• Isle on Man TT 2016 death toll reaches 5.
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Former Isle of Man TT Races winner Ian Bell has died in a crash in a sidecar race bringing the total number of deaths in this year’s event to five. Mr Bell, 58, was competing with son Carl, who was said to be unharmed. He had retired from the sport in 2004 after a crash but returned in 2007. [URL="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/isle-man-tt-former-winner-8164671#rlabs=3%20rt$category%20p$8"]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/isle-man-tt-former-winner-8164671#rlabs=3%20rt$category%20p$8[/URL] If 5 people had died playing tiddly-winks there would have been an outrage.
It's a risk these people willingly take though, there is a whole cemetery for riders since the first TT over a century ago. These people know what they're getting into. There is a lot of fatalists amongst casual riders and racers.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50496331]If 5 horses had died in the Grand National there would be an outrage.[/QUOTE] What is this supposed to mean?
Means nobody gives a shit about Bike Racing. Never covered on the news.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50496331]Former Isle of Man TT Races winner Ian Bell has died in a crash in a sidecar race bringing the total number of deaths in this year’s event to five. Mr Bell, 58, was competing with son Carl, who was said to be unharmed. He had retired from the sport in 2004 after a crash but returned in 2007. [URL="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/isle-man-tt-former-winner-8164671#rlabs=3%20rt$category%20p$8"]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/isle-man-tt-former-winner-8164671#rlabs=3%20rt$category%20p$8[/URL] If 5 horses had died in the Grand National there would be an outrage.[/QUOTE] The horses didn't really consent to a race where chances of dying are high, because they can't, that's why there's an outrage. These drivers know the risk, but still participated.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50496388]The horses didn't really consent to a race where chances of dying are high, because they can't, that's why there's an outrage. These drivers know the risk, but still participated.[/QUOTE] So consent makes it ok? Boxers consent too, but people still campaign for it to be outlawed.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50496405]So consent makes it ok?[/QUOTE] Yes. An adult is capable of making the decision to risk their lives for a motorcycle race.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50496405]So consent makes it ok?[/QUOTE] Theres nothing you can do except call off the event completely, and that isn't going to happen if you know of the TT just a small bit, which you seem to not know
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50496418]Theres nothing you can do except call off the event completely, and that isn't going to happen if you know of the TT just a small bit, which you seem to not know[/QUOTE] That's an understatement. Our economy would collapse without it.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;50496387]Means nobody gives a shit about Bike Racing. Never covered on the news.[/QUOTE] No it means that everybody knows the IoM TT is extremely dangerous and people die pretty much every year.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50496405]So consent makes it ok? Boxers consent too, but people still campaign for it to be outlawed.[/QUOTE] ....yes, consent does make it OK. We shouldn't be banning dangerous things if the only people that get hurt are the people who choose to do those things. Let the racers race, let the boxers box.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50496418]Theres nothing you can do except call off the event completely, and that isn't going to happen if you know of the TT just a small bit, which you seem to not know[/QUOTE] I am not for banning it, I just wondered what other peoples thoughts were?
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50496405]So consent makes it ok? Boxers consent too, but people still campaign for it to be outlawed.[/QUOTE] Ban skydiving, and white water rafting, and driving fast cars, and... It's not good that they died, but they went in knowing the danger. It's not like someone's parachute failed to open due to negligence. It's just the nature of the race.
[QUOTE=download;50496416]Yes. An adult is capable of making the decision to risk their lives for a motorcycle race.[/QUOTE] Agreed. You are certainly free to risk your life, so long as you're doing it in a manner which does not risk other peoples' lives who may be unwilling participants to your little game. Tearing ass around a racetrack is a very different game from ripping through a neighborhood, you know?
[QUOTE]If 5 horses had died in the Grand National there would be an outrage.[/QUOTE] What relevance is this? The drivers and competitors participated knowing full well the risks involved. Horses aren't able to make a cognizant decision to participate in the event.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;50496503]What relevance is this? The drivers and competitors participated knowing full well the risks involved. Horses aren't able to make a cognizant decision to participate in the event.[/QUOTE] Regardless, human life should be regarded higher than that of a horse. I felt it was relevant in the sense that you would expect people to make more of a fuss when 5 people die over 5 horses dying.
[QUOTE=Scot;50496446]No it means that everybody knows the IoM TT is extremely dangerous and people die pretty much every year.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I know a few people who go to the TT and NW200, pretty much all of them expect racing careers to end with a crash. You have to be a bit crazy for road races on circuits like those.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50496493]Agreed. You are certainly free to risk your life, so long as you're doing it in a manner which does not risk other peoples' lives who may be unwilling participants to your little game. Tearing ass around a racetrack is a very different game from ripping through a neighborhood, you know?[/QUOTE] Yeah, like any dangerous hobby, like urbexing or skateboarding, [I]or parkour[/I] ;v
[QUOTE=DiscoMelon;50496798]Yeah, like any dangerous hobby, like urbexing or skateboarding, [I]or parkour[/I] ;v[/QUOTE] Believing that people have the right to risk their lives in an extreme sport doesn't mean that I can't think they're fuckin' stupid for it, tbh, but as long as it's being done in a way that doesn't put other people at risk my opinion doesn't really matter. Jumping between buildings over a pedestrian walkway in parkour, for example, is not okay. If you fall onto a sidewalk from the top of a building, it's not just your life you're risking, but the lives of anyone who may happen to be passing below you. Likewise, with skateboarding, if you're doing tricks in traffic or some shit you're obviously putting other people at risk in a way that you wouldn't be just casually rolling down the sidewalk. All I'm saying is that this shit needs to be practiced with sound judgment, and preferably in a controlled environment. Your personal thrill isn't worth somebody else's life.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50496493]Agreed. You are certainly free to risk your life, so long as you're doing it in a manner which does not risk other peoples' lives who may be unwilling participants to your little game. [B]Tearing ass around a racetrack is a very different game from ripping through a neighborhood, you know?[/B][/QUOTE] But iom tt is basically the latter :v:
[QUOTE=download;50496416]Yes. An adult is capable of making the decision to risk their lives for a motorcycle race.[/QUOTE] I wonder what reaction there would be to reintroducing gladiator games.
[QUOTE=Hillo;50496825]But iom tt is basically the latter :v:[/QUOTE] I'm really not familiar with the race, but I'm assuming that it's an organized event with a closed track? It doesn't really matter if it runs through an urban area, as long as the course has been properly secured by police, etc to ensure no pedestrians or other vehicles are put in harm's way. That's all I mean by a "racetrack."
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50496561]Regardless, human life should be regarded higher than that of a horse. I felt it was relevant in the sense that you would expect people to make more of a fuss when 5 people die over 5 horses dying.[/QUOTE] Again, they chose to participate in this race which is known to be dangerous. The horses don't get any choice. That's the big difference.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50496845]I'm really not familiar with the race, but I'm assuming that it's an organized event with a closed track? It doesn't really matter if it runs through an urban area, as long as the course has been properly secured by police, etc to ensure no pedestrians or other vehicles are put in harm's way. That's all I mean by a "racetrack."[/QUOTE] They're closed public roads. This is the North West 200, which is a similar event in ireland. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzWf-6UzQUA[/media] and an onboard of the TT [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2TVnGBS1F8[/media]
[QUOTE=Talishmar;50496839]I wonder what reaction there would be to reintroducing gladiator games.[/QUOTE] Dying as a result of an accident =/= dying as a result of blood sport, so it would clearly be a different reaction.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50496405]So consent makes it ok? Boxers consent too, but people still campaign for it to be outlawed.[/QUOTE] Some people have a serious hatred of violence, even if it's done with all parties full consent. They legitimately view it as different than risky activities like base jumping, racing, white water stuff, etc. Funnily enough, the people who are vehemently against boxing seem perfectly OK with people blowing their brains out on hard drugs. At least in my experience. That one's never made sense to me.
I am not against people choosing to endanger their lives for fun. I am surprised that the media is kinda quiet on this and that the public outcry has not been bigger.
Why did you get horses into this? Forget about the horses. Anyway, I didn't really know what the Isle on Man TT even is, but apparently it's just the [I]racers[/I] who have been dying during the event, and not live spectators or anything which is good, right? At least BDA seemed concerned over the onlookers, while others are apparently concerned over the safety of horses.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50509249]Why did you get horses into this? Forget about the horses. Anyway, I didn't really know what the Isle on Man TT even is, but apparently it's just the [I]racers[/I] who have been dying during the event, and not live spectators or anything which is good, right? At least BDA seemed concerned over the onlookers, while others are apparently concerned over the safety of horses.[/QUOTE] I have changed the O.P, hopefully nobody will mention horses ever again in this thread.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50509524]I have changed the O.P, hopefully nobody will mention horses ever again in this thread.[/QUOTE] how is your new and improved OP better, no one expects to die playing tiddlywinks of course there will be an outrage. people go into bike racing knowing full well that every race could be their last, so when racers die the natural response is "RIP he died pursuing his passions and doing what he loved". next please
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