Netanyahu: Israel's government will fall if settlement freeze continues - Polidicks

[B]Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has conditioned upgrading to direct negotiations with Israel on a continued halt on West Bank construction.[/B] [url]http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-israel-s-government-will-fall-if-settlement-freeze-continues-1.304671#[/url] [quote=Haaretz]Continuing the construction freeze in West Bank settlements after it expires on September 26 would be impossible politically and would bring down the coalition, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Moratinos in Jerusalem on Wednesday. Moratinos told Netanyahu that the European Union's position was that Israel should continue the freeze. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has conditioned direct talks with Israel on a continued construction freeze. Jerusalem will be closely monitoring the deliberations of the Arab League foreign ministers meeting today in Cairo. A subcommittee on the Arab peace initiative is expected to announce its continued support for indirect talks between Israel and the Palestinians, giving Arab League backing for Abbas' decision not to begin direct talks with Israel. The Palestinian position is that as long as no progress is made in the indirect talks there is no point in beginning direct talks. Palestinian sources told Haaretz that Abbas seeks unequivocal clarifications from the United States that the framework for direct talks will include a declaration that the Palestinian state will be based on the June 4, 1967 borders and that border adjustments will be based on exchanges of territory. The PA also wants an Israeli declaration that the construction freeze in the settlements will continue and that construction in East Jerusalem will stop. Although the PA can expect criticism of its position from the United States and even some Arab states it appears to be more worried at present about losing popularity on the Palestinian street if it were to resume direct talks with Israel now. During yesterday's meeting Netanyahu reportedly told Moratinos that the Palestinians' conditions for renewing direct talks are unrealistic. He also told the Spanish foreign minister that only after a final-status agreement is reached will it be possible to drum up sufficient public support in Israel to push it through. Trying to do so now would bring down the ruling coalition and damage the peace process, Netanyahu said. Several senior Palestinian and Arab officials have indicated that Abbas will tell the Arab League foreign ministers today that indirect talks with Israel should continue. But Moratinos told Netanyahu, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and President Shimon Peres that Abbas during their meeting in Amman on Tuesday that he was leaning toward agreeing to the resumption of direct talks. Moratinos said Abbas only needs to feel that he has the support of the Arab League for his decision. [/quote] :wtc: So an elected government will fall if it discontinues breaking international law, sounds like Israel. Telling Israel to discontinue illegal settlement expansion is not asking for blood jesus christ.

Come on Israel stop being a cunt now. :colbert:

It's funny how you make fools of yourselves by talking about stuff you really don't understand. I've told you already that for Netanyahu to continue the settlement freeze is political suicide which will lead to an immediate end to his political career. Let me try to explain so maybe next time you won't make such fools of yourselves: Israel's political system is a multiparty system where each citizen must vote to one party, then after all votes are calculated, seats in the Knesset are assigned to each party based on the percentage of votes they received, so if one party got 10% of the votes, usually they'll get 10% of the total seats in the Knesset, which is 12/120. In order to form a government, a party must band together with other parties to have at least of 61 seats. The current coalition is: The Likud party leading with 27 seats, the Yisrael Beitenu party behind it with 15 seats, the Labor party with 13 seats, the Shas party with 11 seats, and the Jewish Home party with 3 seats, which brings us to a total of 69 seats. At any time one of these parties can resign from the coalition, which would bring the number to below the necessary 61 (except for the Jewish Home party which won't make much of a difference). This could happen because of disagreements with the government's policies or decisions, which basically means that Netanyahu has to appease the parties in his coalition if he wants to stay PM. Continuing the settlement freeze will give the Yisrael Beitenu no choice but to resign from the coalition, since they're a far-right party and basically all the settlers vote to it and they rely on them for their political strength. Not protesting against the freeze is for them also a political suicide, and against their agenda (since they're all racist bigots). This system gives the minority more power than it's supposed to have, which means less political stability (it's not so common for a PM to stay in office for the 4 years he's given) but more representation (since the minorities have more power to express their views and needs).

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23704993]It's funny how you make fools of yourselves by talking about stuff you really don't understand. I've told you already that for Netanyahu to continue the settlement freeze is political suicide which will lead to an immediate end to his political career. Let me try to explain so maybe next time you won't make such fools of yourselves: Israel's political system is a multiparty system where each citizen must vote to one party, then after all votes are calculated, seats in the Knesset are assigned to each party based on the percentage of votes they received, so if one party got 10% of the votes, usually they'll get 10% of the total seats in the Knesset, which is 12/120. In order to form a government, a party must band together with other parties to have at least of 61 seats. The current coalition is: The Likud party leading with 27 seats, the Yisrael Beitenu party behind it with 15 seats, the Labor party with 13 seats, the Shas party with 11 seats, and the Jewish Home party with 3 seats, which brings us to a total of 69 seats. At any time one of these parties can resign from the coalition, which would bring the number to below the necessary 61 (except for the Jewish Home party which won't make much of a difference). This could happen because of disagreements with the government's policies or decisions, which basically means that Netanyahu has to appease the parties in his coalition if he wants to stay PM. Continuing the settlement freeze will give the Yisrael Beitenu no choice but to resign from the coalition, since they're a far-right party and basically all the settlers vote to it and they rely on them for their political strength. Not protesting against the freeze is for them also a political suicide, and against their agenda (since they're all racist bigots). This system gives the minority more power than it's supposed to have, which means less political stability (it's not so common for a PM to stay in office for the 4 years he's given) but more representation (since the minorities have more power to express their views and needs).[/QUOTE] I think people know that, either way it doesn't reflect well on Israel and its people who put these sort of groups in place.

Hmm. Evict people from their homes, piss off the world and generally be a tremendous asshat. Or, lose my job The choice!! it's so difficult!! :derp:

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23704993][b]It's funny how you make fools of yourselves by talking about stuff you really don't understand.[/b] I've told you already that for Netanyahu to continue the settlement freeze is political suicide which will lead to an immediate end to his political career. Let me try to explain so maybe next time you won't make such fools of yourselves: Israel's political system is a multiparty system where each citizen must vote to one party, then after all votes are calculated, seats in the Knesset are assigned to each party based on the percentage of votes they received, so if one party got 10% of the votes, usually they'll get 10% of the total seats in the Knesset, which is 12/120. In order to form a government, a party must band together with other parties to have at least of 61 seats. The current coalition is: The Likud party leading with 27 seats, the Yisrael Beitenu party behind it with 15 seats, the Labor party with 13 seats, the Shas party with 11 seats, and the Jewish Home party with 3 seats, which brings us to a total of 69 seats. At any time one of these parties can resign from the coalition, which would bring the number to below the necessary 61 (except for the Jewish Home party which won't make much of a difference). This could happen because of disagreements with the government's policies or decisions, which basically means that Netanyahu has to appease the parties in his coalition if he wants to stay PM. Continuing the settlement freeze will give the Yisrael Beitenu no choice but to resign from the coalition, since they're a far-right party and basically all the settlers vote to it and they rely on them for their political strength. Not protesting against the freeze is for them also a political suicide, and against their agenda (since they're all racist bigots). This system gives the minority more power than it's supposed to have, which means less political stability (it's not so common for a PM to stay in office for the 4 years he's given) but more representation (since the minorities have more power to express their views and needs).[/QUOTE] bahahahahhaahha

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23706073]I think people know that, either way it doesn't reflect well on Israel and its people who put these sort of groups in place.[/QUOTE] Maybe a few, but judging on their comments, it doesn't seem like starpluck or bravehat know all that. It's a shame that Tzipi Livni (the leader of Kadima, with 28 seats) didn't agree to form a coalition under Netanyahu, but you can see how embarrassing it would be for her to not lead the coalition while she has more seats. [editline]05:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;23706268]Hmm. Evict people from their homes, piss off the world and generally be a tremendous asshat. Or, lose my job The choice!! it's so difficult!! :derp:[/QUOTE] Politicians, what can you do?

Kill them, and get new ones, and kill all the ones who fuck up.

[QUOTE=bravehat;23706400]Kill them, and get new ones, and kill all the ones who fuck up.[/QUOTE] Sounds kind of brutal, and who's to say the new ones will be any better?

We replace them with a sentient AI. what could go wrong

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23706409]Sounds kind of brutal, and who's to say the new ones will be any better?[/QUOTE] That's where the second part comes in :v: Keep killing them til a good one shows up. Or I suppose you could send them to prison or just kick them out. Either way thee people run countries and effect the entire world with their actions, there is no time for mistakes.

You better be trolling bro.

If Hitler was dismissed by the chancellor of Germany world war 2 would have never happened, albeit the situation was far more complex than that, but still. When people in power of a nation are in power, there can't be mistakes because it's not a small thing, it decides the fate of thousands or millions of people.

No, it clearly shows who's more serious and willing for peace talks. Netanyahu is scared "he's going to lose power" which is not an excuse.

I actually propose a massive gangrape of the entire Israeli government

Once again I am ashamed at my country.:eng99:

[QUOTE=BagMinge101;23706624]I actually propose a massive gangrape of the entire Israeli government[/QUOTE] Nah, I think toppling the Israeli regime is better. The after effects would be better as well, no racism, discrimination and more safety. [editline]05:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=loled;23706637]Once again I am ashamed at my country.:eng99:[/QUOTE] I remember you. Nice to see an Israeli non-nationalist on FP who can actually contribute non biased sane views.

I think it's getting sad how Abbas keeps lowering his ultimatum for Netanyahu. Wasn't the ultimatum stopping all settlement construction, now it's just construction in the West Bank?

I don't get why he won't give direct peace talks a chance. What's the worse that can happen?

Explosions everywhere

[QUOTE=markfu;23707248]Explosions everywhere[/QUOTE] That happens every 2.5 years or so anyway.

We should go to Israel after they fall and claim the land in the name of Garry Newman.

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23706874]I think it's getting sad how Abbas keeps lowering his ultimatum for Netanyahu. Wasn't the ultimatum stopping all settlement construction, now it's just construction in the West Bank?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=starpluck;23359493]Abbas and Netanyahu are placed into a small room with a suitcase containing $100,000 of cash. The owner of the suitcase offers them the following: "I'll give you all the money in the suitcase, but only on the condition that you negotiate and reach an amicable agreement on its division. That’s the only way I will give you the money. " Abbas, who is a rational person, appreciates the golden opportunity presented to him and turns to Netanyahu with the obvious suggestion: "Come, you take half the amount, I'll take the other half, and each of us will go away with $50,000." To his surprise, Netanyahu with a serious look on his face and a determined voice says: "Listen, I do not know what your intentions are with the money, but I'm not leaving this room with less than $90,000. Take it or leave it. I’m fully prepared to go home with nothing." Abbas can not believe his ears. What happened to Netanyahu? he thinks to himself. Why should he get 90%, and I only 10%? He decides to try to talk to Netanyahu. "Come, be reasonable," he pleads. "We're both in this together, and we both want the money. Come let’s share the amount equally and we’ll both come out ahead.” But the reasoned explanation of his friend does not seem to register on Netanyahu. He listens attentively to Abbas words, but then declares even more emphatically, "There is nothing to discuss. 90-10 or nothing, that's my final offer!" Abbas face turns red with anger. He wants to smack Netanyahu across his face, but soon reconsiders. He realizes that Netanyahu is determined to leave with the majority of the money, and that the only way for him to leave the room with any money is to surrender to Netanyahu blackmail. He straightens his clothes, pulls out a wad of bills from the suitcase in the amount of $10,000, shakes hands with Netanyahu and leaves the room looking forlorn. This case in Game Theory is called the “Blackmailer Paradox." The paradox emerging from this case is that the rational Abbas is eventually forced to act clearly irrationally, in order to gain the maximum available to him. The logic behind this bizarre result is that Netanyahu broadcast total faith and confidence in his excessive demands, and he is able to convince Abbas to yield to his blackmail in order for him to receive the minimum benefit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23704993]It's funny how you make fools of yourselves by talking about stuff you really don't understand. I've told you already that for Netanyahu to continue the settlement freeze is political suicide which will lead to an immediate end to his political career. Let me try to explain so maybe next time you won't make such fools of yourselves: Israel's political system is a multiparty system where each citizen must vote to one party, then after all votes are calculated, seats in the Knesset are assigned to each party based on the percentage of votes they received, so if one party got 10% of the votes, usually they'll get 10% of the total seats in the Knesset, which is 12/120. In order to form a government, a party must band together with other parties to have at least of 61 seats. The current coalition is: The Likud party leading with 27 seats, the Yisrael Beitenu party behind it with 15 seats, the Labor party with 13 seats, the Shas party with 11 seats, and the Jewish Home party with 3 seats, which brings us to a total of 69 seats. At any time one of these parties can resign from the coalition, which would bring the number to below the necessary 61 (except for the Jewish Home party which won't make much of a difference). This could happen because of disagreements with the government's policies or decisions, which basically means that Netanyahu has to appease the parties in his coalition if he wants to stay PM. Continuing the settlement freeze will give the Yisrael Beitenu no choice but to resign from the coalition, since they're a far-right party and basically all the settlers vote to it and they rely on them for their political strength. Not protesting against the freeze is for them also a political suicide, and against their agenda (since they're all racist bigots). This system gives the minority more power than it's supposed to have, which means less political stability (it's not so common for a PM to stay in office for the 4 years he's given) but more representation (since the minorities have more power to express their views and needs).[/QUOTE] sensationalism ahoy [editline]09:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23706914]I don't get why he won't give direct peace talks a chance. What's the worse that can happen?[/QUOTE] He would have to treat Palestinians like humans he doesn't want to do that.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23704993]It's funny how you make fools of yourselves by talking about stuff you really don't understand. I've told you already that for Netanyahu to continue the settlement freeze is political suicide which will lead to an immediate end to his political career. Let me try to explain so maybe next time you won't make such fools of yourselves: Israel's political system is a multiparty system where each citizen must vote to one party, then after all votes are calculated, seats in the Knesset are assigned to each party based on the percentage of votes they received, so if one party got 10% of the votes, usually they'll get 10% of the total seats in the Knesset, which is 12/120. In order to form a government, a party must band together with other parties to have at least of 61 seats. The current coalition is: The Likud party leading with 27 seats, the Yisrael Beitenu party behind it with 15 seats, the Labor party with 13 seats, the Shas party with 11 seats, and the Jewish Home party with 3 seats, which brings us to a total of 69 seats. At any time one of these parties can resign from the coalition, which would bring the number to below the necessary 61 (except for the Jewish Home party which won't make much of a difference). This could happen because of disagreements with the government's policies or decisions, which basically means that Netanyahu has to appease the parties in his coalition if he wants to stay PM. Continuing the settlement freeze will give the Yisrael Beitenu no choice but to resign from the coalition, since they're a far-right party and basically all the settlers vote to it and they rely on them for their political strength. Not protesting against the freeze is for them also a political suicide, and against their agenda (since they're all racist bigots). This system gives the minority more power than it's supposed to have, which means less political stability (it's not so common for a PM to stay in office for the 4 years he's given) but more representation (since the minorities have more power to express their views and needs).[/QUOTE] ITT: Make a valid point that does not reflect your opinion - Rate Dumb.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;23713607]ITT: Make a valid point that does not reflect your opinion - Rate Dumb.[/QUOTE] He's saying the entire government will collapse if Netanyahu doesn't stay in power that's a fucking valid point?

[QUOTE=Warhol;23713692]He's saying the entire government will collapse if Netanyahu doesn't stay in power that's a fucking valid point?[/QUOTE] What I'm saying is that Netanyahu's government will fall and there will be re-elections where he will most certainly lose, so he doesn't want to risk it. [editline]12:23AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;23713315]He would have to treat Palestinians like humans he doesn't want to do that.[/QUOTE] You do realize I talked about Abbas in that post, right?

So Netanyahu is a bigger prick then I thought... mahmoud abbas has fucking been open for peace talks for the longest time, the fuck are you on? [editline]10:36PM[/editline] Netanyahu is the war hungry prick that's REFUSING to see eye to eye with the Palestinians.

[QUOTE=Warhol;23714886]So Netanyahu is a bigger prick then I thought... mahmoud abbas has fucking been open for peace talks for the longest time, the fuck are you on? [editline]10:36PM[/editline] Netanyahu is the war hungry prick that's REFUSING to see eye to eye with the Palestinians.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/abbas-resisting-direct-talks-with-israel-despite-obama-pressure-1.304780[/url] "[B]Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is continuing to resist efforts to move to direct peace negotiations with Israel,[/B]" wat?

First of all, the source is horrendous. Even though you use it pretty much all the time, which is unsurprising. Second of all, you're fucking illiterate [quote]"When I receive written assurances [about] accepting the 1967 border and halting the settlement [building], I will go immediately to the direct talks," Abbas was quoted as saying in remarks reported by Egypt's state-owned news agency Thursday. [/quote]