[QUOTE=Winner;44683161]I wouldn't say it's feeling pain, it's just response to stimulus
still interesting[/QUOTE]
Yeah I doubt the scientists were specifically testing for pain, and they didn't really outright mention pain in the video, did they?
[QUOTE=Winner;44683190]nah they didn't, but whoever uploaded it wrote this:
so dumb[/QUOTE]
This was uploaded by the Smithsonian institute themselves.
[QUOTE=Winner;44683161]I wouldn't say it's feeling pain, it's just response to stimulus
still interesting[/QUOTE]
isn't that kind of like pain though
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i mean obviously it can't "feel" it like we can because it doesn't have a brain and whatever but im just wondering
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;44684821]isn't that kind of like pain though
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i mean obviously it can't "feel" it like we can because it doesn't have a brain and whatever but im just wondering[/QUOTE]It isn't like pain at all. It is like a feeling. When you touch something, you feel it. It doesn't necessarily cause painful reaction. They can feel stimulation but is that stimulation perceived as pain by the plant?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44685002]It isn't like pain at all. It is like a feeling. When you touch something, you feel it. It doesn't necessarily cause painful reaction. They can feel stimulation but is that stimulation perceived as pain by the plant?[/QUOTE]
If you can perceive negative stimulation it doesn't matter if you perceive it as "pain" or not, it's negative stimulation. Specific emotional reaction to identified stimulation, such as that would be caused by pain, are impossible for a plant to display on a way we could label with 100% certainty to be pain because they lack the required ability to process that stimulation and react in a specific way we would understand. We know animals feel pain because we understand their body language, their reactions to stimulation. We have yet to fully understand plant reaction to stimulation, mostly because there is usually no visible reaction to decypher as there is with animals.
To say that plants cannot feel pain because we cannot perceive their perception of what would be pain inducing stimulation, is akin to saying that you know Schrodinger's cat is dead because you can't see the box move when you lightly tap it with a feather.
Pain is an extreme level of negative stimulus though. Can plants tell the difference between how bad it is or is it binary is touched or isn't touched? Pain also causes a lot of discomfort for animals and humans, does it for plants? I doubt plants feel pain, they just feel "oh something touched me, better react by closing leaves". In human version it would be something like "I cut my finger, better close the fist so it doesn't get further injury" instead of "oww fuck". We feel both reaction to external stimulation and pain due to nerves. Plants most likely just use the electric signals to detect and heal the damage. Aka they do not suffer from pain due to damage, they simply use the information to get cells into action.
(not a scientist, just speculating crap on the internet here)
Possible, though pain is, in the purest form, the process by which we are able to recognize damage to our body. So if a plant is able to recognize damage, it must therefore feel pain, whether it has a reaction to the stimulation is useless information, the simple notion that the plant heals would then be enough to say it "feels" pain, since it can detect damage and thus repair said damage.
Essentially, if a human didn't have the ability to detect damage to their body, as nerves serve to trigger the brain into feeling the sensation of pain, we'd have died out long ago as we'd end up lighting our selves on fire or something and end up dead before we knew it. Plants too, would be the same way, the enhanced sensation of pain is our way of realizing we are hurt and need to do something/slow down/rest/heal. Plants don't really have that same issue, and thus while they feel probably "feel" pain, they do not require such an intense reaction to physical damage to make them take action.
Basing your diet off of what does or does not feel pain is a bad idea in the first place. You get into all kinds of tricky philosophical situations down that road.
I kinda just wanted this to be a 3 second video of someone saying "no".
I am a saltarian, my diet consists entirely of sodium chloride as it is the edible substance not derived from the imprisonment and murder of living organisms
[QUOTE=RobbL;44689804]I am a saltarian, my diet consists entirely of sodium chloride as it is the edible substance not derived from the imprisonment and murder of living organisms[/QUOTE]
By eating salt you are potentially depriving other organisms of salt and causing them suffering. Checkmate, Hitler.
The narrator said it himself. Plants don't have nerves therefore they cannot feel pain. Can they react to outside stimulus? Yes, that doesn't necessarily mean pain though.
As said before, there's a difference between response to stimulus and a perceived feeling of pain.
I also don't see what purpose pain would serve to a plant because they hardly have the motor function to avoid or do anything to protect from harmful stimuli anyways.
Shouldn't pain produce stress to the organism? If you're drugged up and get hurt, you don't feel it, or the pain because your nerves can't react to the stimulus. Plants don't become stressed out as far as I know.
to "feel" you need two things, nerves, and a central nervous system. the fact that the plant is responding to stilmuli isn't enough, even if the stimuli itself is damage.
we actually already knew that some plants are capable of generating a form of action potential (how else would carnivorous plants work), but I highly doubt that they're capable of actually feeling anything if they lack the most basic of nerve structures. the ether experiment involves the ether itself inhibiting the chemical reaction that produces the action potential, naturally causing the receptors on the mimosa to not work.
I'd believe mechanical reflex (which i'm assuming) and responding to a feeling of discomfort are two different reactions but serve similar function. Also in the same way cutting a chickens head off will make it run around, looking like it's not having a good time but we know it doesn't have a brain to feel pain and nerves still perform without having something to respond to it.
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