Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..
[QUOTE=Ironic Man;40334753]Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..[/QUOTE]
Maybe if people didn't feel the need to take advantage of others there would be less rape too.
And maybe people should be able to have fun without having to worry about getting sexually assaulted.
[QUOTE=Ironic Man;40334753]Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..[/QUOTE]
wow, first post? jesus christ.
people should be able to have a good time without fearing they will be sexually or violently abused.
[QUOTE=Ironic Man;40334753]Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..[/QUOTE]
yeah how dare u enjoy thing
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40334864]Maybe if people didn't feel the need to take advantage of others there would be less rape too.
And maybe people should be able to have fun without having to worry about getting sexually assaulted.[/QUOTE]
Well to me it looks like she was kissing back, leading him on...
And I don't care how 'fun' it is public drunkeness is a serious problem.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40335010]wow, first post? jesus christ.
people should be able to have a good time without fearing they will be sexually or violently abused.[/QUOTE]
having a good time (about 6 minutes in)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_8UhKK5wNE[/media]
I'm not sure if these advertisments will have much of an effect on people who rape.. they're kind of scumbags with very limited morals who won't be won over by being convinced what the right thing to do is.
Most reasonable and good people already know not to rape.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40336242]I'm not sure if these advertisments will have much of an effect on people who rape.. they're kind of scumbags with very limited morals who won't be won over by being convinced what the right thing to do is.
Most reasonable and good people already know not to rape.[/QUOTE]
most people aren't very reasonable when they're piss drunk
Is the target audience really going to watch an eight-minute slow-paced infomercial?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;40336270]most people aren't very reasonable when they're piss drunk[/QUOTE]
I'm still having a hard time seeing how this would be rape, or how a court would be able to differentiate between her wanting it or not.
It's not a nice thing to take advantage of someone while their drunk but I don't think its rape if they don't try to somehow let you know they don't want to go through with something. Most of the time things just happen on their own.
I could easily say someone raped me when I was drunk if I regretted having sex with said person after I sobered up.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;40336270]most people aren't very reasonable when they're piss drunk[/QUOTE]
My buddies love seeing me drunk, I'm like the chillest guy ever, I do less harm while being drunk :v:
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40334864]
And maybe people should be able to have fun without having to worry about getting sexually assaulted.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40335010]
people should be able to have a good time without fearing they will be sexually or violently abused.[/QUOTE]
Maybe people should have some fucking moderation and common sense; this world isn't a land filled with sunshine and whether you like or not there will be people with malicious intensions. Sure I believe people should have fun,
but of course isn't there some glimmer of rationality or realization that if one were to continually inebriate themselves to a point near unconsciousness that something bad is bound to happen?
Not to say that she deserved it or anything like that, but at least have it in mind that being at such a debilitated state is a risk in many other hazards than just being raped. That being said, a friend should always help be a
prevention to these dangers if getting detrimentally drunk is such a sport to someone.
[QUOTE=Pbox;40335044]yeah how dare u enjoy thing[/QUOTE]
How can you enjoy being so drunk that you don't remember anything? Also, the guy seems pretty drunk, too.
If both parties are blackout drunk, who is the victim?
yeah what, is it just me or this video kind of ambiguous? the guy was portrayed like some shady pervert guy and the girl was supposed to be like victimized and helpless, but there wasn't a lot of not consenting going on and I don't get how it was rape or sexual assault.
I don't mean to be insensitive or anything, I just feel that maybe I don't understand fully
-snip i am an idiot-
[QUOTE=Ironic Man;40334753]Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..[/QUOTE]
Wow what. DON'T RAPE makes more sense than DON'T GET RAPED.
[QUOTE=Eric95;40337632]What's the point of this? Rapists aren't going to stop raping just because you tell them not to[/QUOTE]
did you even watch it? how thick do you have to be to not notice that this video is clearly not about stopping the kind of rapist who would beat you up and have his or her way with you in an alleyway at random, it's about preventing the kind of rape that happens on nights out... like is portrayed exactly in the video
the video even ends with the message "who are you?". it's about spotting a potential rape situation and stopping it before it begins, either by seeing when someone is being taken advantage of because they're hammered, or by seeing when [I]you[/I] are taking advantage of someone when they're hammered
at no point was this video attempting to tell aggressive rapists to "stop raping"
[QUOTE=Ironic Man;40334753]Maybe if people didn't feel they needed to get blackout drunk to have a good time there would be less rapes too..[/QUOTE]
I don't know why this post is getting dumbed. People getting black out drunk is hardly ever good and it DOES lead to rapes. While its true that anyone should be able to have a good time without the fear of getting sexually abused, its just the world we live in and its an unfortunate fact. Just like how you wouldn't leave your car full of expensive equipment unlocked in a street, you shouldn't be getting black out drunk at a club where this can happen.
I love this video though. I'm a big fan of campaigns against rape and such, and I feel this ones really good. I find rape disguisting and the more ads raising awareness for it and what can be done against it the better, imo.
[editline]19th April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=heathendevil;40336797]yeah what, is it just me or this video kind of ambiguous? the guy was portrayed like some shady pervert guy and the girl was supposed to be like victimized and helpless, but there wasn't a lot of not consenting going on and I don't get how it was rape or sexual assault.
I don't mean to be insensitive or anything, I just feel that maybe I don't understand fully[/QUOTE]
Drunk people sometimes get to a point where they simply don't know whats going on. While this might not be 'rape', its clearly taking advantage of someone. Its meant to build awareness to help young girls like this avoid being in these situations.
I don't think she was black out drunk, she was fine in on scene then 15 seconds later she was acting all crazy. I'm pretty sure, they were referring to her getting drugged not dunk. Pre-hard hitting commercial, when you realize how a little thing you do can mean the world to someone, in this case not being sexually assaulted.
what was the music
oh my god it was so good and then he shut the door and it stopped WHAT WAS THAT MUSIC
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40335010]people should be able to have a good time without fearing they will be sexually or violently abused.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40334864]Maybe if people didn't feel the need to take advantage of others there would be less rape too.
And maybe people should be able to have fun without having to worry about getting sexually assaulted.[/QUOTE]
And I shouldn't be afraid of getting mugged/beaten when walking though dark alleys. But that doesn't mean I'm just gonna ignore the risk and do it anyway. If you drink till blacking out you're putting yourself in a dangerous situation. You shouldn't be afraid that people will take advantage of you, but the reality is different. So as long as there are people who would take advantage of you, you've got to be mindful, responsible and cautious. You can't say "it shouldn't be that way" and act like it doesn't exist.
Also lol at getting physical with a random stranger for walking with a drunk girl. That situation is detached from reality. What the fuck would you do if some guy started shoving you around when you're walking/kissing with your (drunk) girlfriend/wife (and you're drunk yourself)? Yeah that's not gonna escalate quickly...
Twas a dramatization, Hiruty.
Some of the "in-between" bits were cut out for brevity, and it is very possible to drink enough to be like the girl in this video if youre not careful
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;40338061]I don't know why this post is getting dumbed. People getting black out drunk is hardly ever good and it DOES lead to rapes. While its true that anyone should be able to have a good time without the fear of getting sexually abused, its just the world we live in and its an unfortunate fact. Just like how you wouldn't leave your car full of expensive equipment unlocked in a street, you shouldn't be getting black out drunk at a club where this can happen.
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Because it's pointless victim blaming.
[QUOTE=heathendevil;40336797]yeah what, is it just me or this video kind of ambiguous? the guy was portrayed like some shady pervert guy and the girl was supposed to be like victimized and helpless, but there wasn't a lot of not consenting going on and I don't get how it was rape or sexual assault.
I don't mean to be insensitive or anything, I just feel that maybe I don't understand fully[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40336783]How can you enjoy being so drunk that you don't remember anything? Also, the guy seems pretty drunk, too.
If both parties are blackout drunk, who is the victim?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40336540]I'm still having a hard time seeing how this would be rape, or how a court would be able to differentiate between her wanting it or not.
It's not a nice thing to take advantage of someone while their drunk but I don't think its rape if they don't try to somehow let you know they don't want to go through with something. Most of the time things just happen on their own.
I could easily say someone raped me when I was drunk if I regretted having sex with said person after I sobered up.[/QUOTE]
you guys are gross, did you watch the video? you think that she's capable of consenting or that the dudes just as drunk?
Woah, since when does society regard "getting piss drunk and sleeping with a random person" as rape?
Last time I checked rape was when you forced yourself onto someone who definitely does not want to have sex or isn't aware of what's going on. The commercial maybe fails to imply the actual rape strongly enough, but I really hope they don't seriously intend to label this sort of behavior as rape. Because if I had to guess, 75% of all sex happens while piss drunk with little memory and regrets afterwards.
It's rape to have sex with a person that is blacked out, but if a person takes another home being drunk with obvious intentions to have sex and doesn't resist the sex then it's called "SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN A GUY HOME PISS DRUNK IN ORDER HAVE SEX WITH HIM". I mean, how is the "rapist" supposed to know that his partner doesn't want to have sex if he actually acts like he wants to have sex?
Oh well, they should have shown her blacked out or resisting more clearly, it's propably just bad cinnematography.
[QUOTE=H4ngman;40339096]Woah, since when does society regard "getting piss drunk and sleeping with a random person" as rape?
Last time I checked rape was when you forced yourself onto someone who definitely does not want to have sex or isn't aware of what's going on. The commercial maybe fails to imply the actual rape strongly enough, but I really hope they don't seriously intend to label this sort of behavior as rape. Because if I had to guess, 75% of all sex happens while piss drunk with little memory and regrets afterwards.
It's rape to have sex with a person that is blacked out, but if a person takes another home being drunk with obvious intentions to have sex and doesn't resist the sex then it's called "SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN A GUY HOME PISS DRUNK IN ORDER HAVE SEX WITH HIM".[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the same video as I did because that's clearly a rape and she is clearly completely out of it. If you're stumbling and being lead around by a dude it's pretty clear that you're not capable of consenting. The dude in this example is leading her around everywhere and visually less intoxicated (not that it matters, but in this case he's clearly perpetrating).
[QUOTE=Ironic Man;40336180]Well to me it looks like she was kissing back, leading him on...
And I don't care how 'fun' it is public drunkeness is a serious problem.[/QUOTE]
She actually didnt lead him on or kiss back really. She was just so drunk that she couldnt think straight and reject him, but her body language said "no".
Gonna go back to these:
[QUOTE=heathendevil;40336797]yeah what, is it just me or this video kind of ambiguous? the guy was portrayed like some shady pervert guy and the girl was supposed to be like victimized and helpless, but there wasn't a lot of not consenting going on and I don't get how it was rape or sexual assault.
I don't mean to be insensitive or anything, I just feel that maybe I don't understand fully[/QUOTE]
She's being lead around by a person and is clearly intoxicated far beyond any reasonable doubt.
[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40336783]How can you enjoy being so drunk that you don't remember anything? Also, the guy seems pretty drunk, too.
If both parties are blackout drunk, who is the victim?[/QUOTE]
The victim's the victim in that case, but hey lets not bring up any straw arguments and lets talk about this video. In this video there's a very clear perpetrator and victim.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40336540]I'm still having a hard time seeing how this would be rape, or how a court would be able to differentiate between her wanting it or not.
It's not a nice thing to take advantage of someone while their drunk but I don't think its rape if they don't try to somehow let you know they don't want to go through with something. Most of the time things just happen on their own.
I could easily say someone raped me when I was drunk if I regretted having sex with said person after I sobered up.[/QUOTE]Just because the court may not rule it a rape / not have the evidence doesn't disqualify it as one. And yeah, she's very clearly incapable of consent in this video. And once again lets not bring up straw arguments about things that aren't happening (and never do), I just want to discuss the video.
[QUOTE=D3TBS;40339298]She actually didnt lead him on or kiss back really. She was just so drunk that she couldnt think straight and reject him, but her body language said "no".[/QUOTE]
This is probably why people think that alcohol = rape, you cant think straight when you are flat out drunk and you cant judge situations too well. The guy mabye thought that since she got home with him it was all green for sex.
Tbh. I fucking hate girls that gets home with you then just flat out refuses having sex with you, like, why did you even follow me home? To cuddle?
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40336242]I'm not sure if these advertisments will have much of an effect on people who rape.. they're kind of scumbags with very limited morals who won't be won over by being convinced what the right thing to do is.[/QUOTE]
well, guess what: happily, similar adverts in Edmonton [I]do[/I] seem to have helped.
[URL]http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/01/08/rape-prevention-aimed-at-rapists-does-work/[/URL]
it's a blog post, but it links to sources and hopefully gets the point across succinctly.
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