No Rights For Gay Australians In The Foreseeable Future.. - Polidicks

[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 800, align: left"] [TR] [TD] [TABLE="width: 640, align: center"] [TR] [TD][h2]Anti-gay rights to stay.[/h2][B]PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has assured religious groups they will have the ''freedom'' under a new rights bill to discriminate against homosexuals and others they deem sinners, according to the head of the Australian Christian Lobby.[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][QUOTE][IMG]http://images.theage.com.au/2013/01/15/3955388/art-353-golding-2-300x0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] [TABLE="width: 500, align: center"] [TR] [TD]Under current law, faith-based organisations, including schools and hospitals, can refuse to hire those they view as sinners if they consider it ''is necessary to avoid injury to the religious sensitivities of adherents of that religion''. Ms Gillard has met Australian Christian Lobby managing director Jim Wallace several times, and he says she assured him ''she has no intention of restricting freedom of religion'' when it comes to religious groups' legal rights to discriminate in hiring and firing. The Prime Minister said through a spokesman: "We don't comment on discussions with stakeholders.'' Discrimination by religious organisations affects thousands of Australians. The faiths are big employers, and the Catholic Church in particular is one of Australia's largest private employers. They rely on government funding but because of their religious status are allowed to vet the sexual practices of potential employees in ways that would be illegal for non-religious organisations. Labor often claims to represent progressive values and is led by an atheist, but the government has gone out of its way to placate religious organisations on this issue. The woman who will be steering the Human Rights and Anti-Discrimination Bill through the Senate, Finance Minister Penny Wong, is a committed Christian and a lesbian. Senator Wong said this week that Labor was ''seeking to balance the existing law and the practice of religious exemptions with the principle of non-discrimination''. It is believed that senior Labor ministers have been making similar promises to the Christian lobby since Kevin Rudd was prime minister. Before she was elected in 2010, Ms Gillard promised Mr Wallace in a filmed interview that she would protect the school chaplains program and that under her government ''marriage will be defined as it is in our current Marriage Act as between a man and a woman''. She said that ''we do not want to see the development of ceremonies that mimic marriage ceremonies''. The Australian Catholic Bishops Conference is adamant that the church should retain its rights to discriminate, but Anglicans are divided. The more conservative Sydney diocese claims its right to discriminate against gays and lesbians and others whose ''lifestyles'' offend religious beliefs, Bishop Robert Forsyth of South Sydney said. But social welfare charity Anglicare practises the opposite, South Australian branch chief executive Peter Sandeman said. ''Jesus didn't discriminate and neither should we,'' Mr Sandeman said. "At Anglicare South Australia, we introduced a formal policy welcoming and supporting inclusion and diversity nearly a decade ago.'' Jews ''don't have a position on this'', Executive Council of Australian Jewry executive director Peter Wertheim said. The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils did not respond to questions. Labor's Human Rights and Anti-Discrimination Bill was an attempt to consolidate the law, ''not completely re-invent the anti-discrimination system'', a spokeswoman for Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said. ''We are proud to be introducing important new protections from sexual orientation discrimination. While there are some exemptions, this doesn't detract from these important changes''.[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]SOURCE: [/B] [URL]http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/antigay-rights-to-stay-20130115-2crma.html[/URL][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] I just cannot wrap my head around this.. It's election year; pull your head out of your ass before [we] shove our boot up it.

Private organisations can discriminate if they want, at the same time they shouldn't get a tax free status

The only time I would be in favor of this is if I can refuse to hire someone for being a christian. But obviously I'd prefer both being illegal. Fuck bullshit like this.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;39228408]The only time I would be in favor of this is if I can refuse to hire someone for being a christian. [/QUOTE] that's awful

I am dumb, goodbye cruel world

fucking hell Australia, get with the times. I may not be gay myself, but this offends me, i have numerous family members who are gay/lesbian, as well as quite a few of my friends.

[QUOTE=WingedAssailant;39228547]fucking hell Australia, get with the times. I may not be gay myself, but this offends me, i have numerous family members who are gay/lesbian, as well as quite a few of my friends.[/QUOTE] [quote]but because of their religious status are allowed to vet the sexual practices of potential employees[B] in ways that would be illegal for non-religious organisations.[/B][/quote] Australia as a country is far more liberal than many countries, just the leaders have a few wrong ideas. One leader in particular, in this case. This is still only religious groups who are able to pick and choose who they allow into their groups to follow under their views. It's not like the Australian public has permission to crush and kill gays in the street for their views. It's entirely about religious groups, so tell them to get with the times if anyone.

[QUOTE=article;1]Under current law, faith-based organisations, including schools and hospitals[/QUOTE] This shouldn't be possible...

[QUOTE=download;39228345]Private organisations can discriminate if they want, at the same time they shouldn't get a tax free status[/QUOTE] no even a Private organisation should not discriminate

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;39228408]The only time I would be in favor of this is if I can refuse to hire someone for being a christian.[/QUOTE] So you'd do literally the same exact thing. Congrats, you are no better.

''But gays dont even exist'' Fuck the churches. I have a right to be happy as much as the next straight person.

[QUOTE=download;39228345]Private organisations can discriminate if they want, at the same time they shouldn't get a tax free status[/QUOTE] That'd pretty much destroy most religions.

There are plenty of gay Australian priests who have to hide their orientation due to fear of being fired simply because of their sexual orientation. I know because I had a fling with one in 1983. I went on a six month work trip to Canberra and on a brief drop at the local pub I met a wonderful gentleman who's name was Tony. After a bit of conversation he told me he was a priest at a local parish and we spoke briefly about religion. It wasn't long though before I asked him what a man such as himself was doing at an installation such as that. Well Tony cut right to the chase and said that he was a fellow sodomite and he was looking for love. The conversation got a bit heated and one thing went to another and well, we ended up in bed and in a variety of positions that would probably have made an old sailor blush. After we were done putting my Sodom in his Gomorrah, we had a discussion about discrimination of gays and sexual minorities in general over a pair of filterless cigarettes. Australia, especially the Australian church(es) at the time were extremely homophobic and a part of me is inclined to believe they still are. It's a shame that such a beautiful country allows its flock to discriminate against people simply because of what they get up to in the bedroom, but at the same time I guess it's the right of private institutions to decide who works for them.

[QUOTE=thisispain;39228416]that's awful[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39228698]So you'd do literally the same exact thing. Congrats, you are no better.[/QUOTE] Congrats to both of you for not reading what I said. No, I don't want to do that and in an ideal world this whole thing wouldn't be an issue. But if they are allowed to freely discriminate against people there's no reason others shouldn't.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;39229054] But if they are allowed to freely discriminate against people there's no reason others shouldn't.[/QUOTE] yes there is a reason, its called not being an arse towards people

[QUOTE=thisispain;39229086]yes there is a reason, its called not being an arse towards people[/QUOTE] Morally, completely agreed. Legally, no, there's not.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;39229054]Congrats to both of you for not reading what I said. No, I don't want to do that and in an ideal world this whole thing wouldn't be an issue. But if they are allowed to freely discriminate against people there's no reason others shouldn't.[/QUOTE] This isn't talking about employment, just religious organisations, it's still illegal to discriminate against people if you're a business owner, so a shop owner isn't allowed to fire an employee for being gay. Although there shouldn't be a need for religious hospitals or schools, that should really be the job of the government.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;39228685]no even a Private organisation should not discriminate[/QUOTE] They're [i]private[/i] organisations, they should be able to do that based on the bit about being private

[QUOTE=Deadman;39229029]There are plenty of gay Australian priests who have to hide their orientation due to fear of being fired simply because of their sexual orientation. I know because I had a fling with one in 1983. I went on a six month work trip to Canberra and on a brief drop at the local pub I met a wonderful gentleman who's name was Tony. After a bit of conversation he told me he was a priest at a local parish and we spoke briefly about religion. It wasn't long though before I asked him what a man such as himself was doing at an installation such as that. Well Tony cut right to the chase and said that he was a fellow sodomite and he was looking for love. The conversation got a bit heated and one thing went to another and well, we ended up in bed and in a variety of positions that would probably have made an old sailor blush. After we were done putting my Sodom in his Gomorrah, we had a discussion about discrimination of gays and sexual minorities in general over a pair of filterless cigarettes. Australia, especially the Australian church(es) at the time were extremely homophobic and a part of me is inclined to believe they still are. It's a shame that such a beautiful country allows its flock to discriminate against people simply because of what they get up to in the bedroom, but at the same time I guess it's the right of private institutions to decide who works for them.[/QUOTE] Dafuq?

[QUOTE=WingedAssailant;39228547]fucking hell Australia, get with the times. I may not be gay myself, but this offends me, i have numerous family members who are gay/lesbian, as well as quite a few of my friends.[/QUOTE] Australia getting with the times? You are going to make me die of laughter We only JUST got a R18 rating for games and our internet is from 10 years ago

[QUOTE=Nemisis116;39229415]Australia getting with the times? You are going to make me die of laughter We only JUST got a R18 rating for games and our internet is from 10 years ago[/QUOTE] good point

[QUOTE=Deadman;39229029]There are plenty of gay Australian priests who have to hide their orientation due to fear of being fired simply because of their sexual orientation. I know because I had a fling with one in 1983. I went on a six month work trip to Canberra and on a brief drop at the local pub I met a wonderful gentleman who's name was Tony. After a bit of conversation he told me he was a priest at a local parish and we spoke briefly about religion. It wasn't long though before I asked him what a man such as himself was doing at an installation such as that. Well Tony cut right to the chase and said that he was a fellow sodomite and he was looking for love. The conversation got a bit heated and one thing went to another and well, we ended up in bed and in a variety of positions that would probably have made an old sailor blush. After we were done putting my Sodom in his Gomorrah, we had a discussion about discrimination of gays and sexual minorities in general over a pair of filterless cigarettes. Australia, especially the Australian church(es) at the time were extremely homophobic and a part of me is inclined to believe they still are. It's a shame that such a beautiful country allows its flock to discriminate against people simply because of what they get up to in the bedroom, but at the same time I guess it's the right of private institutions to decide who works for them.[/QUOTE] how old are you and what lead you to this site? if this story is real, that is.

[QUOTE]PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has assured religious groups they will have the ''freedom'' under a new rights bill to discriminate against homosexuals and others they deem sinners, according to the head of the Australian Christian Lobby.[/QUOTE] can't wait for one of the ACL members to get a fist in the jaw for being a fucking pest

Hopefully the new prime minister will allow it. (For those who don't know, we didn't vote for Gillard, and she would have never gotten in unless she back stabbed Kevin Dudd.)

[QUOTE=download;39228345]Private organisations can discriminate if they want[/QUOTE] I hear this a lot and would like to know how this would benefit everyone more than the opposite

[QUOTE=nick_9_8;39233419]Hopefully the new prime minister will allow it. (For those who don't know, we didn't vote for Gillard, and she would have never gotten in unless she back stabbed Kevin Dudd.)[/QUOTE]The alternative to Julia is Tony Abbott. I'm pretty sure he'd chase gay people out of the country personally if he was allowed to.

man i'm sick of christians

[QUOTE=download;39229216]They're [i]private[/i] organisations, they should be able to do that based on the bit about being private[/QUOTE] Fancy if Telstra had in their terms of employment that one couldn't be of indigenous descent and work there. Why is the notion of private companies more sacred than equal opportunity for all Australians to have the dignity of choosing their work?

[QUOTE=WingedAssailant;39228547]fucking hell Australia, get with the times. I may not be gay myself, but this offends me, i have numerous family members who are gay/lesbian, as well as quite a few of my friends.[/QUOTE] You aren't gay? Could have fooled me with your posts in gay chat thread Plus, you [I]do[/I] love wolf dicks

[QUOTE=nick_9_8;39233419]Hopefully the new prime minister will allow it. (For those who don't know, we didn't vote for Gillard, and she would have never gotten in unless she back stabbed Kevin Dudd.)[/QUOTE] Yeah can't wait for the landslide of social advances Abbott's gonna make!! [sp] really? [/sp]