12-Year-Old Boy Guilty of Murder in Death of Neo-Nazi Father Jeffrey Hall - Polidicks

[quote]A judge ruled Monday that a 12-year-old boy from Riverside, Calif. was responsible for murdering his neo-Nazi father when he was just 10 years old. Judge Jean P. Leonard ruled the boy guilty of second-degree murder and for using a gun while committing a felony, according to [I]LA Times. [/I] The boy killed his father, Jeffery Hall, on May 1, 2011, in the morning before he had woken up for the day. He used Hall's .357 magnum revolver and shot him in the head. This incident comes after the boy experienced years of abuse, neglect, and influence by his father, who was a West Coast leader for the neo-Nazi organization National Socialist Movement. Hall had been attempting to "indoctrinate" the boy into the hate group, and the judge said this likely had corrupted the thought process of an already disturbed boy. "It is clear that this minor knows more than the average child about guns, hate and violence," Leonard said. "This is not a naive little boy unaware of the ways of the world." Hall's son may be held in juvenile detention until he is 23. Usually, juveniles responsible for second-degree murder are sent to one of three juvenile detention facilities run by the state. These house the most violent juvenile offenders, and currently, none are under the age of 14. The boy's attorney, Matthew Hardy, said sending him to one of these facilities would be a "tragedy." "That's a place that's not a place for children," Hardy said. "He'll be spending his time learning how to be a gangbanger and killer." Leonard indicated that she would consider alternative placements for him, like a secure facility run by the Riverside County Department of Probation in Indio. Hardy is planning to appeal the ruling, arguing that the boy did not know it was wrong to shoot his father. After the shooting, Hardy said the boy gave conflicting statements to police, even saying that the boy expected his father to recover and rejoin the family soon. Hardy also said the boy stated he was trying to defend his family from his father, who was abusive and threatened to burn down the family's home with his wife and kids inside. "He didn't think it was wrong; he thought it was justified," Hardy said. "He thought he had to do it." Chief Deputy Dist. Atty. Michael Soccio said the boy likely wanted to kill his father because he feared he was going to divorce the boy's stepmother and break the family apart. Soccio said the boy is still a threat to society. Before the shooting, he was expelled from eight schools for violent incidents, one being an attempt to strangle a teacher. "I think he is a very dangerous boy," he said. [/quote] [url]http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/12-year-old-boy-guilty-murder-death-neo-nazi-father-jeffrey-hall?[/url]

Murder is the gravest action someone can commit, but it's not like the kid could just pack his bags and leave home. I assume he was too scared or was unaware that he could contact law enforcement or child protection services. Sounds like he was little more than a cornered animal.

I think the main reason that he was charged were the previous incidents

Oh hey, I remember this first getting reported. It's good to see him get sentenced, though it kinda sucks he probably won't get the help he needs.

From what I remember of the first article, this kid was pretty much a psychopath.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;39232640]From what I remember of the first article, this kid was pretty much a psychopath.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Article]Before the shooting, he was expelled from eight schools for violent incidents, one being an attempt to [B]strangle a teacher.[/B][/QUOTE] ..Yeah.

[QUOTE=benji2015;39232726]..Yeah.[/QUOTE] That sums up Pyschopath then :/

I don't get how the father being a Neo-Nazi is really relevant. The father was an abusive ass, but that's because he's an abusive ass, not a Nazi.

[QUOTE=tyanet;39233396]I don't get how the father being a Neo-Nazi is really relevant. The father was an abusive ass, but that's because he's an abusive ass, not a Nazi.[/QUOTE] I think being a neo-nazi probably doesn't make your child the pinnacle of mental health.

[QUOTE=Noss;39233454]because he's literally hitler[/QUOTE] Ah, reread the article and now it makes sense. Ignore my post.

there's obviously something mentally wrong this kid and he better be getting some sort of help for that or else my hate for the justice system will grow even more the kid is still young and developing and there's so much potential to save him from this downward spiral

[QUOTE=tyanet;39233396]I don't get how the father being a Neo-Nazi is really relevant. The father was an abusive ass, but that's because he's an abusive ass, not a Nazi.[/QUOTE Personally, I find that people who self-identify based on which group of folks that they hate the most tend not to be the warmest individuals.

[QUOTE=tyanet;39233396]I don't get how the father being a Neo-Nazi is really relevant. The father was an abusive ass, but that's because he's an abusive ass, not a Nazi.[/QUOTE] Might have to re-quote it then: [quote]This incident comes after the boy [b]experienced years of abuse, neglect, and influence by his father,[/b] who was a West Coast leader for the neo-Nazi organization National Socialist Movement. [b]Hall had been attempting to [i]"indoctrinate" the boy into the hate group[/i],[/b] and the judge said [b]this likely had [i]corrupted[/i] the [i]thought process[/i] of an [i]already disturbed boy.[/i][/b][/quote]

He was born into the wrong house hold. On an off note, why is a neo-Nazi organization called the National Socialist Movement? Nazism and Socialism aren't known for their similarities. [QUOTE=Zeke129;39233972] Because that's what Nazi stands for. The Nazis wanted a name that would appeal to the working class so they threw the word socialism in there[/QUOTE] Not sure how I missed that, thanks!

[QUOTE=Mingebox;39232640]From what I remember of the first article, this kid was pretty much a psychopath.[/QUOTE] Maybe that's because of all the abuse [editline]15th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr.Heal;39233763]On an off note, why is a neo-Nazi organization called the National Socialist Movement? Nazism and Socialism aren't known for their similarities.[/QUOTE] Because that's what Nazi stands for. The Nazis wanted a name that would appeal to the working class so they threw the word socialism in there

[QUOTE=Mr.Heal;39233763]He was born into the wrong house hold. [B]On an off note, why is a neo-Nazi organization called the National Socialist Movement?[/B] [B]Nazism and Socialism aren't known for their similarities.[/B][/QUOTE] You're kidding right? Nazi is an abbreviation for [B]Nationalsozialistische[/B]. Guess what that means in German?

[QUOTE=Mr.Heal;39233763]On an off note, why is a neo-Nazi organization called the National Socialist Movement? Nazism and Socialism aren't known for their [/QUOTE] "Nazi" means "National Socialist"

Shame the judge didn't sentence as voluntary manslaughter - as its arguable that it was done in self defence and the abuse he received could "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed. " (one of the requirements of a voluntary manslaughter ruling) The kid should really be just put into therapy and put on probation terms until he's 21 and then be re-evaluated for whether or not a jail sentence should or should not be served. [quote]Before the shooting, he was expelled from eight schools for violent incidents, one being an attempt to strangle a teacher.[/quote] Oh, nevermind. Judge was right.

[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;39233474]there's obviously something mentally wrong this kid and he better be getting some sort of help for that or else my hate for the justice system will grow even more the kid is still young and developing and there's so much potential to save him from this downward spiral[/QUOTE] Couldn't have said it better myself.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;39234686]It's a shame it kind've isn't the boys fault, since he was brainwashed in a way by his father and it turned him into what he is today.[/QUOTE] Problem with that line of thinking is that it can repeat ad infinitum. Why would you not blame his grandparents for not raising his father towards a line of thinking that wasn't Nazism? Or his great-grandparents for not teaching his grandparents how to raise a child that won't turn to Nazism. I know it's kind of a long connection, but you need to factor that in too. WHO 2 BLAME ??

[quote]"He'll be spending his time learning how to be a gangbanger and killer."[/quote] God forbid he ever learns to kill someone! Oh wait...

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39233972]Maybe that's because of all the abuse [editline]15th January 2013[/editline] Because that's what Nazi stands for. The Nazis wanted a name that would appeal to the working class so they threw the word socialism in there[/QUOTE] I remember reading that early in the party's history, they actually were a little socialist, being anti-big business and anti-upper class. That was probably either before Hitler joined, or not long after he did, because soon they needed to get the support of those big businesses. That's where all the anti-Semitism came in. So in other words, big businesses made Nazis Nazis.

I'm pretty sure most or all of the socialist elements of the nazi party were purged during the Night of the Long Knives.