• What Even Matters Anymore - SNL
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[video]https://youtu.be/ZJkc_C5-Cd8[/video]
wonder how Alex "I'm going to break Alec Baldwin's neck" Jones is going to respond to this one this is actually kind of depressing, and people who do actually think that all hope is lost are by no means just actors in comedy skits
I ended up having this weird conversation with my Grandad about this situation or whatever after he asked if I was still going to Labour events at my uni. The situation in the UK is weird and crazy, but it's not as weird and crazy as the USA. But, I've found myself caring less and less about politics lately because with everything happening it feels like the only way to not go insane. I was thinking about this earlier today even, when my friend who's a paramedic mentioned that his pay in real terms has gone down every single year and it's looking like that's not going to change.
Just curious: does anyone actually find this funny ? Or is this on par for SNL writing 2016-2020 ?
[QUOTE=ghosevil;53071062]Just curious: does anyone actually find this funny ? Or is this on par for SNL writing 2016-2020 ?[/QUOTE] I just kinda thought it was depressing
holy shit is SNL a comedy skit show any more like this is literally just the "DRONGLE DRUMMMMMPF" joke as an actual 5 and a half minute sketch I mean I guess the comedy stems from the fact that a team of highly paid writers can't come up with anything more entertaining or creative than a tumblr post
[QUOTE=Bumbles;53071104]Honestly, SNL has been complete shit since the mid 90s. MadTV was always better for the most part.[/QUOTE] Isn't there a cycle with SNL where new mediocre people replace the existing actors -> people don't like it and swear to never watch new SNL -> the new actors become better over time -> people warm up to them -> repeat?
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53071230] like this is literally just the "DRONGLE DRUMMMMMPF" joke as an actual 5 and a half minute sketch [/QUOTE] remind me what that is again
MADtv has the benefit of not being live though.
SNL has a good skit once in a blue moon. Its mostly just been superseded by youtube/internet and dosen't seem that funny in comparison.
Eh, I feel like MadTV was really held back by some really terrible recurring character sketches.
I liked how the skit broke down at the end and called itself out for being a platform to broadcast political ideas and feelings. But also I found myself agreeing with it. I don't even think twice when crazy shit happens anymore. I just say "of course he did" and moving on with my day.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53071230]holy shit is SNL a comedy skit show any more like this is literally just the "DRONGLE DRUMMMMMPF" joke as an actual 5 and a half minute sketch I mean I guess the comedy stems from the fact that a team of highly paid writers can't come up with anything more entertaining or creative than a tumblr post[/QUOTE] It's funny how the only people that still say that "Drumpf" stuff are butthurt Trump supporters and people looking to criticize people who criticize the worst president in American history lol
[QUOTE=Bumbles;53071311]At times it did get old, too much Stewart, and that old asian women skit, but Coach Hines was absolutely god tier each time, or Will Sasso as Steven Seigal.[/QUOTE] you take that back Miss Swan is an American Treasure.
Keenan a make me laugh HO HO. I do relish the opportunity to [i]become[/i] Bernard.
Man they're taking this trump thing pretty hard
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53071230]holy shit is SNL a comedy skit show any more like this is literally just the "DRONGLE DRUMMMMMPF" joke as an actual 5 and a half minute sketch I mean I guess the comedy stems from the fact that a team of highly paid writers can't come up with anything more entertaining or creative than a tumblr post[/QUOTE] Why is it that Trump supporters get so flustered when people make fun of the president? I didn’t see this reaction to people making fun of Obama or even Bush
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53073083]Why is it that Trump supporters get so flustered when people make fun of the president? I didn’t see this reaction to people making fun of Obama or even Bush[/QUOTE] Because, by and large, Trump supporters have been suckered in on the promises of a snake oil salesman and they don't want to face the reality that he is not fit to run a country and is a horrible human being to boot.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53073083]Why is it that Trump supporters get so flustered when people make fun of the president? I didn’t see this reaction to people making fun of Obama or even Bush[/QUOTE] fun is one thing but there wasn't a good punchline for a whole 5 minutes, it was jokeless I love Nixon and I also love Dan Aykroyd's spot on impression because there's an actual joke, there's effort put in there's no effort in this sketch at all, literally just: "Boy we hate Donald Trump here at SNL." SNL's Jimmy Carter was really good, they played up the stoner bit really well, but again, there was a joke and an effort not just 100% writer mouthpiece for a whole skit Now mind you SNL has always had a problem with one note skits that go on too long, even with actors I like, particularly John Belushi's "Godfather in group therapy" skit went on forever. Maybe because I grew up watching nothing but Monty Python and Fawlty Towers episodes and 70's SNL tapes I have different taste but I'll be damned if I could find the actual humour here. [QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53073260]Because, by and large, Trump supporters have been suckered in on the promises of a snake oil salesman and they don't want to face the reality that he is not fit to run a country and is a horrible human being to boot.[/QUOTE] Well actually every time I read our dear leader's exploits on the morning news I beam a great big smile because I think he's doing a cracker jack job.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53071230]holy shit is SNL a comedy skit show any more like this is literally just the "DRONGLE DRUMMMMMPF" joke as an actual 5 and a half minute sketch I mean I guess the comedy stems from the fact that a team of highly paid writers can't come up with anything more entertaining or creative than a tumblr post[/QUOTE] i know from a previous interaction that you're conservative and you live in one of the most diehard, no doubt [I]rabid[/I] at times liberal states in the country and that must be very frustrating on a daily basis. I also know that liberal media and entertainment can get a little cringey and melodramatic, even verging into doomsaying in their attempts to draw comedy out of the current administration. I also know that there are things that I'd be willing to call out contemporary liberal candidates for, like Obama's handling of drone strikes and Clinton's use of feminism as a fucking sales tactic, among other things. Even as someone who nigh-unanimously votes liberal. I wonder if you can name something Trump has done that you despise. But you want to feverishly defend this guy? The guy who's apparently very eager to: -Disrespect Veterans, including McCain for "getting captured" -Brag about his own humility -Wage war against any negative press as fake while constantly spewing falsehoods small or otherwise -Come on to his own fucking daughter -Cheat on his wife -Vigorously perpetuate at least one debunked conspiracy -Use Hillary Clinton's supposed crimes and promises of prosecution to get elected and then entirely drop the subject once elected except as a distraction when the heat is on him -Do things like re-tweet a member of a UK nationalist organization (another member of which assassinated a fucking MP) because they posted a violent video he thought he could use as propaganda -Egg on violence at his rallies with gems like "I'll pay your legal bills" -Said in an interview that he could [I]never once in his entire life remember a time where someone criticized him and he took the critique to heart[/I] There's more but I genuinely can't remember all of it. It's ceaseless. If his politics are somehow magically lining right up with your's that's one thing, but how can you like [I]him?[/I] How can you be a cheerleader for this guy? Do you just think it's all a ploy? If it is, he's the single greatest actor on the face of the planet. Come on, dude. [editline]22nd January 2018[/editline] Also for the record, I liked this. It wasn't super [I]funny[/I] exactly, but it tapped into a pretty omnipresent feeling that this dude can get away with anything and his base won't think any less of him, his party won't bring consequences down on him. Puritans won't care if he's corrupt. The poor don't care if he's the definition of elitist. Conservative politicians will say once a week that they condemn Trump's actions and then meekly toe the party line when he demands something. Nothing goes anywhere, nothing has consequence.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;53073316]i know from previous interactions that [B]you're conservative and you live in one of the most diehard, no doubt [I]rabid[/I] at times liberal states in the country and that must be very frustrating on a daily basis[/B]. I also know that liberal media and entertainment can get a little cringey and melodramatic, even verging into doomsaying in their attempts to draw comedy out of the current administration. [/QUOTE] This is the reason mostly, even as a young child I had teachers mock me for the crime of being a Christian. Not a zealous Southboro Baptist kind of one, the "Hello sir could I offer you a free Bible today?" kind of one. As I grew up I was consistently mocked for having, by Facepunch standards no less, very moderate "conservative" beliefs. Not by my peers, no, by adults, people who were supposed to teach me empathy and respect and all the other human qualities saw fit to publicly shame a young man because of what he believed. This is my only experience of the modern American Left: cruelty, intolerance, and hatred. Day in and day out. And then they had the guts to turn around and say it was I and people like me that were evil by nature, that I because of my skin color, sex, and spiritual beliefs, that somehow I was preternaturally inclined to be an evil bigot, a racist. And every year the smugness, the absolute moral righteousness projected by these pedestal dwellers increased to new, heretofore unimaginable heights, every time I turned on the television or went to school I was reminded why I was evil because I am white, why I was a rapist because I am a man, and why I was stupid because I believe in God. And everyday I sought to be peaceable and amicable with people who disagreed with me but no amount of playing nice ever would change their opinion that I was just some redneck bible thumper, despite my residence in the same city as them and similar education. I support Trump because no matter who I support I would be ridiculed and isolated by the same people who preach inclusiveness. I would be mocked and hated even if I supported the most friendly, inoffensive, bipartisan candidate in the world. They pushed me for years and years, never letting up. And I responded in the only way they gave me. Even on here, with people devoting entire threads to supporting one another for their various causes and lifestyles, it is still very looked down upon to be even a little rightward leaning. Trump, I feel, is a rebuff to all the smugness, all the "I'm better than you." superiority that the left in my home state has come to cement as the current political discourse. The left in CA always spouted cooperation and tolerance and the "let's all get along" ideas, which is fine, brotherliness is great and I wish so much to work with different people, but it was these same people who rejected me as a proper member of society. Some even went as far to claim that because of my religious beliefs and political leaning that I should be not even be considered human.
I'm sorry that happened to you, I could never even imagine what that would be like. When I was a really little kid I supported George W. Bush because his name made me laugh, I was one of the only people that voted Republican in a play-election in elementary school, and then I went back on all of that when my sister told me he dropped a dog on his head, and now that I look that up again I can't find anything clarifying that he dropped it on its head. I didn't really understand it or care too deeply back then. But you're supporting a bastard because some other bastards treated you like a bastard. Some part of you has to know that that isn't right and that everyone liberal isn't like the people that bullied you while growing up. Extremists aside these issues liberals bring up are more complicated than "you're evil because you're white and you're a rapist because you're a man," at least with anyone worth having the discussion with. You can have whatever political views you want and I'm sure you have your reasons, but this guy is a [I]fucker. [/I]What he believes in is himself.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;53073391]I'm sorry that happened to you, I could never even imagine what that would be like. When I was a really little kid I supported George W. Bush because his name made me laugh, I was one of the only people that voted Republican in a play-election in elementary school, and then I went back on all of that when my sister told me he dropped a dog on his head, and now that I look that up again I can't find anything clarifying that he dropped it on its head. I didn't really understand it or care too deeply back then. But you're supporting a bastard because some other bastards treated you like a bastard. Some part of you has to know that that isn't right and that everyone liberal isn't like the people that bullied you while growing up. Extremists aside these [B][I]issues liberals bring up are more complicated than "you're evil because you're white and you're a rapist because you're a man," at least with anyone worth having the discussion with.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] I've had actual college professors say this to my face. It's not just personal antagonists I knew that hurled malice at me, it was everything on television and taught in school, every joke was at the expense of people like me, never the reverse in any major production for television or film. I was constantly reminded how much the world, according to California, despised people like me, how wretched I was for merely existing in their otherwise shining alabaster utopia. Even shows I liked and watched constantly had people like me as the cheap butt of the joke, Family Guy made modern Christians out to be violent book burners. The Simpsons? Hell just look at Ned Flanders. This goes beyond schoolyard bullies and kids being jerks, this was a 24/7 onslaught of hatred and bitterness that has robbed me of any empathy toward people, who now after so many years of cruelty and harsh words, wish we could all just get along. As if they themselves did not engage in bigoted, divisive language meant to shame people from thinking certain things or believing in certain ideas.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53073425]I've had actual college professors say this to my face. It's not just personal antagonists I knew that hurled malice at me, it was everything on television and taught in school, every joke was at the expense of people like me, never the reverse in any major production for television or film. I was constantly reminded how much the world, according to California, despised people like me, how wretched I was for merely existing in their otherwise shining alabaster utopia. Even shows I liked and watched constantly had people like me as the cheap butt of the joke, Family Guy made modern Christians out to be violent book burners. The Simpsons? Hell just look at Ned Flanders. This goes beyond schoolyard bullies and kids being jerks, this was a 24/7 onslaught of hatred and bitterness that has robbed me of any empathy toward people, who now after so many years of cruelty and harsh words, wish we could all just get along. As if they themselves did not engage in bigoted, divisive language meant to shame people from thinking certain things or believing in certain ideas.[/QUOTE] I don't think most people want to be villains. They want to be righteous, and in doing so they often designate a "bad guy." I don't enjoy a lot of modern conservative ideals, I'll be frank. My first draft of my first post here was a lot harsher before I dialed it back, feeling like it wouldn't get anywhere or have any point despite how angry I was. I think, I guess, a lot of liberals in the modern age blame conservative politics for a lot of perceived problems, and so they're the enemy. I'm sure that's a two-way-street, I'm not really a big fan of the idea of negatively generalizing large swathes of people under any circumstances, though. I've definitely heard it before that people are tired of being demonized for who they are or what they believe in, but this guy is making that problem worse, I think. Not to say that Clinton with her winning strategy of ignoring rural America wouldn't have, but I don't have to like her. This dude is just a hateful person who isn't interested in the ideas of anyone who doesn't want what he wants and only pays basic lip-service to the idea of moderation, of "hey, you shouldn't be scared, I'll represent all americans." Like I said before, if you happen to believe in his politics, I might disagree (vehemently, even) but that's your business. But liking him as a person... I just can't believe it. He's spiteful. Embarrassing. Elitist and wealthy, despite marketing himself as a man of the people. Insulting to our allies. Lies constantly about the smallest of things. People don't hate him for nothing, they hate him because he's an asshole. I dunno what to say. You have a pretty clear impassioned history with your personal politics and I don't know if I can blame you, but I don't hate Trump just because he's a conservative, I hate him for who he is as an individual, and what he represents. The divisive "fuck everyone else got mine, fight the enemy with no compromise" mindset. The us vs them. Like right now, some people are so preoccupied with hating Trump that they aren't willing to self-examine on the left, and I can't stand it. People are letting shitty sentiment slide because this guy is a such a distracting fuckbag and it often seems that nobody on the right is willing to vote to get rid of him or at least stop supporting him every step of the way. Not to say that it's solely Trump's fault that people aren't willing to be introspective, but his rhetoric doesn't help. Got into a bit of a winding rant, sorry. [editline]22nd January 2018[/editline] It's also kind of hard for me to even imagine a college professor earnestly arguing that you're evil because you're white or male, a modern college advocating for an idea so horrible is just alien to me. I know there's news and videos of that kind of thing every once in awhile, I just can't begin to relate.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53073425]I've had actual college professors say this to my face. It's not just personal antagonists I knew that hurled malice at me, it was everything on television and taught in school, every joke was at the expense of people like me, never the reverse in any major production for television or film. I was constantly reminded how much the world, according to California, despised people like me, how wretched I was for merely existing in their otherwise shining alabaster utopia. Even shows I liked and watched constantly had people like me as the cheap butt of the joke, Family Guy made modern Christians out to be violent book burners. The Simpsons? Hell just look at Ned Flanders. This goes beyond schoolyard bullies and kids being jerks, this was a 24/7 onslaught of hatred and bitterness that has robbed me of any empathy toward people, who now after so many years of cruelty and harsh words, wish we could all just get along. As if they themselves did not engage in bigoted, divisive language meant to shame people from thinking certain things or believing in certain ideas.[/QUOTE] You're letting negative interactions, real or perceived, dictate your entire world view. You're citing mass media as if it were some sort of constant psychological onslaught. Your Simpsons example is particularly laughable, as Flanders isn't always depicted negatively, and liberals are regularly made fun of in the form of Lisa and other characters like Mayor Quimby. Your reasoning for supporting Trump essentially boils down into a desire to hurt other people. That's flat out evil man. That's destructive and spiteful. All you've done is let yourself become the caricature of the man you so desperately want to insist that you aren't.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;53073618] Your reasoning for supporting Trump essentially boils down into a desire to hurt other people. That's flat out evil man. That's destructive and spiteful.[/QUOTE] You try being hated by everyone you know for almost 2 decades for no reason without coming out a little spiteful and bitter and wanting some modicum of payback. I fully admit being spiteful, I fully admit wanting revenge. I just remember that the foul word slinging began with the left of my state, Trump is merely the answer the right gave to the endless derision and perpetual hatred conveyed by the political left towards people like me.
This was a particularly heavy-handed episode for SNL.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53073661]You try being hated by everyone you know for almost 2 decades for no reason without coming out a little spiteful and bitter and wanting some modicum of payback.[/QUOTE]Did they think it was for no reason, or did they just get overzealous about their beliefs like people do all across the country? It doesn't even matter. Supporting a guy like this just because you like watching other people squirm isn't right, and you know it. It's verging on crazy, I'm sorry.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;53073671]Did they think it was for no reason, or did they just get overzealous about their beliefs like people do all across the country? It doesn't even matter. Supporting a guy like this just because you like watching other people squirm isn't right, and you know it. It's verging on crazy, I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] They didn't even think once about my feelings, about me as a fellow citizen, even as a fellow human being. What empathy can I show for those who afforded me none for my entire life.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53073677]They didn't even think once about my feelings, about me as a person a fellow citizen, even as a fellow human being. What empathy can I show for those who afforded me none for my entire life.[/QUOTE] But those are just some people you met. This is on a national scale, a worldwide scale.
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