Crime Boss's Vatican Tomb Is Exhumed for Clues in Missing Girl's Case - Polidicks

[IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/05/15/world/15ITALY1/15ITALY1-articleLarge.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://wa1.cdn.3news.co.nz/3news/AM/2012/5/15/254276/Emanuela-Orlandi-800.jpg?width=460[/IMG] [QUOTE]ROME — Since 1983, when 15-year-old Emanuela Orlandi vanished on a street here on her way home from a music lesson, investigators have struggled to solve her disappearance. Various theories have tied the presumed kidnapping to intrigue involving the Italian secret services, organized crime, even the attempt to assassinate John Paul II — or possibly all three. On Monday, police forensic experts pursued yet another lead, exhuming the tomb of a notorious local crime boss at a Vatican church, where some speculated Emanuela might have been buried. Besides his remains, they found hundreds of other bones in an ancient ossuary nearby in the crypt. The police said they would test them to see if any might have been Emanuela’s. The exhumation added a new chapter to the 29-year-old mystery that has captivated Italians, in particular because Emanuela was the daughter of an employee of the Vatican City State — and a Vatican citizen, a fact that many see as a key to understanding her disappearance. One theory has it that she was kidnapped on the orders of an American archbishop, Paul C. Marcinkus, a former president of the Vatican bank who was linked to a major Italian banking scandal in the 1980s. Others cite an anonymous phone call the Vatican received weeks after Emanuela’s disappearance, demanding the release of Mehmet Ali Agca, the gunman who shot Pope John Paul II in St. Peter’s Square in 1981, in exchange for her release. In 2005, an anonymous phone call to a television program about the disappearance added a piece to the puzzle: “To find the solution to the case go and see who’s buried in the crypt of the basilica of Sant’Apollinare,” an unidentified man said, referring to the tomb of the local mob boss, Enrico De Pedis, known as Renatino, who was gunned down in Rome in 1990. The caller also implied that Emanuela had been kidnapped as a favor to Cardinal Ugo Poletti, who in 1983 was the vicar general of Rome. Cardinal Poletti died in 1997, and Archbishop Marcinkus in 2006. Questions remain about why Mr. De Pedis, a member of the Magliana crime gang, was buried in a church owned by the Holy See. His tomb is in a small locked room in a crypt under the church. Lorenzo Radogna, the lawyer for Mr. De Pedis’s wife, said Monday that the corpse would be taken to the family plot in Rome’s main cemetery or cremated. To lay rumors to rest that the Vatican had obstructed investigations into Emanuela’s disappearance, last month the Holy See agreed to the opening of Mr. De Pedis’s tomb. Pietro Orlandi, the brother of the missing girl, said Monday that the decision reflected a new collaboration between the Vatican and Italian prosecutors investigating the case. “It’s very positive,” Mr. Orlandi said. “Especially because this hadn’t been the case in the past.” The Vatican’s “silence for 29 years remains inexplicable for me,” he said. “I never expected her to be buried there, but it was important to clear up a doubt.” He said he was convinced that the truth behind his sister’s disappearance “is known to many people.” Mr. Orlandi also said he planned to lead a march to the Vatican later this month, in the hope that the pope would “publicly acknowledge” his sister. There are those who have claimed to have proof that Emanuela was still alive, and there have been reports of sightings of the now-adult Emanuela, in places like Turkey and England. One book published last month goes as far as to suggest that she is living in Rome. “The reopening of the tomb is to throw people off track,” said Roberta Hidalgo, the book’s author. Police officials on Monday confirmed that the tomb contained the body of Mr. De Pedis, identified using his fingerprints. They said tests would be carried out on the other bones found in the ancient crypt. “The hope of the family is that the remains won’t be found,” said Massimo Krogh, a lawyer for the Orlandi family. “Obviously, as long as they don’t find anything, they can hope she is still alive.”[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/world/europe/opening-of-crypt-revives-a-mystery.html[/url] Basically this super evil crime boss was friends with Vatican (one of the most corrupt and destructive organizations to ever exist on the face of the Earth) and got away with tons of shit because of it, before being burried among Popes and Cardinals in the Vatican after he was gunned down in 1990. And now some staff in the Vatican might get in trouble for hiring a hit on an Italian girl. It's pretty sad that since the Pope and Vatican are perceived as holy and just, they can abuse their power like shit and get away with it.

I dream of the day the Vatican will be treated as another evil organization or like a drug cartel instead of the "good christian Al-Qaeda" only.

Dudes, just because a few corrupt guys were working in the Vatican doesn't mean the whole system is corrupt. That's like saying all black people steal or all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, it's a negative stereotype. I wish people could see past that. Apart from that, I do think this case is pretty interesting, and it's good to see that they were able to find this stuff out.

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;35994364]Dudes, just because a few currupt guys were working in the Vatican doesn't mean the whole system is corrupt. That's like saying all black people steal or all mexicans are illegal immagrants, it's a negative stereotype.[/QUOTE] The entire church is terrible organization. If it's charitable work was replaced with a secular charity, nobody would miss it.

To be honest I've never heard of an atheist charity before. You know what, I know this is probably gonna end up as a big argument anyways, so I'm going to opt out of this. I don't need the stress. Feel free to keep dwelling on your anger and continue not recognizing the flaws of individuals do not represent the whole.

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;35994481]Feel free to keep dwelling on your anger and continue not recognizing the flaws of individuals do not represent the whole.[/QUOTE] Strange words coming from someone who claimed that society hates all gamers. Nice to see you too.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35994525]Strange words coming from someone who claimed that society hates all gamers. Nice to see you too.[/QUOTE] Dude, I stopped saying that years ago. I've moved on. Have you?

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;35994481]To be honest I've never heard of an atheist charity before. [/QUOTE] Meaning all christians are good and all atheists are EVIL.

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;35994481]To be honest I've never heard of an atheist charity before. You know what, I know this is probably gonna end up as a big argument anyways, so I'm going to opt out of this. I don't need the stress. Feel free to keep dwelling on your anger and continue not recognizing the flaws of individuals do not represent the whole.[/QUOTE] UNICEF Amnesty International Doctors Without Borders Kiva One Laptop Per Child Plan UK One World Action WaterAid CharityPortal.org.uk Guide Star The Big Give Age Concern [editline]17th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;35994481] Feel free to keep dwelling on your anger and continue not recognizing the flaws of individuals do not represent the whole.[/QUOTE] It's religion that causes these flaws.

While this isn't directly related to the thread, why does the vatican keep protecting people like this, and the whole protecting paedophiles, why would the vatican protect them?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35995111]While this isn't directly related to the thread, why does the vatican keep protecting people like this, and the whole protecting paedophiles, why would the vatican protect them?[/QUOTE] Because they're rotten scumbags with similiar sexual desires?

[QUOTE=znk666;35995211]Because they're rotten scumbags with similiar sexual desires?[/QUOTE] Well yeah but why would they purposefully do something that would damage their reputation with no foreseeable gain

I'm more concerned that some man's tomb was exhumed for clues and evidence. Respect needs to be shown for the dead, this shit is straight-up barbaric. Now to wait for generic "but he was a crime boss so it's entirely okay" post.

[QUOTE=Djentleman;35995404]I'm more concerned that some man's tomb was exhumed for clues and evidence. Respect needs to be shown for the dead, this shit is straight-up barbaric. Now to wait for generic "but he was a crime boss so it's entirely okay" post.[/QUOTE] Respect of your grave comes second when you're potentially involved a murder case.

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;35994364]Dudes, just because a few corrupt guys were working in the Vatican doesn't mean the whole system is corrupt. That's like saying all black people steal or all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, it's a negative stereotype. I wish people could see past that. Apart from that, I do think this case is pretty interesting, and it's good to see that they were able to find this stuff out.[/QUOTE] Haha yeah right... Nevermind all the covering up of just about anything bad they do, how a group that SHOULD fight poverty gives its main man clothes worth as much as food for a whole village and even scolds their own nuns for fighting poverty instead of homosexuality. And thats without counting the things we don't know. [editline]17th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Djentleman;35995404]I'm more concerned that some man's tomb was exhumed for clues and evidence. Respect needs to be shown for the dead, this shit is straight-up barbaric. Now to wait for generic "but he was a crime boss so it's entirely okay" post.[/QUOTE] You wouldn't be of the same opinion if the victim was in any way related to you. And respect? Yeah, I bet he showed alot of respect in his crimes aswell. I'd even go so far as making a bet on how if you were in any way related to him as some sort of a victim, you would even spit in his grave.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35995288]Well yeah but why would they purposefully do something that would damage their reputation with no foreseeable gain[/QUOTE] Because god instilled them with the power to do so. No, really.

Im a catholic and all these posts make me sad

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35995111]While this isn't directly related to the thread, why does the vatican keep protecting people like this, and the whole protecting paedophiles, why would the vatican protect them?[/QUOTE] Because it's hard enough to find priests who will take the vows they want to keep the ones they already have.

[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;35996896]Im a catholic and all these posts make me sad[/QUOTE] Luthern here. We hear ya, but the church has treated people like shit for a long time. See: Martin Luther

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;35994481][I]To be honest I've never heard of an atheist charity before.[/I] You know what, I know this is probably gonna end up as a big argument anyways, so I'm going to opt out of this. I don't need the stress. Feel free to keep dwelling on your anger and continue not recognizing the flaws of individuals do not represent the whole.[/QUOTE] What does that literally have to do with anything? Hell I'm Catholic and I freely say the Vatican is a steaming pile of giraffe poo. Honestly now, when both atheists [I]and[/I] theists are saying that's a dumb statement, something's wrong there. And by the way, that’s extremely cowardly of you. You just state something and run away without supporting it at all. If you “don’t need the stress”, why say it at all?

[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;35996896]Im a catholic and all these posts make me sad[/QUOTE] There's a difference between a Catholic person and an unelected de facto government official with power and influence all over the world, and the resources and social capital to cover up any and all crimes against the world. Catholics were never a problem, but corruption in the Vatican has been there since day 1 (literally day 1, Europe was forced to become Christian by a Roman Emperor who started the Catholic Church and the Vatican)