Trump says he’ll copy the attacks Bernie used against Hillary - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Donald Trump believes he has an unlikely ally in his quest to defeat presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in the November election — Bernie Sanders. The Vermont senator has stubbornly refused to bow out of the race even though Clinton has what analysts call an insurmountable lead and he and his campaign continue to bash her. The continuing attacks have not gone unnoticed by Trump. “Bernie Sanders has a message that’s interesting. I’m going to be taking a lot of the things that Bernie said and using them. I can re-read some of his speeches and I can get some very good material,” Trump said Wednesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “He said, you know, in many ways she shouldn’t be there. He said some things about her that are actually surprising, you know, that essentially she has no right to even be running and she’s got bad judgment. When he said ‘bad judgement,’ I said ‘Sound bite!’” Team Clinton has been calling on Sanders to put a lid on the harsh attacks coming from his campaign, arguing they can only boost her GOP rivals.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://nypost.com/2016/04/27/trump-says-hell-copy-the-attacks-bernie-used-against-hillary/"]Source[/URL] I wonder how well it will work.

I see what Trump is doing. He knows there's a significant number of anti-establishment voters who typically lean Democrat but would jump ship and go to the Republicans if they had an anti-establishment candidate. There's no merit in anything he's saying, it's just political games to grab votes.

[QUOTE=sb27;50218682]I see what Trump is doing. He knows there's a significant number of anti-establishment voters who typically lean Democrat but would jump ship and go to the Republicans if they had an anti-establishment candidate. There's no merit in anything he's saying, it's just political games to grab votes.[/QUOTE] No question about it, and he's been planning this campaign for a while. I remember seeing something about him grabbing the rights to "Make America..." around 2001.

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;50218714]No question about it, and he's been planning this campaign for a while. I remember seeing something about him grabbing the rights to "Make America..." around 2001.[/QUOTE] He's been constantly teasing a presidential run for some time, since the 80s iirc. He's been planning this for literal decades.

[QUOTE=Durandal;50218670] I wonder how well it will work.[/QUOTE] Didn't work for bernie :v:

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50218739]Didn't work for bernie :v:[/QUOTE] Bernie isn't trying to siphon off fanny-flustered supporters of another candidate that lost right now though.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50218739]Didn't work for bernie :v:[/QUOTE] because Bernie wasn't as much of an extreme populist as Trump is. Trump is doing the same thing the Populist Party did in the 1890s, which was spouting anti-government, anti-establishment rhetoric because the general populace at the time was fed up with it. doesn't mean what he's saying has any value, but it does mean he'll get votes. Trump is saying that he could learn from where Bernie is using populist ideologies and use those newfound strategies to his advantage.

[QUOTE=Durandal;50218726]He's been constantly teasing a presidential run for some time, since the 80s iirc. He's been planning this for literal decades.[/QUOTE] Didn't he say he wasn't going to run unless it was really bad in the 80's?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50218739]Didn't work for bernie :v:[/QUOTE] Sanders is in an awkward spot tho You've got a rival who is corrupt to the bone, absolute establishment, has a track record covered in shit and you'd be able to produce thousands of advertisements denouncing her with backed up evidence problem is -- she's on the same team as you so sanders has to be really careful, he has to mention her shit qualities but at the end of the day, if she comes out on top, he wants a democrat in the white house GOP/Trump tho? No fucking mercy, that's where Trump comes in acting as Sanders mouthpiece to shit he just wants to say but can't

Bernie should copyright his speeches. Trump is such a supposed fan of lawsuits, he should have fun with that.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50218739]Didn't work for bernie :v:[/QUOTE] It didn't work for Bernie because he waited until over half the states voted before doing any significant attacks on her. I love Bernie but he should have been more aggressive back in the fall. The media would have latched on better back then. His narrative of being a political pacifist just put him at a disadvantage whenever he contrasted his policies against Hillary. If you listen to Obama during the '08 campaign you can see a proper example of how to be aggressive but not stoop to Republican primary levels of depravity. How were the majority of undecided democratic voters supposed to even contrast him if he didn't bother to contrast Hillary's policies directly during any of the debates. The first few debates were way too calm and didn't have much contrasting viewpoints for the viewers at home to latch on to.

[QUOTE=Aztec;50218801]It didn't work for Bernie because he waited until over half the states voted before doing any significant attacks on her. I love Bernie but he should have been more aggressive back in the fall. The media would have latched on better back then. His narrative of being a political pacifist just put him at a disadvantage whenever he contrasted his policies against Hillary. If you listen to Obama during the '08 campaign you can see a proper example of how to be aggressive but not stoop to Republican primary levels of depravity. How were the majority of undecided democratic voters supposed to even contrast him if he didn't bother to contrast Hillary's policies directly during any of the debates. The first few debates were way too calm and didn't have must contrasting viewpoints for the viewers at home to latch on to.[/QUOTE] To be fair Obama was also more charismatic than any of the politicians this election cycle and had a 10/10 campaign manager. "Change" and "Hope" were perfect slogans.

[QUOTE=Aztec;50218801]The first few debates were way too calm and didn't have much contrasting viewpoints for the viewers at home to latch on to.[/QUOTE] "He didn't put on a good enough show"

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50218800]Bernie should copyright his speeches. Trump is such a supposed fan of lawsuits, he should have fun with that.[/QUOTE] Probably won't work, since giving a speech is like giving a performance and therefore no publication is involved. If that was the case, Martin Luther King would have lost his copyright speech case. Anyway I'm looking forward Trump destroying Hillary in future debates.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50218843]"He didn't put on a good enough show"[/QUOTE] If you look at how quick articles get published when Bernie directly attacks Hillary it really makes you wonder what would have happened back when he was getting very little attention. If you recall from the debates before Iowa, half a dozen times both Hillary and Bernie would congratulate themselves and the Democratic Party for being better than the GOP and speak at lengths about how they both would deal with Donald Trump. This was great for Hillary because she got to campaign for the general election super early in the cycle and bad for Bernie because no one knew who he was or why he'd be a better alternative to Hillary. Bernie has had a pretty bad tendency to repeat his stump positions without properly explaining them during debates as well, which was always frustrating to watch. For instance, constantly talking about wallstreet speculation and reinstating glass-steagall without explaining why he feels these things are important or what they are to those who don't know. Honestly O'Malley was the most entertaining person in the early debates before Iowa because he was willing to be direct with Hillary's policy positions.

Sanders was too much of a coward to properly attack Hillary. Rest assured, Trump will not be so lenient.

[QUOTE=NixNax123;50218765]because Bernie wasn't as much of an extreme populist as Trump is. Trump is doing the same thing the Populist Party did in the 1890s, which was spouting anti-government, anti-establishment rhetoric because the general populace at the time was fed up with it. doesn't mean what he's saying has any value, but it does mean he'll get votes. Trump is saying that he could learn from where Bernie is using populist ideologies and use those newfound strategies to his advantage.[/QUOTE] Bernie is a populist, too, but there are just more racists in this country than there are socialists

[QUOTE=Chaitin;50218848]Probably won't work, since giving a speech is like giving a performance and therefore no publication is involved. If that was the case, Martin Luther King would have lost his copyright speech case. Anyway I'm looking forward Trump destroying Hillary in future debates.[/QUOTE] It was meant as a joke :v:

[QUOTE=orgornot;50218871]Sanders was too much of a coward to properly attack Hillary. Rest assured, Trump will not be so lenient.[/QUOTE] How were Sanders attacks towards Hillary not "proper"?

[QUOTE=exhale77;50219080]How were Sanders attacks towards Hillary not "proper"?[/QUOTE] Because he attacked her stances and political points instead of damaging her character through mudslinging, rhetoric and catch-phrases :v:

[QUOTE=exhale77;50219080]How were Sanders attacks towards Hillary not "proper"?[/QUOTE] he didn't refer to her as 'lyin' hillary' every time he mentioned her

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50219141]Because he attacked her stances and political points instead of damaging her character through mudslinging, rhetoric and catch-phrases :v:[/QUOTE] One gets attention, the other one is boring. As sad as it is.

Trump will destroy Hillary if that's what the nominees become.

Trump is effectively the Republican version of Obama. In four/eight years, the US will have an independent candidate running with the slogan "yes we can make America great again".

[QUOTE=General J;50219234]Trump will destroy Hillary if that's what the nominees become.[/QUOTE] This sounds great until you realize -There's still a chance the GOP will steal the nomination from him causing him to go third party. Easy win for Hillary -Trump's largest voterbase has been white republicans and he's insulted a lot of minorities that he hasn't had to face yet -Let's not forget that Clinton has a near monolithic control of the minority vote -I think people are overestimating how many Bernie supporters are going to flip to trump/not vote, I think just as many or more will flip to Hillary when it comes down to it. -Obama will be a powerful ally of Hillary Clinton once the general election campaign starts. -All polls since last summer have indicated that trump will get defeated by Hillary. -I'm sure Bernie Sanders himself will be speaking out against donald trump throughout the general election as well. Some more food for thought. Is Trump really prepared to spend millions and millions of his own money in the general election?

I see people are still living in some alternative universe where Trump stands a chance against Hillary.

[QUOTE=Aztec;50219376]This sounds great until you realize -There's still a chance the GOP will steal the nomination from him causing him to go third party. Easy win for Hillary -Trump's largest voterbase has been white republicans and he's insulted a lot of minorities that he hasn't had to face yet -Let's not forget that Clinton has a near monolithic control of the minority vote -I think people are overestimating how many Bernie supporters are going to flip to trump/not vote, I think just as many or more will flip to Hillary when it comes down to it. -Obama will be a powerful ally of Hillary Clinton once the general election campaign starts. -All polls since last summer have indicated that trump will get defeated by Hillary. -I'm sure Bernie Sanders himself will be speaking out against donald trump throughout the general election as well. Some more food for thought. Is Trump really prepared to spend millions and millions of his own money in the general election?[/QUOTE] Judging from recent events, the prospect of Cruz and Kasich somehow stealing the nomination from him are as likely as Bernie winning the Democratic nomination. Trump made massive gains Tuesday, including 33 uncommitted delegates in Pennsylvania. Right now he is also up in Indiana and just received an endorsement from Bobby Knight who is now stumping for him. Add in the fact that Ted Cruz is totally out of touch and way far right, and Kasich is massively unknown and only getting votes because he's an alternative to Ted Cruz that isn't Trump and you have a recipe for disaster for the GOP that hates Trump.

[QUOTE=Durandal;50219494]Judging from recent events, the prospect of Cruz and Kasich somehow stealing the nomination from him are as likely as Bernie winning the Democratic nomination. Trump made massive gains Tuesday, including 33 uncommitted delegates in Pennsylvania. Right now he is also up in Indiana and just received an endorsement from Bobby Knight who is now stumping for him. Add in the fact that Ted Cruz is totally out of touch and way far right, and Kasich is massively unknown and only getting votes because he's an alternative to Ted Cruz that isn't Trump and you have a recipe for disaster for the GOP that hates Trump.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's likely that they will steal if by conventional means. I think there's a chance for something ludicrous. This is the party that shut down the government after all. Also, there are a significant number of unpledged delegates not bound by anybody that Cruz has been grabbing. Don't forget that according to 538's predictions, even with him outdoing polls last tuesday he is still just short of his target. For reference, Hillary Clinton is above her target.

[QUOTE=Aztec;50219538]I don't think it's likely that they will steal if by conventional means. I think there's a chance for something ludicrous. This is the party that shut down the government after all. Also, there are a significant number of unpledged delegates not bound by anybody that Cruz has been grabbing. Don't forget that according to 538's predictions, even with him outdoing polls last tuesday he is still just short of his target. For reference, Hillary Clinton is above her target.[/QUOTE] 538 doesn't count unpledged delegates in their numbers (for good reason), but assuming all 32 of the unpledged delegates from Pennsylvania stick with Trump because they are either Pro-Trump or all about sticking with whoever won their state, Trump has 988 Delegates according to [URL="http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R"]Greenpapers if you count his unpledged gains in Pennsylvania.[/URL] If he follows what 538 thinks he'll get in the remaining states and those 32 stick with him he'll be at 1242 on the first ballot, that is if he doesn't over or under perform in future primarys and they stick with him. if they do something funky to deny him and he won the majority of votes and delegates they're pretty much absolutely without a question going to cause their party to explode and they'll lose the general election anyway, a Trump nominee would be less damaging than the so called "establishment" taking it from him in a crooked manner if he gets above 1237. I think 538s targets where made before a lot of those states where changed to have their delegates uncommitted which is why his target is 40 instead of 17

Its a shame that out of three candidates the most genuine and reasonable isn't winning.