Ukraine will not join EU, NATO for another 20-25 years - Polidicks

[quote]Brussels (dpa) - It will take Ukraine at least another 20 years to join the European Union or NATO, a top EU official predicted Thursday, dashing hopes in the country for quick accessions to the bloc and the military alliance. The push for closer ties between Ukraine and the EU lies at the heart of the current crisis in the former Soviet country, which was triggered by protests in 2013 over a failed attempt to finalize an EU-Ukraine free trade deal. The agreement has since been signed and implemented, while the EU is paving the way for Ukrainian citizens to be able to visit the bloc without visas. Top officials in Ukraine have also repeatedly expressed the wish to join the EU. But European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker said during a speech in The Hague on Thursday that "Ukraine will definitely not be able to become a member of the EU in the next 20-25 years, and not of NATO either."[/quote] [url]http://www.dpa-international.com/news/top_stories/ukraine-will-not-join-eu-natofor-another-20-25-years-juncker-says-a-48506292.html[/url]

It'll probably be enough time to get the country back in shape with enough ambition and devotion from the populace and government. If we pulled it off after 15, Ukraine could after 20-25.

Got to wait for Russia to calm down, Ukraine to get stable [sp]and crush the rebel scum.[/sp]

[QUOTE=croguy;49865153]It'll probably be enough time to get the country back in shape with enough ambition and devotion from the populace and government. If we pulled it off after 15, Ukraine could after 20-25.[/QUOTE] They [B]could[/B] in theory. However, since they have big brother Russia doing everything to keep them within their sphere of influence, they will undoubtedly meet a lot of resistance.

[QUOTE=croguy;49865153]It'll probably be enough time to get the country back in shape with enough ambition and devotion from the populace and government. If we pulled it off after 15, Ukraine could after 20-25.[/QUOTE] It went into dismay 20years after the Soviet Union fell.. no idea what to expect in another 20.

With their hopes of joining the EU dashed I wonder who'll be first to exploit them; Russia/EEU, China or the IMF. Can be sure more austerity is on the way which might lead to svoboda/private militants gaining more power.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49865212]With their hopes of joining the EU dashed I wonder who'll be first to exploit them; Russia/EEU, China or the IMF. Can be sure more austerity is on the way which might lead to svoboda/private militants gaining more power.[/QUOTE] They're not dashed, they were just expecting it to be faster, they're not going to stop joining the EU now.

I think fondly of the Ukraine because all the Ukranian refugees in Poland have integrated well, and are happy to do honest work I hope everything works out for the Ukraine, but the EU just can't afford to take in a country in thst state.

[QUOTE=croguy;49865153]It'll probably be enough time to get the country back in shape with enough ambition and devotion from the populace and government. If we pulled it off after 15, Ukraine could after 20-25.[/QUOTE] Im currently in Zagreb atm and the sheer amount of EU flags around shows how much euro hype is still here. I really hope the UK remains in the EU (contrary to flagdog im from the UK).

Let's hope that the Ukrainians will be able to join us soon enough, there's a lot of potential in that country and I think it's finally got a chance to escape the bear.

Sounds like exactly what Russia wanted.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49865342]Let's hope that the Ukrainians will be able to join us soon enough, there's a lot of potential in that country and I think it's finally got a chance to escape the bear.[/QUOTE] It's a huge country with 40,000,000 people living there that are willing to work hard for a better future but corruption and the lack of foreign investments due to that is still a big problem. But I agree with you, there's huge potential. Source: I'm half Ukrainian

[QUOTE=croguy;49865153]It'll probably be enough time to get the country back in shape with enough ambition and devotion from the populace and government. If we pulled it off after 15, Ukraine could after 20-25.[/QUOTE] I still think we would never enter if Merkel/EU didn't use us as some kind of example that EU is still strong and is expanding. Nobody in their right mind should say things are going well here.

Maybe if they had stepped in two years ago when Ukraine was being invaded by a foreign country and had their land stolen from right under them we wouldn't be having this lengthy problem.

[QUOTE=Da Big Man;49865927]Maybe if they had stepped in two years ago when Ukraine was being invaded by a foreign country and had their land stolen from right under them we wouldn't be having this lengthy problem.[/QUOTE] No, Ukraine's economy has been manipulated by Russia for years, the fact is they've been maintaining their Soviet factories and that's about it. Today with Russian trade sanctions and the restrictions, they have to find a way to move their economy away from reliance on Russia to being self sufficient, it's going to be painful but it's what they've needed for a long time. The EU doesn't want to admit another economically destroyed state, plus Russia will fight tooth and nail to keep Ukraine away from the EU

[thumb]http://polandball.cc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/A6XtmTP.png[/thumb] Good Luck Ukraine, you will need it! [editline]4th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Electrocuter;49865280]They're not dashed, they were just expecting it to be faster, they're not going to stop joining the EU now.[/QUOTE] explain that to all maidan folk who expected free euro visa in two years promissed by Poroshenko, among other beyond reasonable expectations.

Just split Ukraine in half. East Ukraine and Crimea becomes Novorossiya and part of Russia's sphere, west Ukraine is just Ukraine and goes to the EU.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;49866231][thumb]http://polandball.cc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/A6XtmTP.png[/thumb] Good Luck Ukraine, you will need it! [editline]4th March 2016[/editline] explain that to all maidan folk who expected free euro visa in two years promissed by Poroshenko, among other beyond reasonable expectations.[/QUOTE] The difference is that Turkey is Muslim, to put it bluntly, and I think that a lot of European countries (probably wrongly) object to that, as well as being largely considered to be in the Middle East rather than Europe. Ukraine on the other hand is former Soviet and Christian. Hopefully it doesn't take that long, but certainly Ukrainian governmental practice is a long way off of being adequate to join right now.

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;49866249]Just split Ukraine in half. East Ukraine and Crimea becomes Novorossiya and part of Russia's sphere, west Ukraine is just Ukraine and goes to the EU.[/QUOTE] All the good industry is (was) in the east. West Ukraine would be pissed. + theres some people (tartars, ukrainian nationalists) in the east/crimea who don't want to be part of russia/novoRussia. + americans/some others would be against it and would argue it would mean Russia has "won" and that it would encourage further shenanigans. + politics imo ukraine is better off whole (east and west unified, crimea is already a lost cause) and should have a good, healthy, friendly relationship with Russia and the EU, not being anybodys puppet, dealing with its corruption, buying and paying for fuel from Russia with access to the EU and EEU, this would be the ideal solution in my mind, Europe, Ukraine and Russia should be like siblings helping each other.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;49866383]The difference is that Turkey is Muslim, to put it bluntly, and I think that a lot of European countries (probably wrongly) object to that, as well as being largely considered to be in the Middle East rather than Europe. Ukraine on the other hand is former Soviet and Christian. Hopefully it doesn't take that long, but certainly Ukrainian governmental practice is a long way off of being adequate to join right now.[/QUOTE] The bigger problem with Turkey is its human rights violations, refusing to admit to the Armenian genocide and so on.

[QUOTE=croguy;49865153]It'll probably be enough time to get the country back in shape with enough ambition and devotion from the populace and government. If we pulled it off after 15, Ukraine could after 20-25.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately current government are busy doing the same shit that previous one - nothing, except taking the money out. And blaming each other in being FSB's agents.

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;49866249]Just split Ukraine in half. East Ukraine and Crimea becomes Novorossiya and part of Russia's sphere, west Ukraine is just Ukraine and goes to the EU.[/QUOTE] how about i split you in half m8

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49866395]All the good industry is (was) in the east. West Ukraine would be pissed. + theres some people ([b]tartars[/b], [/QUOTE] Tatars must be triggered now.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49866809]Tatars must be triggered now.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure there are no tatars on Facepunch

stupid EU on it again ... the chance to expand EU with culturally-compatible countries like Macedonia, Montegero, Serbia, Bosnia and Hercegovina and even to east with Ukraine, Moldovo it was before Putin got into office and turned Russia to 'hrhr superpower again' now, it became way harder Georgia is too far - it would be nice partner country Turkey is sadly culturally incompatible to become EU member (but nobody got balls to tell them that last 30y)

the fuck is a tartar

[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;49867010]the fuck is a tartar[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://images.lifesambrosia.com/food/homemade-tartar-sauce.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Bradyns;49865196]It went into dismay 20years after the Soviet Union fell.. no idea what to expect in another 20.[/QUOTE] Ukraine went into dismay because western pro-european people were upset with eastern, pro-russian people. Ukraine has a large cultural and ethnic divide between east and west, and the turmoil started back in 2004 with several political conflicts between Russian-backed politicians like Leonid Kuchma and the future president Viktor Yanukovych. It's not like through the 1990s there was war with Russia, most problems with Russia are caused almost entirely by Vladimir Putin

So they imply that in 20 years UE will be a thing? Looking at what is happening it's more likely than more nations will want to leave this institution than join.

Working with Ukrainian people and asking them about the war one said "oh but it's theirs" Others from not from the border haven't been that happy about it