John Boehner on debt talks. 'Obama created the "crisis" atmosphere.' WARNING: Liberally biased. - Polidicks

[release]House Speaker John Boehner accused President Obama Monday night of [b]creating a "crisis atmosphere" in negotiations over increasing the debt limit, saying that if the president will simply sign House legislation to increase the debt limit that atmosphere "will simply disappear."[/b] Boehner made his remarks following a prime time address by Mr. Obama, who he suggested "wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today." "That is just not going to happen," Boehner said. [b]With just eight days remaining before the August 2 deadline, when the Obama administration says the United States will breach its legal limit on borrowing, Boehner was defiant in his remarks, suggesting that House Republicans have passed one bill and will this week pass another that would alleviate the crisis.[/b] The speaker left out some important context, however. [b]The bill that has already passed - the 'Cut, Cap, and Balance' Act - would require deep cuts in entitlement programs, and it is virtually unthinkable that it could pass the Democrat-led Senate. And the bill he says will be passed this week is no sure thing, with Conservative Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, leader of a fiscal conservative faction, saying he opposes the new bill and that "only a Balanced Budget Amendment will actually solve our debt problems."[/b] CBSNews.com special report: America's debt battle The new Republican bill involves a two step process that begins with immediate cuts and caps in discretionary spending, potentially saving $1.2 trillion over a decade. In exchange, the debt ceiling would be raised by less than $1 trillion, enough to last the nation through the end of the year. The spending caps would trigger automatic across-the-board spending cuts if not met. The House GOP plan then creates a 12-member "Joint Committee of Congress" that would additionally identify $1.6 to $1.8 trillion in deficit reduction over a decade. The House and Senate would consider those savings in an up-and-down vote, without amendments. If the plan passes, President Obama could then request a separate, $1.6 trillion debt limit increase. [b]The president and Senate Democrats have ruled out that plan, however, saying that the short-term increase it requires would create economic uncertainty and potentially result in the United States losing its triple-A credit rating.[/b] Boehner said in his remarks that "the United States cannot default on its debt obligations," echoing Mr. Obama and Democrats' insistence that the debt limit be raised. But he cast the president and his party as unwilling to compromise by passing the House GOP legislation, saying [b]"the president would not take yes for an answer."[/b] [b]"Even when we thought we might be close on an agreement, the president's demands changed," Boehner said, a possible reference to Mr. Obama's call for greater revenues as part of a "grand bargain" deal that would have reduced the deficit by up to $4 trillion. Boehner walked away from that effort Friday.[/b] Of Mr. Obama's call for a "balanced" approach in the debt limit deal - one that includes both spending cuts and revenue increases - Boehner said it amounts to Washington-speak for "we spend more, you pay more." "The solution to this crisis is not complicated: if you're spending more money than you're taking in, you need to spend less of it," he said. "There is no symptom of big government more menacing than our debt. Break its grip, and we begin to liberate our economy and our future." Boehner's speech follows a Senate Democratic proposal to increase the debt limit through the end of next year in conjunction with a bill that cuts spending by $2.7 trillion. Critics note that $1 trillion in those cuts come from expected savings from winding down the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. [b]Democrats say that plan meets both Republican objectives - it does not include revenue increases and cuts more in spending than the debt limit increase - and thus Republicans are faced with a deal they "can't refuse." Boehner described that deal as "filled with phony accounting and Washington gimmicks" Monday. [/b] The Obama administration has said that without congressional action, the U.S. will breach its limit on borrowing next Tuesday. That could cause the U.S. to default on its debt as well as a host of other negative outcomes, including the suspension of Social Security checks, military pay and other obligations, and potentially cause global financial chaos.[/release] [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20083270-503544.html[/url] They think that passing a constitutional amendment sounds so easy.

so obama created the atmosphere and the GOP created the crisis cool

Lets start pointing fingers at whos fault it is that our country collapsed before it even happened.

[QUOTE=Fort83;31340013]My god we only have a week to turn this around[/QUOTE] If you think the tension is high for the markets of other countries, it's even higher here, especially in a debt-ridden state like California. [editline]25th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;31340030]Lets start pointing fingers at whos fault it is that our country collapsed before it even happened.[/QUOTE] Did you not read what Boehner said? He's basically saying that Obama and Democrats asking for anything in return if they allow their deep spending cuts into social services is a "blank check". He's lost it entirely.

Seriously, what the fucking hell. Does that shitstain even know what he is doing? IMO the two parties should stop being little bitches and pull the country out of this pit before the damage is irreversible. But no, those fucking republicunts are trying to one-up the democrats, even if it means putting the country at great risk

Republican hypocrisy knows no bounds. These idiots voted for a debt ceiling increase over and over again for Bush without a single word of protest. Now, for no other reason than to make a Democratic president look bad, they've decided to create a "crisis" out of thin air by refusing to do their fucking jobs and carry out a bit of routine bookkeeping.

President Eisenhower had this to say long ago in a letter to his brother [quote] Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.[/quote] How times have changed.

Well, he's still right about the stupid part.

[QUOTE=Glitch360;31340065]Seriously, what the fucking hell. Does that shitstain even know what he is doing? IMO [B]the two parties should stop being little bitches[/B] and pull the country out of this pit before the damage is irreversible. But no, those fucking republicunts are trying to one-up the democrats, even if it means putting the country at great risk[/QUOTE] I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Democrats are doing the best they fucking can.

These people are caricatures of the United States' government that give the country and good, honest politicians like Obama who are actually trying to do their jobs and avert a financial crisis with worldwide repercussions a bad name.

[QUOTE=MercZ;31340179]President Eisenhower had this to say long ago in a letter to his brother How times have changed.[/QUOTE] next time glaber posts a thread I can just do this "You are stupid" ~ Dwight Eisenhower

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31340202]I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Democrats are doing the best they fucking can.[/QUOTE] The Republicans are also doing the best "they fucking can" as well, it's just that the conflicting views of each party cannot make a compromise. Republicans don't want an increase to taxes and Democrats don't want cuts to social services. So both parties are pretty much acting like bitches, the Republicans need to accept increases to taxes and Democrats (specifically the House of Representatives Democrats) need to accept cuts to social services, and other portions of the budget as well. Anyways I liked the suggestion by the Senate Democrats, it had lots of cuts in it but I also think it mentioned something about closing tax loopholes. Representative Republicans don't want that though, although it seems to be a very fair compromise for both parties and I think it had larger cuts than what they (the Representative Republicans) proposed.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;31341433]The Republicans are also doing the best "they fucking can" as well, it's just that the conflicting views of each party cannot make a compromise. Republicans don't want an increase to taxes and Democrats don't want cuts to social services. So both parties are pretty much acting like bitches, the Republicans need to accept increases to taxes and Democrats (specifically the House of Representatives Democrats) need to accept cuts to social services, and other portions of the budget as well.[/quote] But the Democrats did finally propose a bill that had cuts to several areas of the budget, including some social service, but less than the Republicans proposed. [QUOTE=Antdawg;31341433]Anyways I liked the suggestion by the Senate Democrats, it had lots of cuts in it but I also think it mentioned something about closing tax loopholes. Representative Republicans don't want that though, although it seems to be a very fair compromise for both parties and it had larger cuts than what they (the Representative Republicans) proposed.[/QUOTE] So you just called the Democrats bitches for not wanting to cut social services (Note: This is not being a bitch) at the beginning of your post, but knew that they had already made a proposal with cuts and no tax hikes? Yeah, I'm sure Republicans are doing the best they can by turning down a fair deal when compromises are made for them and making none of their own in return.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;31341433]The Republicans are also doing the best "they fucking can" as well, it's just that the conflicting views of each party cannot make a compromise. Republicans don't want an increase to taxes and Democrats don't want cuts to social services. So both parties are pretty much acting like bitches, the Republicans need to accept increases to taxes and Democrats (specifically the House of Representatives Democrats) need to accept cuts to social services, and other portions of the budget as well. Anyways I liked the suggestion by the Senate Democrats, it had lots of cuts in it but I also think it mentioned something about closing tax loopholes. Representative Republicans don't want that though, although it seems to be a very fair compromise for both parties and it had larger cuts than what they (the Representative Republicans) proposed.[/QUOTE] Democrats have been offering up more and more cut's into social services yet the republicans still won't accept it and still somehow convince their fox news viewing supporters that the democrats want to spend more even though that is a complete lie.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31341511]But the Democrats did finally propose a bill that had cuts to several areas of the budget, including some social service, but less than the Republicans proposed. So you just called the Democrats bitches for not wanting to cut social services (Note: This is not being a bitch) at the beginning of your post, but knew that they had already made a proposal with cuts and no tax hikes? Yeah, I'm sure Republicans are doing the best they can by turning down a fair deal when compromises are made for them and making none of their own in return.[/QUOTE] Senate Democrats are not Representative Democrats, as an American you should know yourself that the House of Representatives and Senate are two different houses in Congress. The Representative Democrats are being bitches but the Senate Democrats are actually being smart. [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Thom12255;31341535]Democrats have been offering up more and more cut's into social services yet the republicans still won't accept it and still somehow convince their fox news viewing supporters that the democrats want to spend more even though that is a complete lie.[/QUOTE] The Republicans (both houses) don't really like anything to do with touching taxes, if the Senate Democrats suggestion does indeed address the issue of tax loopholes, the Representative Republicans won't support it (for some reason); although I'm sure Senate Republicans were fine with it, because it doesn't actually raise taxes.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;31341542]Senate Democrats are not Representative Democrats, as an American you should know yourself that the House of Representatives and Senate are two different houses in Congress. The Representative Democrats are being bitches but the Senate Democrats are actually being smart.[/QUOTE] The House Democrats have already agreed to support Reid's proposal if brought up in the House, it's the Republicans that keep turning it down.

Well done, John Boehner. Also I have no idea what the guy had to say about Obama. If we have a election of a Republican president, we're going to have the next bus ride to hell.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31341614]The House Democrats have already agreed to support Reid's proposal if brought up in the House, it's the Republicans that keep turning it down.[/QUOTE] Well that's an interesting development, I haven't actually seen any news about the House Democrats response to that suggestion yet. But if what you're saying is true, then that's good, although of course the Republicans control the House of Representatives so that really wont do much in the end. Although it is still rather surprising the House Republicans won't accept the suggestion yet as there are no actual increases to taxes with it, it's pretty much the Democrats submitting to the Republicans.

[QUOTE=lolo;31341664]Well done, John Boehner. Also I have no idea what the guy had to say about Obama. If we have a election of a Republican president, we're going to have the next bus ride to hell.[/QUOTE] After this shit the Republican party is on the fast track to no longer being a political party. If the United States defaults because of fucking bullshit bureaucracy and we go into another major depression you'll never see another Republican anything.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;31341673]Well that's an interesting development, I haven't actually seen any news about the House Democrats response to that suggestion yet. But if what you're saying is true, then that's good, although of course the Republicans control the House of Representatives so that really wont do much in the end. Although it is still rather surprising the House Republicans won't accept the suggestion yet as there are no actual increases to taxes with it, it's pretty much the Democrats submitting to the Republicans.[/QUOTE] Then that throws your whole argument out the window. It wouldn't even matter how "bitchy" House Democrats are, because House Republicans are the ones who control the House. Them turning it down is the deciding factor here.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31341716]Then that throws your whole argument out the window. It wouldn't even matter how "bitchy" House Democrats are, because House Republicans are the ones who control the House. Them turning it down is the deciding factor here.[/QUOTE] Pretty much does make my argument redundant, gotta admit. I just haven't noticed the House Democrats say anything in support of the Senate Democrats proposal.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;31341744]Pretty much does make my argument redundant, gotta admit. I just haven't noticed the House Democrats say anything in support of the Senate Democrats proposal.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you admit that, but House Democrats still hold little sway in deciding whether it passes the House. [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] If I can get a source on them supporting Senate Democrat's proposal, I'll let you know.

What clouds go in this atmosphere?(what oh wrong type of atmosphere? Ah) So what will GOP rage about next?

[QUOTE=Map in a box;31341819]What clouds go in this atmosphere?(what oh wrong type of atmosphere? Ah) So what will GOP rage about next?[/QUOTE] This is no laughing matter, my friend.

Jesus Christ, the way he said that sounds exactly like blackmail. "You're making us hurt you, if you wanted to get better you would do what we want."

I wonder where is Boba_Fett

Like I said in the other topics, good game america, the Republicans have finally snapped and will drive your country to ruin.