Australian Police - 10% of Firearms Seized are Homemade - Polidicks

[quote][t]http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/06/16/1226955/329605-home-made-guns.jpg[/t][t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Homemade-australian-submachinegun-improguns.jpg[/t] The new boss of the Firearms and Organized Crime Squad has [url=http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bikies-diy-arsenal-pistolpacking-western-sydney-a-handgun-hotspot/story-fni0cx12-1226955331948]revealed that at least 10% of firearms seized by police in NSW are homemade.[/url] “Supt Plotecki said there was anecdotal evidence that outlaw motorcycle gangs were targeting people who have the skills to make weapons. – Earlier this year a Hells Angel prospect was caught with a homemade Uzi that police believe was a prototype he was showing his prospective employers to impress them.” It’s funny to see that In the same article the anti-gun group ‘Gun Control Australia’ make the claim that “All guns start out legal •before they become illegal (via theft or rogue dealers)”. Certainly not standard tubing submachine guns made using plans readily available on the Internet, that’s for sure.[/quote] [url=http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/16/australian-police-10-firearms-seized-homemade/]The Firearm Blog[/url] If you click the link in the quote it leads to the Daily Telegraph where a few videos of these weapons being fired can be seen. By the way, something quiet interesting is occurring as well: It seems that the Australian bikie gangs are adopting their own machine gun patterns that appear to have adopted features of the Luty, M3 Grease Gun, and Blimp. I am not sure exactly why they are doing this, but most of the designs seem to be trying to make the firearms either lighter, or easier to produce. Either way... You Aussies really should think about giving these guys job to manufacture survival guns for your military. :v:

I bet a good portion of those guns function more like hand grenades than firearms

It's not surprising. An illegal handgun can go from $1k (.22lr target guns) to up to $6k (modern large calibre semi-automatics) here. Whereas anyone with a few months of machining experience can make an open bolt Mac-10 clone for a few hundred bucks and sell it for several thousand.

I hope this is no surprise. If I'm not mistaken Australias gun laws are pretty unreasonable. Hell you can't even own an airsoft gun.

[QUOTE=G-Wash;45182358]I bet a good portion of those guns function more like hand grenades than firearms[/QUOTE] Not really. With modern steels and low pressure cartridges (like handgun cartridges) it's pretty easy to engineer a safe handgun.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45182364]I hope this is no surprise. If I'm not mistaken Australias gun laws are pretty unreasonable. Hell you can't even own an airsoft gun.[/QUOTE] I'd rather bikies have home made crap than factory manufactured guns.

[QUOTE=Sio;45182378]I'd rather bikies have home made crap than factory manufactured guns.[/QUOTE] Honestly, their firearms put a lot of hobby gunsmiths in the United States to shame. [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/450137-bikie-machine-gun.jpg[/t][t]http://gunsnfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/australian-gangs-are-making-diy-machine-guns-despite-gun-ban.jpg[/t] [t]http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/11/15/1226760/983887-b86b77fc-4ccc-11e3-9491-1affab8972a4.jpg[/t][t]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P5h8lGe-Xuw/UO3zzrIDGlI/AAAAAAAAakY/rEzwzlMN8Fw/s1600/GUN++HOMEMADE+%23+1.jpg[/t] As time goes on it seems, more people are picking up the trade. It went from guys with power tools, manufacturing guns, to jewelry shop owners, people running auto shops, even people in gunsmithing industries in Australia, building machine guns on their spare time. What download has said is pretty true. If you can make a few thousand dollars out of something which costs two to three hundred dollars to manufacture, it's good money.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45182364]I hope this is no surprise. If I'm not mistaken Australias gun laws are pretty unreasonable. Hell you can't even own an airsoft gun.[/QUOTE] As much as it does annoy me that I can't own an airsoft, it's a small price to pay for safety. But yeah our gun laws are ridiculous. They make it insanely difficult just to get a gun license for clay shooting.

You can make a gun out of anything really, it's getting the ammunition that's hard But I'm willing to bet that's not hard either

Man these police officers would love to visit Chechnya.

[QUOTE=Rexxasaurus;45182401]As much as it does annoy me that I can't own an airsoft, it's a small price to pay for safety. But yeah our gun laws are ridiculous. They make it insanely difficult just to get a gun license for clay shooting.[/QUOTE] The safety argument I've never been entirely eye to eye with. If they were so concerned with people playing pretend they'd ban everything that even remotely resembles a weapon. Cap guns are still around and it wouldn't take a lot of work to make a convincing replica out of a toy.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45182408]The safety argument I've never been entirely eye to eye with. If they were so concerned with people playing pretend they'd ban everything that even remotely resembles a weapon. Cap guns are still around and it wouldn't take a lot of work to make a convincing replica out of a toy.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure they did at one point. iirc they were gonna ban sales of the Namco GunCon for the same reason.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45182364]I hope this is no surprise. If I'm not mistaken Australias gun laws are pretty unreasonable. Hell you can't even own an airsoft gun.[/QUOTE] Australian gun laws are fine. We got a gun license and it wasn't much of a pain in the ass. You can't own semi automatic or automatic rifles, but thats fine because in what situation would you actually need one? Bolt action rifles and Lever Actions are more than enough

[QUOTE=Araknid;45182479]Australian gun laws are fine. We got a gun license and it wasn't much of a pain in the ass. You can't own semi automatic or automatic rifles, but thats fine because in what situation would you actually need one? Bolt action rifles and Lever Actions are more than enough[/QUOTE] Hunting (hunting in this country is not for 'sport', it's for getting rid of as many feral animals as you can), self defence, a number of shooting sports. We can't even own semi-auto .22s for fuck sake. Personally I think we should have gun laws like New Zealand.

I love our gun laws, the reason people have to go to this length is because blackmarket firearms here in Australia are incredibly expensive.

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[QUOTE=Araknid;45182479]Australian gun laws are fine. We got a gun license and it wasn't much of a pain in the ass. You can't own semi automatic or automatic rifles, but thats fine because in what situation would you actually need one? Bolt action rifles and Lever Actions are more than enough[/QUOTE] You don't base this kind of thing on need. No one really [I]needs[/I] a gun at all, but that gives no reason to almost completely prevent people from owning them. What if I'd like my own semi-auto for firing at a range?

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45182515]You don't base this kind of thing on need. No one really [I]needs[/I] a gun at all, but that gives no reason to almost completely prevent people from owning them. What if I'd like my own semi-auto for firing at a range?[/QUOTE] If we banned everything on need everyone except tradies would be driving Smart cars. Tradies would have vans instead of V8 Commodores.

Which is why we don't restrict everything on need? We restrict things which pose an unacceptable risk to the user and the community. [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] unacceptable and [I]unpalatable[/I] risk mind you.

[QUOTE=download;45182546]If we banned everything on need everyone except tradies would be driving Smart cars. Tradies would have vans instead of V8 Commodores.[/QUOTE] For the record the word ban was a mispel of base.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45182515]You don't base this kind of thing on need. No one really [I]needs[/I] a gun at all, but that gives no reason to almost completely prevent people from owning them. What if I'd like my own semi-auto for firing at a range?[/QUOTE] It depends on the semi-auto. You'd have difficulty owning one, but firing one at a range. Sure, go nuts.

Garry needs to add these weapons to Rust

The fact these weapons are getting made shows that gun laws work - the black market is way too expensive, so they're starting to make their own shit (which will most probably be of inferior use).

[QUOTE=Sio;45182378]I'd rather bikies have home made crap than factory manufactured guns.[/QUOTE] I don't know about that champ. Factory made can be traced in some cases. Manufactured you can't. Factory made/distributed is easier to monitor and control. Blanket banning like this just forces thugs to play dirty. This has been proven to not work eg. Feudal Japan meant farmers/bandits would just make them. It solved nothing.

[t]http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/06/16/1226955/329605-home-made-guns.jpg[/t] "Aw Crikey, we got some fakin' flyin' guns here" No but seriously this guy's expression is priceless

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45182515]You don't base this kind of thing on need. No one really [I]needs[/I] a gun at all, but that gives no reason to almost completely prevent people from owning them. What if I'd like my own semi-auto for firing at a range?[/QUOTE] I'd really like a case of grenades for target practice; they need to be grenades because all of my targets fell into a ditch.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45183871] Would you rather criminals have A: a homemade weapon that's fully automatic, specifically designed to be rugged and reliable, and get the job done. Or B: a factory made weapon that's specifically designed to be semi-automatic, and has several features that prevent it from BEING fully automatic.[/QUOTE] are you literally arguing that supplying criminals with semiautomatic weapons would make them less dangerous because it would prevent them from having automatic ones?

[t]http://i.imgur.com/BAmQier.jpg[/t] Isn't that just a Charter Arms Explorer (or similar variant), an old .22 caliber AR-7-survival-rifle-cut-down-to-survival-pistol? [t]http://i.imgur.com/qsEw6Ft.jpg[/t]

There's a lot of Mac 10/11 styled firearms in these photos though. Are they really that simple?

[QUOTE=fishyfish777;45183981][t]http://i.imgur.com/BAmQier.jpg[/t] Isn't that just a Charter Arms Explorer (or similar variant), an old .22 caliber AR-7-survival-rifle-cut-down-to-survival-pistol? [t]http://i.imgur.com/qsEw6Ft.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Nope, everything is slightly different in the homemade gun. It could be a homemade copy though. [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] Homemade weapons are incredibly easy to make. You can make a break barrel .22lr out of a pellet gun and a few tools and parts with a few spare hours.