They say God's principal qualities are his mercy, kindness, and willingness to forgive, and that Hes a God of love, and all-powerful. But, the first time man disobeyed Him, man was kicked out of paradise and made mortal. Since we then became mortal, we were able to die, and a lot of people died. In the end, God sends His only son to save everyone. His son dies, asking why God has forsaken him. And for what? To purge, with his blood, the sin of the first human, who God Himself had provoked and punished, and so that people could return to the paradise from which we were forsaken and discover immortality.
Its pointless, because He could just not have punished everyone so severely to begin with for the stuff they didn't do. Or He could have discontinued the punishment because the offence had taken place quite a while ago. But why sacrifice your beloved son, and betray him? What kind of love is that? What kind of willingness to forgive, wheres the omnipotence? And if He is not omnipotent, then why worship Him?
Help me understand the nonsense, Facepunch.
[b]TL;DR[/b]
Man sins, God punishes by making us mortal. God then sends Jesus to sacrifice himself so we can become immortal again. What the fuck?
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Why are you even bothering to question this logic
It's a love/hate relationship that people seem to thrive off of.
It's like marriage.
If you're taking Christianity, or any religion, literally then you have bigger problems than this.
God loves me aslong as he controlls me.
Burn the heretic
It's probably to show that he wanted to know what it's like to be mortal, and since somewhere it says they're the same person (or same person but different parts of it or something), well...
I'd suggest asking someone with a clearer idea of how it all pans out. Asking FP is like asking victims of Ground Zero about Islamic beliefs.
troll thread is troll thread
God is a jealous god but you cant be jealous of ANYONE remember that.
there is no 'god'. it's only imaginary.
How can this be considered a troll thread? This subject was bothering me, so I figured I'd take it to the educated minds of Facepunch. Unless "educated minds of Facepunch" is a contradiction in terms.
Faith transcends logic. But that's not to say they're wrong; there are ways of justifying large chunks of religion (possibly all of it; you never know) if you're willing to look for it.
Basically, telling someone with a lot of faith that they're wrong just doesn't work.
[QUOTE=_Chewgum;22462740]there is no 'god'. it's only imaginary.[/QUOTE]
That's not a very good argument.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;22462750]Faith transcends logic. But that's not to say they're wrong; there are ways of justifying large chunks of religion (possibly all of it; you never know) if you're willing to look for it.
Basically, telling someone with a lot of faith that they're wrong just doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
It may be possible to justify all of it, but until somebody actually finds the evidence to justify it, it's a pointless waste of time.
Dumb thread, move along, men.
Don't question the non-existant, you will get raped by the church
God is a belief for people so there's hope. It's a form of optimism
That's right people. Gaybow it up.
[QUOTE=Lord Ivan;22462774]It may be possible to justify all of it, but until somebody actually finds the evidence to justify it, it's a pointless waste of time.[/QUOTE]
people who believe in god [I]have[/I] got evidence. they see the universe as the only evidence they need.
so you dispute their evidence? so what?
Have you ever lived in a society?
[QUOTE=Comrade General;22462808]God is a belief for people so there's hope. It's a form of optimism
That's right people. Gaybow it up.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure religion transcends optimism. It's the way you perceive the [I]whole universe[/I], I don't think it's just people trying to make themselves feel better about being mortal.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;22462817]people who believe in god [I]have[/I] got evidence. they see the universe as the only evidence they need.
so you dispute their evidence? so what?[/QUOTE]
We're all the dream of a space bug. :downs:
If people believe in god, leave them alone. Really, if the idea of an afterlife helps motivate people to do good and makes them sleep better at night, why try to ruin that for them?
Make fun of people who take the Bible/Qur'an [B]literally[/B], not your every-day believer.
God was wrathful and spiteful until it became inconvenient for the people who worshiped him, so they changed his personality to loving and forgiving
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22462857]If people believe in god, leave them alone. Really, if the idea of an afterlife helps motivate people to do good and makes them sleep better at night, why try to ruin that for them?[/QUOTE]
Yeah.. But i demand rights to laugh at the people praying to god on the day of the apocalypse/nuclear war.
[QUOTE=Comrade General;22462903]Yeah.. But i demand rights to laugh at the people praying to god on the day of the apocalypse/nuclear war.[/QUOTE]
laugh at them all you like... they won't give a shit.
Dude it will only be on the day of the apocalypse. Besides. They WILL be praying and i WILL be laughing. Infact i'll probably be burning things aswell. Lots of things. Because come on, who wouldn't just do what they wanted to on the day of the apocalypse?
PRAISE THE LORD! [img_thumb]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/emoot/worship.gif[/img_thumb]
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[QUOTE=Robbobin;22462817]people who believe in god [I]have[/I] got evidence. they see the universe as the only evidence they need.
so you dispute their evidence? so what?[/QUOTE]
That's not evidence. That's faith.
The thing about religion is that there are no explanations, only rationalizations.
Truth of the matter is that not a whole lot of any religious text makes sense, it's written by a bunch of different people over a long length of time. It's full of exaggerations, inconsistencies and contradictions.
Why do you think there are so many denominations, so many individual branches of all the different religions? It's because they're so ambiguous. People can read a text and get exactly what they want out of it.
This is also, I think, the reason why it has managed to stay alive this long. Whenever you poke a hole in one of the beliefs, it just changes. It's like trying to kill a worm, whenever you cut it, it just splits in two. The analogy fits well because whenever you poke a hole in a religion, or a belief held by a religion, it splits in two. The ones who retain the belief that you just invalidated, and the ones who abandon it, rationalizing the flaw in their text (eg. 'It's a metaphor', 'God works in mysterious ways').
[QUOTE=Lord Ivan;22462963]That's not evidence. That's faith.[/QUOTE]
evidence is more subjective than you think.
maybe you should consider that maybe you have too much faith in science?
you never experienced the birth of the universe, how do you know that the God Christianity or Islam or any other religion describes, didn't create it?
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