Qantas seals the deal on direct Perth to London flight, the new longest flight in the world.
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[QUOTE]Qantas and Perth Airport have come to a deal to operate the first non-stop flights from Australia to Europe.
The development paves the way for direct flights from Perth to London using Qantas’ revolutionary Boeing 787 planes, with the potential for extra routes to Paris, Frankfurt and Rome to follow.[/QUOTE]
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Pretty cool that we will have this route available though, although 17 and a half hours on a plane is an extremely long time. Hopefully more Airlines, such as Virgin Australia, make similar routes though, I expect the costing for this flight to be crazy.
Too bad they didn't do anything about Perth's airport still not being 24/7.
17.5 hours on a plane might suck but fluffing about in a Dubai or Kuala-Lumpur stop-over sucks more.
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Need another 2500km range to do London to Sydney though.
[QUOTE=download;51511292]17.5 hours on a plane might suck but fluffing about in a Dubai or Kuala-Lumpur stop-over sucks more.
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Need another 2500km range to do London to Sydney though.[/QUOTE]
Layovers suck sure, but at least it gives you a chance to stretch your legs.
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[QUOTE=Captain James;51511286]Too bad they didn't do anything about Perth's airport still not being 24/7.[/QUOTE]
Perth airport being 24/7? Yeah good luck, you'll have those dickheads who bought a house near the airport complain about it as usual.
Crazy that the 787 can outmatch an A380 or a 747 in distance.
[QUOTE=Animosus;51511306]Layovers suck sure, but at least it gives you a chance to stretch your legs.
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Not having to pay for terminal space in Dubai will drive down the ticket price.
Honestly my brain shut off for a second there and I thought Perth was in England, and I was really confused why it took 17 hours.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51511313]Crazy that the 787 can outmatch an A380 or a 747 in distance.[/QUOTE]
Efficiency over capacity.
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Need another 2500km range to do London to Sydney though.[/QUOTE]
Or in-flight refueling. Boeing has the technology on both ends to do it, given they built military aircraft with the capability. It's proven tech, it's safe, I see no logical reason we can't begin fitting it to passenger aircraft and training pilots on how to do it. Pretty sure Air Force One has it, come to think of it, which means they already know how to integrate it into the systems of a commercial jetliner.
Hell, many of them probably already know. It's no secret that airliners looooooooooooooooooove putting former fighter pilots in the cockpits of their aircraft.
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[QUOTE=download;51511339]Not having to pay for terminal space in Dubai will drive down the ticket price.[/QUOTE]
But will it drop the price enough to counter the increased fuel costs? Only time will tell, I'm sure Qantas isn't exactly going to be giving us that kind of info. And, hell, they may just take the savings in as pure profit while fluffing it up in adverts on the whole 'no layover in dubai!' angle.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51511313]Crazy that the 787 can outmatch an A380 or a 747 in distance.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same. It's a testament on how far we've come in aviation. From the old timers being weary of crossing the pond with two engines, to having two engines out perform four
[editline]10th December 2016[/editline]
No commercial airliner will do mid air refueling. That's an absurdly dumb idea.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51511405]Or in-flight refueling. Boeing has the technology on both ends to do it, given they built military aircraft with the capability. It's proven tech, it's safe, I see no logical reason we can't begin fitting it to passenger aircraft and training pilots on how to do it. Pretty sure Air Force One has it, come to think of it, which means they already know how to integrate it into the systems of a commercial jetliner.
Hell, many of them probably already know. It's no secret that airliners looooooooooooooooooove putting former fighter pilots in the cockpits of their aircraft.
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But will it drop the price enough to counter the increased fuel costs? Only time will tell, I'm sure Qantas isn't exactly going to be giving us that kind of info. And, hell, they may just take the savings in as pure profit while fluffing it up in adverts on the whole 'no layover in dubai!' angle.[/QUOTE]
There isn't much point for commercial in-flight refueling. Most flights can make it to where they need to get to without it and having a tanker in the air just burning fuel is expensive.
Qantas also ran the worlds longest flight before they broke their own record, Sydney to Dallas, which clocked in at 15 1/2 hrs.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;51511447]There isn't much point for commercial in-flight refueling. Most flights can make it to where they need to get to without it and having a tanker in the air just burning fuel is expensive.[/QUOTE]
You would only have tankers in the air in areas where many aircraft pass.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51511405]Or in-flight refueling. Boeing has the technology on both ends to do it, given they built military aircraft with the capability. It's proven tech, it's safe, I see no logical reason we can't begin fitting it to passenger aircraft and training pilots on how to do it. Pretty sure Air Force One has it, come to think of it, which means they already know how to integrate it into the systems of a commercial jetliner.
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Would probably be cheaper to run Hub and Spoke out of Perth to other Aussie destinations through a 3rd party regional jet service than it would be to have a refueling jet loitering around topping off liners in flight.
[QUOTE=OvB;51511461]Would probably be cheaper to run Hub and Spoke out of Perth to other Aussie destinations through a 3rd party regional jet service than it would be to have a refueling jet loitering around topping off liners in flight.[/QUOTE]
I doubt people would want to do that, because the only Australian city near Perth is <absolutely nothing>, so I wouldn't be surprised if the hub and spoke model fails out of Perth because people don't want to make the long trip over to Perth.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51511487]I doubt people would want to do that, because the only Australian city near Perth is <absolutely nothing>, so I wouldn't be surprised if the hub and spoke model fails out of Perth because people don't want to make the long trip over to Perth.[/QUOTE]
Maybe not Perth, then. But outta somewhere less shit then? Sorry, my Aussie geography is a bit off.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51511487]I doubt people would want to do that, because the only Australian city near Perth is <absolutely nothing>, so I wouldn't be surprised if the hub and spoke model fails out of Perth because people don't want to make the long trip over to Perth.[/QUOTE]
It's only 5 hours to Perth from Sydney. Not that bad really. Although you're right about there being jack fucking shit near Perth, it's the most isolated city in the world.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51511405]Or in-flight refueling. Boeing has the technology on both ends to do it, given they built military aircraft with the capability. It's proven tech, it's safe, I see no logical reason we can't begin fitting it to passenger aircraft and training pilots on how to do it. Pretty sure Air Force One has it, come to think of it, which means they already know how to integrate it into the systems of a commercial jetliner.
Hell, many of them probably already know. It's no secret that airliners looooooooooooooooooove putting former fighter pilots in the cockpits of their aircraft.
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But will it drop the price enough to counter the increased fuel costs? Only time will tell, I'm sure Qantas isn't exactly going to be giving us that kind of info. And, hell, they may just take the savings in as pure profit while fluffing it up in adverts on the whole 'no layover in dubai!' angle.[/QUOTE]
the cost of commercial in flight refueling far outweighs any benefit that could come of it.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;51511647]It's only 5 hours to Perth from Sydney. Not that bad really. Although you're right about there being jack fucking shit near Perth, it's the most isolated city in the world.[/QUOTE]
"only 5 hours from Sydney" - that's longer than LA to NY. Hub and spoke from Perth would be crazy because there's nothing near Perth!
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Perth airport being 24/7? Yeah good luck, you'll have those dickheads who bought a house near the airport complain about it as usual.[/QUOTE]
What? i wanna know more on this
[QUOTE=Source;51512035]What? i wanna know more on this[/QUOTE]
There is a really common issue here in Perth where people complain about noise, even if they moved in there after whatever makes the noise was constructed.
So far this year, a defensive driving course and racetrack on the airport property was shut down due to noise complaints by a single person who moved in recently and they have changed the flight paths to stop planes coming in over properties when safe to do so.
There is also a common thing were people don't like the idea of things actually being open 24/7 or even late, this isn't just an airport issue. Shops were only legally allowed to open on Sunday in 2011 and most places can't be open later than 5pm except for on Thursdays which is "Late night shopping" where shops are open until 9pm. It doesn't look like it will change anytime soon either due to heaps of people saying that we don't need longer shopping hours or "Retail workers need family time". This is a city of nearly 2 million people as well, it's pretty sad.
[QUOTE=Animosus;51512055]There is a really common issue here in Perth where people complain about noise, even if they moved in there after whatever makes the noise was constructed.
So far this year, a defensive driving course and racetrack on the airport property was shut down due to noise complaints by a single person who moved in recently and they have changed the flight paths to stop planes coming in over properties when safe to do so.
There is also a common thing were people don't like the idea of things actually being open 24/7 or even late, this isn't just an airport issue. Shops were only legally allowed to open on Sunday in 2011 and most places can't be open later than 5pm except for on Thursdays which is "Late night shopping" where shops are open until 9pm. It doesn't look like it will change anytime soon either due to heaps of people saying that we don't need longer shopping hours or "Retail workers need family time". This is a city of nearly 2 million people as well, it's pretty sad.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the weird cunts who move into apartments adjacent to nightclubs in Northbridge and complain about the noise too
[QUOTE=The Decoy;51512071]Don't forget the weird cunts who move into apartments adjacent to nightclubs in Northbridge and complain about the noise too[/QUOTE]
Don't even get me fucking started ahhh
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