Immigrants walk on highways to Calais pelting truckdrivers with rocks - General

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WuAGjBQX0A[/media] An insight in part of the current situation rarely seen in international media. The massive amounts taken in, result in complete incapability to maintain order. Not enough manpower to process immigrants, leads to them being impatient and trying to solve the waitinglists themselves. Nobody wins here. [b]Notable scenes:[/b] 1:59 ; Immigrants open driversdoor of a truck standing still on the highway. 2:16 ; Immigrants seeing if they can climb in trucks they're forcing to stop. 3:58 ; Massive group completely blocking 3-lane highway. 4:48 ; Truckdriver theatens to run over immigrants by steering into them 4 times. Immigrants respond by throwing bottles and rocks. 6:21 ; Riot police is trying to prevent more immigrants from walking onto the highway.

For every immigrant like these there's at least maybe another that isn't... you've got a lot of nerve posting this here pal.

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197212]For every immigrant like these there's at least maybe another that isn't... you've got a lot of nerve posting this here pal.[/QUOTE] I specifically said; an insight in PART of the situation. Nobody is claiming ALL the refugees are doing this, and if they are, then they're simply wrong. Sticking your head in the sand for problems that ARE present however, is not a viable solution either.

Gotta hand it to the driver, those are some dank tunes.

Somebody else pointed this out, why are they all men? Where are the women and children in need? These kinds of refugees are the absolute scummiest of scum, fuck them.

Love those youtube comments: [quote]We must hold those animals away from our borders! Long live Hungary, stronghold of european values! Western European Union is dead.•[/quote] [quote]good immigrant is a dead immigrant•[/quote] [quote]Fucking animals, and monsters. You all should rid them immediately. Fucking scum of the Earth. Gypsy's are the same as these people.•[/quote] Amazing.

The 5 minute mark. Driver is genuinely angry.

[QUOTE=0x0000000C;49197228]Somebody else pointed this out, why are they all men? Where are the women and children in need? These kinds of refugees are the absolute scummiest of scum, fuck them.[/QUOTE] Economic immigrants. No refugees. Refugees fleeing from war zones for their lives sake don't act like this.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;49197283]Economic immigrants. No refugees. Refugees fleeing from war zones for their lives sake don't act like this.[/QUOTE] A big part of the problem yes. [editline]28th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;49197248]Love those youtube comments: Amazing.[/QUOTE] I hate comments like these completely, since they stem from ignorance. However, you also can't ignore that they are also based in a political environment where peoples wishes are ignored because the politicians feel like they do not have to listen to their people, and can do whatever they want. What they say is inherantly wrong, and should be combatted through constructive discussion. However, I cannot fault them for venting their frustration. Albeit in the wrong way.

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;49197223]It just proves that not all the immigrants are worth helping if they're going to thank the hospitality of the countries with this[/QUOTE] I would take in a billion of these immigrants, if it meant I could help out a million real ones. I don't know where people get this sense of entitlement from. When you have so much, why not give it away to those that don't?

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197318]I would take in a billion of these immigrants, if it meant I could help out a million real ones. I don't know where people get this sense of entitlement from. When you have so much, why not give it away to those that don't?[/QUOTE] I don't understand your sense of entitlement either. What justifies you spending all our collective taxmoney on something that you personally think is a great idea. Share your own money with people you want to help, please. Honestly, you cannot convince me you wouldn't be able to support just one person that needs help if you'd just cut back on your expenses a bit. How many immigrants or people otherwise in need of help are currently living with you, that you're completely paying for?

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197318]I would take in a billion of these immigrants, if it meant I could help out a million real ones. I don't know where people get this sense of entitlement from. When you have so much, why not give it away to those that don't?[/QUOTE] How do you purpose how we take care of the other 99 Million immigrants that don't give a rat's ass about the countries they are staying in that case then? Seriously, there is not a single country on Earth who would manage to do that without completely collapsing onto itself.

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197212]For every immigrant like these there's at least maybe another that isn't... you've got a lot of nerve posting this here pal.[/QUOTE] Are you for real gonna keep saying that everything is just fine? fucking lol

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197318]I would take in a billion of these immigrants, if it meant I could help out a million real ones. I don't know where people get this sense of entitlement from. When you have so much, why not give it away to those that don't?[/QUOTE] That's kind of idiotic.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49197334]I don't understand your sense of entitlement either. What justifies you spending all our collective taxmoney on something that you personally think is a great idea. Share your own money with people you want to help, please. Honestly, you cannot convince me you wouldn't be able to support just one person that needs help if you'd just cut back on your expenses a bit. How many immigrants or people otherwise in need of help are currently living with you, that you're completely paying for?[/QUOTE] Wait what? Are you disagreeing with the idea that we should help some people out as a society and then go on and tell him he's not doing enough as an individual? That doesn't make any sense.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197364]Wait what? Are you disagreeing with the idea that we should help some people out as a society and then go on and tell him he's not doing enough as an individual? That doesn't make any sense.[/QUOTE] Well the irony here is that I'm opposed to immigration, yet I'm the one working my ass off in my sparetime in a refugeecenter in Nijmegen, Netherlands and that I've spent the last eight years, as a volunteer, helping people integrate succesfully. So yes, I am faulting him for not doing enough individually, and I am faulting him for wanting to spend collective money because he's SO convinced, yet when it comes to his personal time and money he chooses to do nothing.

His wording was stupid because most of the people are refugees and there are not that many of them, not compared to ~740 million people in Europe. [editline]27th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rumbler;49197372]Well the irony here is that I'm opposed to immigration, yet I'm the one working my ass off in my sparetime in a refugeecenter in Nijmegen, Netherlands and that I've spent the last eight years, as a volunteer, helping people integrate succesfully. So yes, I am faulting him for not doing enough individually, and I am faulting him for wanting to spend collective money because he's SO convinced, yet when it comes to his personal time and money he chooses to do nothing.[/QUOTE] We're talking a global issue here, this isn't an issue with him as an individual that's just irrelevant, the issue is with society. Do you think our government should do nothing and hope that rich people help out?

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197318]I would take in a billion of these immigrants, if it meant I could help out a million real ones. I don't know where people get this sense of entitlement from. When you have so much, why not give it away to those that don't?[/QUOTE] We do? Gosh, thats weird. Because it sure sounds like the refugees that came to my country are getting payed more for doing nothing than my parents are from working, and have a better house aswell, better conditions, and don't have to pay a dime. But hey, who gives a fuck about the people that are part of the country and were in need in the first place right? Who gives a fuck about actually fighting for your own country aswell? It's not like thats been done in the past either, like after WWII. Everyone who fled to other countries also was a massive douchebag and pelted rocks at other people. Who gives a fuck about anything at all? We got resources for a million, bring on a billion! Lmao. This is why you'd best stay away of managing anything at all. Because I'm pretty sure you'd hand over a job to a refugee that doesn't even speaks english instead of someone that actually has qualifications in whatever field you'd be in. All we have to blame for are the politicians tbh. They opened up arms, and gave false expectations that we'd be handing out freebies, so everyone came to the tune.

[QUOTE=kweh;49197395]We do? Gosh, thats weird. Because it sure sounds like the refugees that came to my country are getting payed more for doing nothing than my parents are from working, and have a better house aswell, better conditions, and don't have to pay a dime.[/QUOTE] Sounds like? Did you hear your parents co-worker or something mutter that or do you actually have good reason to believe this is the case in all of Europe for the majority of refugees? As in sources?

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49197334]I don't understand your sense of entitlement either. What justifies you spending all our collective taxmoney on something that you personally think is a great idea. Share your own money with people you want to help, please. Honestly, you cannot convince me you wouldn't be able to support just one person that needs help if you'd just cut back on your expenses a bit. How many immigrants or people otherwise in need of help are currently living with you, that you're completely paying for?[/QUOTE] I happily share my money when I pay taxes, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for everyone because I'm not the 1%... The whole point of taxes is for the government to help all people, especially in 2015. Hell, if we cut our military spending we could easily house a billion+ immigrants with better housing than I have, but we're instead we're too busy being racist because say half or a majority of refugees aren't good people. I guess Voltare's law "[I]It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" [/I]suddenly stopped existing.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197377]His wording was stupid because most of the people are refugees and there are not that many of them, not compared to ~740 million people in Europe. [editline]27th November 2015[/editline] We're talking a global issue here, this isn't an issue with him as an individual that's just irrelevant, the issue is with society.[/QUOTE] Not that many? It's all relative yes, but I'm not sure if you've travelled through Sweden a bit in your life but I dare you to walk into cities like Rosengard, Gothenberg etc. as a white native Swede and go see how succesful integration has been there and how welcoming they are. As long as we don't solve the issues you'll be exposed to there, I don't even want 10.000 more people with an equal or comparible culture to enter Europe. The segregation will intensify, or at least will be kept at a stable level which is problematic and therefor not advisable.

Euro truck simulator 2 update for Calais soon then?

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197400]Sounds like? Did you hear your parents co-worker or something mutter that or do you actually have good reason to believe this is the case in all of Europe for the majority of refugees? As in sources?[/QUOTE] Sources are my own two eyes and ears who've seen both that and also refugees criticizing Portugal for not giving them enough. (as if we have a lot) [editline]27th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=std DONOR;49197403]I happily share my money when I pay taxes, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for everyone because I'm not the 1%... The whole point of taxes is for the government to help all people, especially in 2015. Hell, if we cut our military spending we could easily house a billion+ immigrants with better housing than I have, but we're instead we're too busy being racist because say half or a majority of refugees aren't good people. I guess Voltare's law "[I]It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" [/I]suddenly stopped existing.[/QUOTE] Then I guess you don't live in the same world as everyone else, where you think everything works as it should.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49197407]Not that many? It's all relative yes, but I'm not sure if you've travelled through Sweden a bit in your life but I dare you to walk into cities like Rosengard, Gothenberg etc. as a white native Swede and go see how succesful integration has been there and how welcoming they are. As long as we don't solve the issues you'll be exposed to there, I don't even want 10.000 more people with an equal or comparible culture to enter Europe. The segregation will intensify, or at least will be kept at a stable level which is problematic and therefor not advisable.[/QUOTE] Yeah it will intensify because of xenophobic people who are too busy going "not my problem, I refuse to help" to work together to integrate these people and take care of them. They're running from a war-zone and you are refusing to help them because of things you've heard.

[QUOTE=std DONOR;49197403]I happily share my money when I pay taxes, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for everyone because I'm not the 1%... The whole point of taxes is for the government to help all people, especially in 2015. Hell, if we cut our military spending we could easily house a billion+ immigrants with better housing than I have, but we're instead we're too busy being racist because say half or a majority of refugees aren't good people. I guess Voltare's law "[I]It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" [/I]suddenly stopped existing.[/QUOTE] I'm not the 1% either. But you don't get to conveniently pretend like only money can help and therefor you can't do anything. Don't you realize that immigrants need a stable social connection first and foremost? They need help filling out paperwork, and they need help figuring out what country they just came into. Someone who explains the culture, rules, laws and all that. As long as you are not volunteering any effort, you are not in a position to criticize anyone or to demand that the collective pays for anything I'm sorry to say. The point of taxes is to pay for the collective needs of the tax[b]payers[/b]. It's namely the taxpayers who by social-contract given up their sovereignity to a government to take decisions on their behalf. The point of taxes is not, for a club of people to make promises like "We will only take in 5.000 and use your taxes for that" and then 6 months later there's 50.000 people here who we're suddenly paying for. Dutch people paid those taxes to keep the welfare system going, to keep up the level of education we have and the reality is now that we're cutting back on all of those, and that's we're taking in a massive amount of expensive immigrants. Voltares law is not a law like the law of gravity is. It's a philosophical concept. Why you would even refer to this, is completely beyond me. Look up what non-sequitor means please.

[QUOTE=kweh;49197413]Sources are my own two eyes and ears who've seen both that and also refugees criticizing Portugal for not giving them enough. (as if we have a lot)[/QUOTE] And have you been in every country, in every city, in every refugee camp or even half of them, or even 1%? How can you judge everybody based on what you've seen with your own two eyes and heard with your own ears?

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197426]Yeah it will intensify because of xenophobic people who are too busy going "not my problem, I refuse to help" to work together to integrate these people and take care of them. They're running from a war-zone and you are refusing to help them because of things you've heard.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm sorry but rubbish like this completely disqualifies you as a discussionalpartner. Did you not just read that I am volunteering my time at refugeeshelters, and that I've been actively helping to integrate people for the last 8 years? They're not running from a warzone from the point they're coming to Western countries. They are, or even have been in safe countries for quite some time, at the point they come to Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands. Most of them travel through Turkey actually, and most of the fake passports are bought there as well.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49197431]And have you been in every country, in every city, in every refugee camp or even half of them, or even 1%? How can you judge everybody based on what you've seen with your own two eyes and heard with your own ears?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure I talked about Portugal and not Europe, but judging from this thread [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1495168[/url] Things aren't really going as intended, further proving what I said. Or, what? Is this yet another situation where we're gonna ignore every single newspiece about refugees because it paints them in a bad image and claim it as conservative right wing propaganda that wants to keep "dem mussie immigants" out of their country?

Scratch that, Turkey is taking care of more refugees than any other country in Europe.

So you're saying that every refugee should stay in Turkey and Europe should take none?