Legal Experts: Pence May Now Be Implicated in Obstruction of Justice - Polidicks

[url]https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/legal-experts-pence-may-now-be-implicated-in-obstruction-of-justice/[/url] [QUOTE]Vice President Mike Pence could be implicated in certain crimes related to the circumstances surrounding the firing of former FBI Director James Comey, according to legal experts focused on the case. One of those crimes may be obstruction of justice. Professor Jed Shugerman, who teaches at Fordham Law School, took to Twitter over the weekend after news broke that Pence received a copy of the original draft letter outlining President Donald Trump’s reasons for firing Comey. According to the New York Times‘ reporting, that letter was drafted by senior adviser Stephen Miller, contained thoughts from the president, ran multiple pages long and read like a “screed.” Its submission was argued against by White House counsel Donald F. McGahn II who criticized its tone. McGahn won out and the original letter was not given to Comey. A copy was given to deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, who then wrote the letter outlining the official justification for Comey’s firing. According to Shugerman, Pence’s knowledge of the original letter opens him up to charges on three felonies: (1) conspiracy to commit the obstruction of justice; (2) aiding and abetting the obstruction of justice; (3) and misprision of a felony.[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/jedshug/status/903793371831050241[/media]

Imagine how absolutely crazy it would be if every one of these rumors of crimes in the white house actually are true and got shitcanned for it was even watergate this insane

[QUOTE=J!NX;52647493]Imagine how absolutely crazy it would be if every one of these rumors of crimes in the white house actually are true and got shitcanned for it was even watergate this insane[/QUOTE] Watergate doesn't hold a candle stub to what's going on in the White House right now, if a damning accusation gets made.

If he goes down with Trump I'll be fucking ecstatic.

Life in prison with no possibility of parole is the only appropriate sentence for anybody implicated in this historic betrayal of the American people.

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;52647506]If he goes down with Trump I'll be fucking ecstatic.[/QUOTE] Too damn right. Previously, the situation would still have been shitty since Pence would have taken the reins. After all, Vice Presidents succeed the President if the President is dead in office or otherwise unfit for duty. But if both of them are locked away or put to sleep, BEFORE Pence has the opportunity to choose a successor, then in theory that leaves the Oval Office vacant. If such an event were to occur, what would happen next? Would we get an emergency election where it's anybody's game? Would the ruling party scramble to find a new President? Or would the States end up under martial law until the 2020 election?

Start printing out your President Hatch masks

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52647518]Life in prison with no possibility of parole is the only appropriate sentence for anybody implicated in this historic betrayal of the American people.[/QUOTE] BDA, I told you, you can make this so much shorter and so much more satisfying to say. Fuck you, jail!

[QUOTE=ironman17;52647534]Too damn right. Previously, the situation would still have been shitty since Pence would have taken the reins. After all, Vice Presidents succeed the President if the President is dead in office or otherwise unfit for duty. But if both of them are locked away or put to sleep, BEFORE Pence has the opportunity to choose a successor, then in theory that leaves the Oval Office vacant. If such an event were to occur, what would happen next? Would we get an emergency election where it's anybody's game? Would the ruling party scramble to find a new President? Or would the States end up under martial law until the 2020 election?[/QUOTE] There's a very long line of succession. I don't know who is in line right after the Vice President, but someone will take over if both President and Vice President are unfit to lead.

[QUOTE=ironman17;52647534]Too damn right. Previously, the situation would still have been shitty since Pence would have taken the reins. After all, Vice Presidents succeed the President if the President is dead in office or otherwise unfit for duty. But if both of them are locked away or put to sleep, BEFORE Pence has the opportunity to choose a successor, then in theory that leaves the Oval Office vacant. If such an event were to occur, what would happen next? Would we get an emergency election where it's anybody's game? Would the ruling party scramble to find a new President? Or would the States end up under martial law until the 2020 election?[/QUOTE] no, the lines of succession just keeps going down the ladder.

I think the speaker of the house is next in line. [editline]4th September 2017[/editline] fuck my merge

My biggest hope right now is that pence goes down with Trump as well and the whole adminstration goes down. GOP wont survive the next election thats for sure.

I doubt it'll ever get as far as prison or even a trial. There might be a hearing or something and maybe a resignation from both of them. No jail time though. If it's so easy for a rich white college boy to get out of going to prison, imagine how easy it'll be for a politician of this stature.

[quote]If it's so easy for a rich white college boy to get out of going to prison, imagine how easy it'll be for a politician of this stature.[/quote] Would be easy if he was rich (he isn't) or had political capital (he's already spent so much he's in political debt). No, I think Trump has no legs to stand on. Pence - he might be able to worm his way out from under this though as he's had the sense to shut up and not speak about things that harm his political capital so far through this presidency. He's taken a hit here or there - but he's in pretty great shape considering the simultaneously sinking, rotting, combusting, and boiling ship that Trump's put himself on.

[t]http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/201612/2016-12-14T02-59-30-1Z--1280x720.video_1067x600.jpg[/t] Trump: The reason why this is happening Pence: Possibly implicated as we learn in this thread Ryan: Implicated if the "we're a family" comments indicating he knew about Russian connections a [I]year[/I] before inauguration turn out to be true Hatch: No known implications to Russia, respected longest-sitting senator, would likely become President if the Russia dominoes come down everywhere Tillerson: No known implications but his job could be at risk given his boss and the sorry state of the current State department Mnuchin: No known conflicts but has been clashing with Trump and other members of the Cabinet Mattis: What everyone wants because they trust him to return Adult Supervision to the executive branch.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52647596][t]http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/201612/2016-12-14T02-59-30-1Z--1280x720.video_1067x600.jpg[/t] Trump: The reason why this is happening Pence: Possibly implicated as we learn in this thread Ryan: Implicated if the "we're a family" comments indicating he knew about Russian connections a [I]year[/I] before inauguration turn out to be true Hatch: No known implications to Russia, respected longest-sitting senator, would likely become President if the Russia dominoes come down everywhere Tillerson: No known implications but his job could be at risk given his boss and the sorry state of the current State department Mnuchin: No known conflicts but has been clashing with Trump and other members of the Cabinet Mattis: What everyone wants because they trust him to return Adult Supervision to the executive branch.[/QUOTE] I hope the democrats have suffice plot power.

[QUOTE=Adelle Zhu;52647566]I doubt it'll ever get as far as prison or even a trial. There might be a hearing or something and maybe a resignation from both of them. No jail time though. If it's so easy for a rich white college boy to get out of going to prison, imagine how easy it'll be for a politician of this stature.[/QUOTE] Pence and Ryan might see justice, albeit like 30 years from now when they've ceased to be relevant. Trump is an exceedingly crappy old butterball who may or may not have brain damage though so he can just go for time-outs

one would hope after all this is over we would finally commit ourselves to enacting strong oversight, election finance laws, and more to strengthen the laws around conflict of interest, but then we could easily slip into a crony state instead if pence trump and ryan go down and some cabinet level person gets stuck in the WH

People are setting their expectations crazy high with this stuff, I've seen people talking about the entire Republican congressional caucus going to prison for christ's sake

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52647666]People are setting their expectations crazy high with this stuff, I've seen people talking about the entire Republican congressional caucus going to prison for christ's sake[/QUOTE] Its gonna be election night 2.0 if Mueller doesn't find anything.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52647682]Its gonna be election night 2.0 if Mueller doesn't find anything.[/QUOTE] You mean when more than half the nation decided on anyone other than golden boy Trump?

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52647682]Its gonna be election night 2.0 if Mueller doesn't find anything.[/QUOTE] There's a grand jury somewhere there, no-knock FBI raids, not to mention the fucking IRS criminal investigations unit is on Muellers team. I dare say he's found something, right now I imagine it's more about making the case as airtight as possible to keep the bloated orange bag of gas from getting through the cracks.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52647682]Its gonna be election night 2.0 if Mueller doesn't find anything.[/QUOTE] We're staring down the barrel of the greatest betrayal of the American people in US history, but hyuck, those libs sure are mad.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52647682]Its gonna be election night 2.0 if Mueller doesn't find anything.[/QUOTE] Funny you say that as a diversion over Trump's blatant corruption and (most likely) treasonous actions. Not like you can come up with any other response other than "Lol liberals are mad! :^)" so keep doing what you do and nobody will continue to take you seriously.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52647596][t]http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/201612/2016-12-14T02-59-30-1Z--1280x720.video_1067x600.jpg[/t] Trump: The reason why this is happening Pence: Possibly implicated as we learn in this thread Ryan: Implicated if the "we're a family" comments indicating he knew about Russian connections a [I]year[/I] before inauguration turn out to be true Hatch: No known implications to Russia, respected longest-sitting senator, would likely become President if the Russia dominoes come down everywhere Tillerson: No known implications but his job could be at risk given his boss and the sorry state of the current State department Mnuchin: No known conflicts but has been clashing with Trump and other members of the Cabinet Mattis: What everyone wants because they trust him to return Adult Supervision to the executive branch.[/QUOTE] I can't believe the executive producer of Suicide Squad has the potential to be president.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52647761]We're staring down the barrel of the greatest betrayal of the American people in US history, but hyuck, those libs sure are mad.[/QUOTE] I love how /pol/ calls everything they dont agree with or leftist as being "cucked" while supporting a guy thats been cucking them and the entired country from the start. Some just dont want to admit to that they were fooled by an con artists. It's sad how Trump and this entire "situation" is probably going to end up romaniticized just like pablo escobar in future hollywood movies.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52647761]We're staring down the barrel of the greatest betrayal of the American people in US history, but hyuck, those libs sure are mad.[/QUOTE] Youre getting yourself worked up over a rando law professor speculating. It goes to show that people wont take an innocent outcome to this investigation if Mueller doesnt find anything.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52647801]Youre getting yourself worked up over a rando law professor speculating. It goes to show that people wont take an innocent outcome to this investigation if Mueller doesnt find anything.[/QUOTE] Would you accept the conclusion of this if Mueller does find something?

The phrase "drain the swamp" should be turned into an ironic chant against this fetid mess of an administration.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52647811]Would you accept the conclusion of this if Mueller does find something?[/QUOTE] Yup