there are people lucky enough to live in a country where they can act like complete idiots in front of authorities and burn their own nation's flag, call out names, tell others that their beliefs mean nothing, and act like they're heroes for the people, when most of them likely have family members that [i]actually[/i] served for our well-being and [b]fought for something they believed in to allow these people to cry over literally anything they want[/b].
Fuck Z and fuck those protesters.[/QUOTE]
Yeah so what's the problem?
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46624931]flag worship is silly[/QUOTE]
It's simply a symbolic gesture of respect in response to a symbolic gesture of disrespect, I don't really see the issue with that.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;46624933]So sad that there are people lucky enough to live in a country where they can act like complete idiots in front of authorities and burn their own nation's flag, call out names, tell others that their beliefs mean nothing, and act like they're heroes for the people, when most of them likely have family members that [i]actually[/i] served for our well-being and [B]fought for something they believed in to allow these people to cry over literally anything they want.[/B]
Fuck Z and fuck those protesters.[/QUOTE]
They actually literally fought because they believed that people are allowed to cry over literally anything they want.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;46625034]It's simply a symbolic gesture of respect in response to a symbolic gesture of disrespect, I don't really see the issue with that.[/QUOTE]
There's no issue. I just think it's weird. Heavy state symbology is usually for dictatorships.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;46625187]I might be wrong, but what I understand is most Americans believe in freedom. Sure people fight for other reasons as that, but that's the one thing that really seems to "stick out" so to speak.
It's way more disrespectful to not respect freedom than it is to burn the flag, they're still free to do it even if it's disrespectful to a lot of people.[/QUOTE]
I enlisted like the rest of my family before me out of both tradition and believing that I should be there, ready to serve to protect the freedom that our country enjoys as there are many people in the world who are unable to enjoy what most of our people take for granted. I'm not stupid, I don't see any point to the conflicts that we're currently involved in (except maybe for our current so-called action against ISIS), but I believe that even if it offends me, for somebody to talk down to me because I chose to serve, that they should be allowed to, that anybody should be allowed to speak their mind freely. To disrespect that freedom of speech is a great dishonor to me personally.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;46624933]So sad that there are people lucky enough to live in a country where they can act like complete idiots in front of authorities and burn their own nation's flag, call out names, tell others that their beliefs mean nothing, and act like they're heroes for the people, when most of them likely have family members that [i]actually[/i] [B]served for our well-being[/B] and fought for something they believed in to allow these people to cry over literally anything they want.
Fuck Z and fuck those protesters.[/QUOTE]
If you're implying that soldiers abroad are fighting to protect our rights at home, then I staunchly disagree with you. The wars we are and have been fighting have nothing to do with protecting our personal freedoms. It's about establishing geopolitical influence elsewhere in the world.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;46625844]If you're implying that soldiers abroad are fighting to protect our rights at home, then I staunchly disagree with you. The wars we are and have been fighting have nothing to do with protecting our personal freedoms. It's about establishing geopolitical influence elsewhere in the world.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, enlisting in the military is admirable for the great discipline and training that you get from it, but let's not pretend that they're singlehandedly saving our freedoms. America has a serious fetish for our armed forces, I don't exactly see why it's expected of me to personally support and thank our troops overseas for their service considering a lot of it is stabilizing the surrounding area. Sure, they're still doing good work out there and helping people, but people who volunteer during times of disasters do that too, and they don't get the insane amount of recognition that our soldiers do
They have every right to burn whatever flag they want, and I respect that. That being said, I'm not going to respect them for their childish "act of protest."
I don't think that him saying "it's not your flag" is edgy
but him saying "it's a piece of cloth is"
It IS a piece of cloth, but the guardsman saying "it means something to us" then he just continues and says "it's just a piece of cloth" again, dismissing the fact that it was their own beliefs, is pretty damn edgy
like whoa bro wow sure told them
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[QUOTE=Ericson666;46625975]Yeah, enlisting in the military is admirable for the great discipline and training that you get from it, but let's not pretend that they're singlehandedly saving our freedoms. America has a serious fetish for our armed forces, I don't exactly see why it's expected of me to personally support and thank our troops overseas for their service considering a lot of it is stabilizing the surrounding area. Sure, they're still doing good work out there and helping people, but people who volunteer during times of disasters do that too, and they don't get the insane amount of recognition that our soldiers do[/QUOTE]
they do fight for our beliefs though, and it's respectable because they are the nations "hands" essentially and the nation is the people(or at least it's supposed to be anyways)
we as a nation did believe that they should be oversea's, in the way that we've voted and so thus they are
if there was enough public disagreement against sending troops then they would still be here
the only reason the government can use our troops however they want now is because all of our citizens are lazy and don't care enough
Muh army, muh dead soldiers, muh flag worship. Nationalism still alive in the greatest country of the world.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;46626170]I don't think that him saying "it's not your flag" is edgy
but him saying "it's a piece of cloth is"
It IS a piece of cloth, but the guardsman saying "it means something to us" then he just continues and says "it's just a piece of cloth" again, dismissing the fact that it was their own beliefs, is pretty damn edgy
like whoa bro wow sure told them[/QUOTE]
it's not really edgy, it's just stupid
you wouldn't be specifically burning the flag if it was just a piece of cloth, mate.
I burned the flag years ago when a law was proposed to ban flag burning.
Am I the only one who finds it very weird and...for the lack of a better word, brain washy, that they have to recover a flag as if it's a dead soldier?
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;46626170]I don't think that him saying "it's not your flag" is edgy
but him saying "it's a piece of cloth is"
It IS a piece of cloth, but the guardsman saying "it means something to us" then he just continues and says "it's just a piece of cloth" again, dismissing the fact that it was their own beliefs, is pretty damn edgy
like whoa bro wow sure told them
[/QUOTE]
I wonder how they'd react if you asked them to rip their clothes off because those are just pieces of cloth.
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;46630912]Am I the only one who finds it very weird and...for the lack of a better word, brain washy, that they have to recover a flag as if it's a dead soldier?[/QUOTE]
Like many flags it is a symbol. Not everyone has to believe in it, but for the people that do it is very serious. For the military a flag is important, there is codes that cover any kind of situation for the flag and how to use it. Think of it as a coat of arms, every unit has one. To lose it would be devastating. There is a entire federal law based on flag code, not that it is really enforced.
It is hard to explain, I grew up in a military house and work for the military myself. Its just one of those things you don't do no matter how angry you are.
I can totally understand burning it to really make a point for something that matters, but that whole situation was a joke. They burned it just to be asshats and start shit, then to see people say "its just cloth" and light up a smoke with it. It just shouts "look at me im edgy as fuck"
I bet these are the same people who would cry a fucking storm up if a bunch of people marched with nazi flags and other flags that often symbolized hate, oppression, and genocide. But but, it just cloth right?
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;46627269]Muh army, muh dead soldiers, muh flag worship. Nationalism still alive in the greatest country of the world.[/QUOTE]
Good thing Germany still keeps up with the xenophobia!
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;46630912]Am I the only one who finds it very weird and...for the lack of a better word, brain washy, that they have to recover a flag as if it's a dead soldier?[/QUOTE]
It's called ceremony and it's applied to things that are reasonably important (like countries), you don't have to be brainwashed to respect something in a ceremonial way.
Hey let's set something on fire in the street and complain when the National Guard comes over.
Better yet, let's just forget we are breaking the law by littering and setting something on fire.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;46632346]It's called ceremony and it's applied to things that are reasonably important (like countries), you don't have to be brainwashed respect something in a ceremonial way.[/QUOTE]
I see it more as them being good soldiers, since they're suppose to conduct themselves highly, and be respectfully. Which would technically be them retrieving/picking up a burnt flag to render it respect in accordance with the flag role.
[sp] Yes I know that read like some lame ass AKO/NKO flag course [/sp]
[QUOTE=Explosions;46624976]Yeah so what's the problem?[/QUOTE]
I think the problem is they are bring very disrespectful and just shitty to a group of people who just respect and care about something they happen to not.
I think burning the flag is retarded and moronic gesture, but that's there right so fine, but don't act like a bunch of fucking assholes.
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;46630912]Am I the only one who finds it very weird and...for the lack of a better word, brain washy, that they have to recover a flag as if it's a dead soldier?[/QUOTE]
Flags are symbols, mate. They symbolize everything that a nation stands for. When you burn a flag, for many people, you're showing immense disrespect to those concepts and ideas. This is why it's a potent political act of protest also, because the flag is such a strong symbol that burning it is speech within itself. People fight and die for "that flag"- or the thing it symbolizes. Flags are, more or less, an extension of the thing they stand for. I'd be seeing red myself if someone burned a red flag, because that red flag symbolizes everything I believe in. I imagine it's the same way for people who feel strongly for the American flag, its ideals, and its systems. They treat the flag with the respect they treat their national ideals, so the flag is deserving, to them, of being recovered because their country is deserving of that respect.
It's probably a difficult concept for many foreigners or people who aren't particularly political or patriotic, but the American flag is really a symbol of the people and ideologies of America. That symbolism is what makes it worth burning as a protest, and makes it worth saving and protecting to its supports. Flags are important yo. When the Reichstag was captured, the Soviets raised a flag. When Iwo Jima was taken, the Americans raised a flag. When Germany was defeated, the Russians marched in formation, dragging hundreds of captured nazi flags across the ground. In the Spanish Civil War, people ran into machine gun fire to recover flags captured by the enemy or left behind in retreats, because especially in that war, flags stood for ideas people were willing to die for.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46624916]How is it "edgy"? The pieces of that flag didn't belong to them. It was the right of the protesters to burn that flag.[/QUOTE]
It's against the law to improperly dispose of an American flag.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;46633626]It's against the law to improperly dispose of an American flag.[/QUOTE]
What law is this? Anything law remotely like that would be highly unconstitutional.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;46633626]It's against the law to improperly dispose of an American flag.[/QUOTE]
The US Flag Code discusses the way to properly handle the flag and dispose of it. The US Flag Code is symbolic and has no bearing on the law. Though many states had or attempted to have anti-flag burning laws, Texas v. Johnson and United States v. Eichman made such laws illegal and affirmed that the US flag could legally be burned.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46624916]How is it "edgy"? The pieces of that flag didn't belong to them. It was the right of the protesters to burn that flag.[/QUOTE]
Not in public they don't. Publicly burning things and leaving it on the roadway? Not okay for a variety of reasons. You want to cut it up and take the pieces with you or deposit them in the garbage? Totally fine.
Burning it presents a hazard and littering is a problem.
I mean I'm not disagreeing with civil disobedience by any means, but no, I'm betting it is quite illegal and not within their rights.
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