Canada Post issues lockout notice. Lockout starts Friday, July 8th.
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[url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-lockout-notice-1.3664710[/url]
[quote]Canada Post said it intends to lock out its workers starting on Friday after months of negotiations have failed to make a labour deal between the postal carrier and its largest union.[/quote]
If you get bills by mail you better hope they get here before Friday.
Luckily I just got 2 checks from Trudeau's pockets today.
I aint need nothin from the postal man for a good while
For the record, the union and employees want to keep working through negotiations - Canada Post is the one planning on locking them out. They're doing this as a strongarm tactic because they know the general public is going to blame those gosh-darn lazy government workers instead of learning about what's actually going on.
As an outsider, what I've gleaned from the article is that the union is unhappy about being shifted to a different pension plan where payouts are not guaranteed, and this is partly due to poor performance of the pension fund. Is this right?
Well, luckily the only important thing I get by mail is my car insurance cards so unless this lasts months I should be fine. And my insurance provider can send those electronically, and they've used this event to make aware of that service.
Too bad, the NDP won't be able to rescue them this time.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50652681]For the record, the union and employees want to keep working through negotiations - Canada Post is the one planning on locking them out. They're doing this as a strongarm tactic because they know the general public is going to blame those gosh-darn lazy government workers instead of learning about what's actually going on.[/QUOTE] and it's working if you go to any CBC new article about it and go to comet section most people are getting mad at the workers
[editline]6th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50652890]Too bad, the NDP won't be able to rescue them this time.[/QUOTE]
the fucking hell does this mean?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50652681]For the record, the union and employees want to keep working through negotiations - Canada Post is the one planning on locking them out. They're doing this as a strongarm tactic because they know the general public is going to blame those gosh-darn lazy government workers instead of learning about what's actually going on.[/QUOTE]
Conservatives spend the last 10 years tearing away the rights that my grandmother protested for on the streets decades ago, and now people are shitting on people like my mother and her coworkers for trying to hold onto the few rights they have left. So fucking frustrating to watch.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50652804]As an outsider, what I've gleaned from the article is that the union is unhappy about being shifted to a different pension plan where payouts are not guaranteed, and this is partly due to poor performance of the pension fund. Is this right?[/QUOTE]
That's one issue, another is the disparity in pay between rural and urban postal workers.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50653529]the fucking hell does this mean?[/QUOTE]
Surely you remember the first 100 days when the NDP under Jack Layton was in the opposition, they attempted to filibuster a bill that would force the end of CP lock-out and impose arbitration. This isn't the first time CP is locked out. Just like the previous one, the liberals will force them back to work.
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50653665]Just like the previous one, the liberals will force them back to work.[/QUOTE]
They've been quite adamant that they're not going to intervene.
I'm so fucking pissed about this and the fact that Trudeau isn't going to do anything to prevent it. The last time Canada Post locked out their workers even Stephen Harper came in and said no you can't do this you're disrupting Canada. Trudeau is not a leader, he's a fucking pushover who only cares about photo opportunities and is completely out of touch with average Canadians. Everyone who voted for him should be ashamed.
I'm pissed about it because I'm going to Korea to be an English teacher. I need to send documents off to the Korean consulate in Vancouver to get them notarized so I can apply for a work visa. The consulate only accepts shit that's sent in through Canada Post, and I live far enough away from Vancouver that it's a massive inconvenience for me to go get this done in person. If this shit doesn't end quickly, I could be working at McDonald's in September (contributing nothing to the economy because every cent I make will either go to taxes or student loan payments) when rightfully I should be in Korea.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;50654474]The last time Canada Post locked out their workers even Stephen Harper came in and said no you can't do this you're disrupting Canada.[/QUOTE]
And then the Supreme Court ruled that what he did was unconstitutional.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50652681]For the record, the union and employees want to keep working through negotiations - Canada Post is the one planning on locking them out. They're doing this as a strongarm tactic because they know the general public is going to blame those gosh-darn lazy government workers instead of learning about what's actually going on.[/QUOTE]
Jesus really? This entire time I thought that they were going on strike.
Explains why the attitude of the Canada Post's blog was so fucking blaming.
[url]https://www.canadapost.ca/web/en/blogs/announcements/details.page?article=2016/07/02/canada_post_expresse&cattype=announcements&cat=newsreleases[/url]
[quote]In its response, CUPW said the corporation is using the lockout notice to drive 50,000 workers "out onto the streets without pay in an effort to impose steep concessions on them."
"They refused to negotiate fairly with us and now they're locking the doors and will try to starve us into submission," said CUPW president Mike Palecek. "Canada Post has been out in the media for weeks saying there's going to be an interruption and now they're complaining there's no mail or parcels in the system," he told the CBC's Metro Morning radio show. [/quote]
From the OP. Absolutely disgusting.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50655094]And then the Supreme Court ruled that what he did was unconstitutional.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't give a fuck at this point. I would gladly take Harper back and all his sketchy illegal bullshit if it meant actual important things get done. Instead we're stuck with current year man and his pandering to minorities and the LGBT community, tackling issues that do not affect the vast majority of Canadians instead of actually trying to fix Harper's fuckups.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50655094]And then the Supreme Court ruled that what he did was unconstitutional.[/QUOTE]
So then lets change the constitution to allow the government full control of the postal service, keeping workers from working and fucking up thousands of businesses just because of failed negotiations is retarded.
Whoever is in charge of Canada Post should have been fired yesterday.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;50657751]Whoever is in charge of Canada Post should have been fired yesterday.[/QUOTE]
I knew it was a bad idea to appoint a spiritual guru as CEO :wink:
[img]http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topvideo/2013/post-nn-thibedeau-121813_lead_media_image_1.jpg[/img]
Would it make sense to make Canada post an essential service?
I mean I get that they aren't as essential as police or fire fighters, but think about how much the economy suffers when these dicks lock out or go on strike.
Personally, i think the government needs to tell them to suck it up and shut up, they've got a job to do.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50658395]Would it make sense to make Canada post an essential service?
I mean I get that they aren't as essential as police or fire fighters, but think about how much the economy suffers when these dicks lock out or go on strike.
Personally, i think the government needs to tell them to suck it up and shut up, they've got a job to do.[/QUOTE]
The workers, again, wanted to work through the negotiations. It's Canada Post itself that's locking out its workers and preventing them from working.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50658465]The workers, again, wanted to work through the negotiations. It's Canada Post itself that's locking out its workers and preventing them from working.[/QUOTE]
All the more reason to make it an essential service. Cut the union bullshit and put those guys out of a job if they try and disrupt a service that directly effects the Canadian economy.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50658625]All the more reason to make it an essential service. Cut the union bullshit and put those guys out of a job if they try and disrupt a service that directly effects the Canadian economy.[/QUOTE]
"Cut the Union Bullshit". Wow. Just go live in Trump's America, why don't you? This in spite of the fact that the employer and not the union is causing the problem here?
[QUOTE=archangel125;50658715]"Cut the Union Bullshit". Wow. Just go live in Trump's America, why don't you? This in spite of the fact that the employer and not the union is causing the problem here?[/QUOTE]
You sound like a postal worker. You're being a bit of a dick. And by bit, I mean a huge dick.
My point remains, who cares who's causing the problem, let them sort it out their fucking selves without disrupting the economy. They are fucking with many more people than just the union.
My point being if canada post was an essential service they wouldn't be able to pull shit like this.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50658829]You sound like a postal worker. You're being a bit of a dick. And by bit, I mean a huge dick.
My point remains, who cares who's causing the problem, let them sort it out their fucking selves without disrupting the economy. They are fucking with many more people than just the union.
My point being if canada post was an essential service they wouldn't be able to pull shit like this.[/QUOTE]
Right. And that doesn't mean that the workers need to lose their rights to negotiate the terms of their employment just because Canada Post itself is being a dick.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50658625]Cut the union bullshit[/QUOTE]
How about cut the idiot who thought stopping the postal workers from doing their job was a good idea.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50658896]Right. And that doesn't mean that the workers need to lose their rights to negotiate the terms of their employment just because Canada Post itself is being a dick.[/QUOTE]
There's no reason for negotiating their rights having to result in a labour disruption that disrupts the entire country though, no matter if it was the union or the Harper appointed slimeballs in charge at Canada Post that caused the disruption. The constitution should have been amended to make Canada Post an essential service when Harper passed the back to work legislation last time.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50658625]All the more reason to make it an essential service. Cut the union bullshit and put those guys out of a job if they try and disrupt a service that directly effects the Canadian economy.[/QUOTE]
There is no union bullshit here. The union wants everyone to keep working. This is corporation bullshit.
[editline]6th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;50659823]The constitution should have been amended to make Canada Post an essential service when Harper passed the back to work legislation last time.[/QUOTE]
Do you know the process of amending the Canadian constitution without Googling it, or would you have preferred Harper to unconstitutionally amend the constitution all by himself?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50659888]
Do you know the process of amending the Canadian constitution without Googling it, or would you have preferred Harper to unconstitutionally amend the constitution all by himself?[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact yes I would. I'd rather live in a country where shit that actually matters can actually be accomplished instead of the oh so pressing matter of making our national anthem gender neutral. This improves my life [b]SO[/b] much, who cares about an essential service not functioning when our national anthem now takes into account that I sexually identify as an attack helicopter.
[editline]6th July 2016[/editline]
This country is already in the toilet with Trudeau threatening to pull the handle, trampling over the constitution can't make it any worse. Harper was honestly a million times better than what we're stuck with now.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;50660673]As a matter of fact yes I would. I'd rather live in a country where shit that actually matters can actually be accomplished instead of the oh so pressing matter of making our national anthem gender neutral. This improves my life [b]SO[/b] much, who cares about an essential service not functioning when our national anthem now takes into account that I sexually identify as an attack helicopter.
[editline]6th July 2016[/editline]
This country is already in the toilet with Trudeau threatening to pull the handle, trampling over the constitution can't make it any worse. Harper was honestly a million times better than what we're stuck with now.[/QUOTE]
Then you can live somewhere else. The constitution is made difficult to change for a reason. Harper was a piece of shit, practically a dictator. He even tried getting rid of the court justices when they disagreed with him to put his own puppets in their place. I'd rather see this country burn than have another dictator in office. A maggot-ridden turd would make a better prime minister than Harper did.
Canada is a free country with checks and balances in place that keep the government and corporations from screwing us like the US government and corporations screw their people. If you don't like that, find a country to live in with a totalitarian government that better matches your ideology.
so will there be a strike or will the workers go back to work?
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50661151]so will there be a strike or will the workers go back to work?[/QUOTE]
Well, there's currently a strike, and the workers want to keep working while they protest so they don't end up bringing the country grinding to a halt. But the corporation employing them, Canada Post itself, is forcing them off their jobs while they strike so that the government takes action. Let's hope CP gets slapped instead of the workers. The lockout is their doing, after all.
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