• Trump finally reveals his brilliant plan to defeat ISIS (he doesn't have one; ask the generals)
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[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-plan-defeat-isis-30-days-elected/story?id=41905399[/url] [quote]Donald Trump is expected to unveil a plan to end the military sequester — across-the-board budget cuts — during a speech in Philadelphia, a day after saying he would ask his top military officials to formulate a plan within his first 30 days in office to defeat ISIS. [B] “We are going to convey my top generals and give them a simple instruction,” Trump told a crowd in Greenville, N.C., on Tuesday. “They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS. We have no choice.”[/B] In a briefing with the campaign, an aide previewed his address to the Union League, adding that Trump would request a substantial increase in military spending, as he previously advocated.[/quote] Yeah. His brilliant plan to defeat ISIS is to ask the generals to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS. Wow! Why didn't we think of that! Bonus: retired general shakes his head in disbelief, calls this "plan" insulting and sophomoric: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/07/politics/mark-hertling-trump-30-day-isis-plan/[/url] [quote]A retired army general is slamming Donald Trump's remarks that as President he will ask the US military to come up with a plan within one month to defeat ISIS. "[B]I had to ask myself, what the hell does he think we've been trying to do for the last 14 years in terms of al Qaeda?" Retired Army Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling told Anderson Cooper on AC360 on Tuesday.[/b] At a rally in Greenville, North Carolina, Trump said that on day one of his presidency, he would convene his top generals and give what he called a "simple instruction" to in 30 days submit to the Oval Office "a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS."[/quote] [editline]7th September 2016[/editline] Just further proof that this clown has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to religious extremism. To think that we can wrap this shit up nice and neat implies a [I]serious[/I] misunderstanding about the threat we're dealing with. He seems to be under impression that we just have to bomb a couple targets, maybe shoot some people, and "wow! Islamic extremism is dead! Why we didn't we do this sooner?"
How is he going to substantially increase military spending while simultaneously destroying the budget and ballooning the deficit? Why are conservatives voting for this guy?
Just keeping in mind that this is the same Donald Trump who said, [B]"I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me."[/B]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51015765]How is he going to substantially increase military spending while simultaneously destroying the budget and ballooning the deficit? Why are conservatives voting for this guy?[/QUOTE] He'll make america great again don't you know, he'll do it somehow, any evidence to the contrary is from the bias of the liberal media. :vs:
Trump last year: [quote]Trump spoke with Fox’s Greta Van Susteren tonight and bemoaned how [B]the U.S. has “totally messed up the balance in the Middle East.” He believes the U.S. has to do something to combat ISIS.[/B] Van Susteren asked him exactly what that would be. Trump said,[B] “I do know what to do and I would know how to bring ISIS to the table or, beyond that, defeat ISIS very quickly.”[/B] He then added, [B]“And I’m not gonna tell you what it is tonight.”[/B] Van Susteren stopped him and asked, “Why won’t you tell? We need all the help we can get!” Trump explained: “[B]I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing. Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point, but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.”[/B][/quote] [url]http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-i-know-how-to-defeat-isis-but-im-not-gonna-tell-yet/[/url]
"We shall be home before the leaves fall." -Kaiser Wilhelm II, on the eve of the First World War
If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward. He contradicts himself at every possible turn. He spews whatever inane bullshit he thinks he needs to in order to win over the voters.
the title is saying he wants isis defeated in 30 days, but he actually wants the plan ready within 30 days
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward.[/QUOTE] "We'll vote for Trump no matter what people say! He's clearly a better candidate than Crooked Shillary Clinton who got rich without having any businesses! He'll keep America's secrets much better than she will! His ideas are so off the wall they might actually work if we tried them!"
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward.[/QUOTE] At this point he should append his campaign slogan. "Make America Great Again, just don't ask me how"
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward. He contradicts himself at every possible turn. He spews whatever inane bullshit he thinks he needs to in order to win over the voters.[/QUOTE] Even smart people get caught up in cults.
Thread title is a bit wrong, it implies (at least to me) "Trump demands a plan that will defeat ISIS in 30 days", article and quotes are "Trump demands a plan within 30 days that will defeat ISIS". The 30-day deadline is to get the plan, not to win the war. It's still fucking retarded but it's not completely skull-fuckingly retarded.
[QUOTE=Perrine;51015840]the title is saying he wants isis defeated in 30 days, but he actually wants the plan ready within 30 days[/QUOTE] Expecting the problem could be solved within the maximum constitutional length of his presidency is no more probable than the problem being solved in 30 days, so really it doesn't matter. He's talking as if it'll be something he gets to declare Mission Accomplished on while in office.
I feel as though Trump has a 'Reader's Digest' understanding of darn near everything these days. Feels like he over simplifies a lot of topics in order to sound as though solving those issues isn't a big deal for him (to impress possible voters, I imagine). [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward. He contradicts himself at every possible turn. He spews whatever inane bullshit he thinks he needs to in order to win over the voters.[/QUOTE] While I do agree with you, and admire your enthusiasm, let's try to curb your anger a touch and stay on topic, eh?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward. He contradicts himself at every possible turn. He spews whatever inane bullshit he thinks he needs to in order to win over the voters.[/QUOTE] If someone is voting for Trump, there's a good chance they've stopped listening to reason. There's a good chance they've surrounded themselves with like-minded Trumpets and created their own reality, ironically similar to SJW's.
[QUOTE=Perrine;51015840]the title is saying he wants isis defeated in 30 days, but he actually wants the plan ready within 30 days[/QUOTE] You're right. That's my mistake. Corrected the title.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward. He contradicts himself at every possible turn. He spews whatever inane bullshit he thinks he needs to in order to win over the voters.[/QUOTE] People like Pvt. Martin and wystan have their heads so far up their asses they don't care about anything except "MAGA! FUCK IMMIGRANTS! WALL NOW!!!!!!"
Thanks for the input on why I shouldn't vote for Trump but can you please tell me why I should vote for Clinton?
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51016006]Thanks for the input on why I shouldn't vote for Trump but can you please tell me why I should vote for Clinton?[/QUOTE] Lesser evil, prevents Trump from getting into office, more likely to win in comparison to third party candidates.
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51016006]Thanks for the input on why I shouldn't vote for Trump but can you please tell me why I should vote for Clinton?[/QUOTE] To not get Trump basically. Also, chances are she'll be a decent president (assuming you think Obama qualifies as a decent president) even if she isn't exactly an admirable human being.
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51016006]Thanks for the input on why I shouldn't vote for Trump but can you please tell me why I should vote for Clinton?[/QUOTE] Nope, because I'm not a big Clinton fan either. The sad truth is that the course of US politics has become so fucked that most voters are forced to vote [I]against[/I] a candidate, rather than [I]for[/I] one. Basically: Trump is the biggest fucking joke in the history of US politics, and voting for literally [I]anybody[/I] is preferable to voting for him. Clinton may be the "same old thing," but I'd rather have a stagnant presidency than an actively destructive one.
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51016006]Thanks for the input on why I shouldn't vote for Trump but can you please tell me why I should vote for Clinton?[/QUOTE] The status quo isn't great, but it's better than Trump and a vote for Clinton is a vote for the status quo. At minimum there's the chance to shake things up in the mid-term elections -- hopefully some voters will remember how much anger they're feeling right now over such shitty choices and will vote in non-presidential races. The Democratic platform has also integrated a bunch of Bernie's platforms (presumably in exchange for him going peacefully instead of contesting the nomination process and messing up DNC PR in the face of the ongoing Trumplosion), and there's at least a chance that they might try and deliver on any of them.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015712] Just further proof that this clown has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to religious extremism.[/QUOTE] You say that as if we needed any more...
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51016006]Thanks for the input on why I shouldn't vote for Trump but can you please tell me why I should vote for Clinton?[/QUOTE] Because otherwise Trump wins. The political landscape of the US fucking sucks, we all know this, but this is really a binary choice.
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51016006]Thanks for the input on why I shouldn't vote for Trump but can you please tell me why I should vote for Clinton?[/QUOTE] Simple. Who would you rather vote for: Richard Nixon, or Adolf Hitler? The law-ignoring, corrupt career politician, or the idiot whose only success was at an unspeakable genocide, started a series of massive wars that scattered bodies over three continents, and left his country a crater-ridden bombed-out husk that took a half-century to recover? A choice like this is *simple*. Trump is a bad enough candidate that you should vote for whoever seems most likely to defeat him. Right now, that's Clinton, but I'd give the same advice if the front-runner were Johnson or Stein. None of the other candidates comes even close to being as bad as Trump. (Do note that this is not a normal circumstance. A candidate as bad as Trump being nominated by a major party is a rare event, signalling a major breakdown in that party's functionality and stability. In most elections, no serious candidate is bad enough to justify tactical voting on this scale, as tactical voting is harmful to the democratic process. I did not give such advice for the Obama/Romney election, and would not have in a Kasich/Clinton or Bush/Clinton or even Cruz/Clinton election. Trump is, literally, a greater class of bad.)
Thank god I can't vote I'd hate to chose between these two or a 3rd party that won't win
There's a part of me that wants to vote for trump just to see what would happen if he won. Kinda like when you save before declaring war on somebody in Crusader Kings 2. But there's no reloading saves irl so I probably won't.
[QUOTE=MasterKade;51016039]Lesser evil, prevents Trump from getting into office, more likely to win in comparison to third party candidates.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately the lesser evil paves the way to the greater evil. How do you think we got to this point in the first place? Lesser evil voting leads to rapidly increasing desperation on each side in turn and that's how you wind up with a Trump v. Clinton race. Guys I hate to sound like a defeatist here but the fact is we're [I]already[/I] fucked. Don't get me wrong, Clinton is definitely preferable to Trump, but in the long term it doesn't matter much. Regardless of who wins the presidency, the overall trajectory is the same. [QUOTE=benzinxrm;51016290]There's a part of me that wants to vote for trump just to see what would happen if he won. Kinda like when you save before declaring war on somebody in Crusader Kings 2. But there's no reloading saves irl so I probably won't.[/QUOTE] All anyone can ask of you is that you take your vote seriously. I hope you think very hard before casting a vote for someone like Trump, rather than just voting for him for the hell of it.
[QUOTE=mcharest;51016293]Unfortunately the lesser evil paves the way to the greater evil. How do you think we got to this point in the first place? Lesser evil voting leads to rapidly increasing desperation on each side in turn and that's how you wind up with a Trump v. Clinton race. Guys I hate to sound like a defeatist here but the fact is we're [I]already[/I] fucked. Don't get me wrong, Clinton is definitely preferable to Trump, but in the long term it doesn't matter much. Regardless of who wins the presidency, the overall trajectory is the same. All anyone can ask of you is that you take your vote seriously. I hope you think very hard before casting a vote for someone like Trump, rather than just voting for him for the hell of it.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but if someone gives me a choice to walk off of a cliff or walk into a fog that may or may not be hiding another cliff, I'm going into the fog every time because I'm not retarded enough to just walk from a fucking cliff while pretending to be surprised at the result. The choice does fucking matter as long as there's a bit chance of things not turning into absolute shit cake.
Now see my question is this: who's presidency would increase the demand for private security contractors, clinton and the usual shadow wars around the world or the post-apocalypse of trump's america
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