Now Polish citizens get free abortions on NHS - Polidicks

[QUOTE]POSTERS advising Polish women to fly to Britain for free abortions on the NHS sparked outrage yesterday. They urge women to take advantage of EU rules allowing Poles free medical care in the UK. It tells them it is cheaper to fly to the UK to end an unwanted pregnancy than to pay for an illegal backstreet termination in Poland. The advert – [B]which borrows tastelessly from a famous “Priceless” credit card campaign[/B] – [B]is promoted by a Polish feminist group[/B]. It was condemned last night for encouraging “abortion tourism”, and piling pressure on the hard-pressed NHS. Critics warn that Britain is at risk of becoming the abortion capital of Europe. A Polish source said yesterday that thousands of Polish women already flee the strict Roman Catholic country’s anti-abortion laws every year to undergo the procedure on the NHS. Sir Andrew Green, chairman of think tank Migration Watch, said: “We should insist the Polish government take action to have these posters removed.” He said the NHS was in danger of becoming an “international health service” and called for NHS clinics to make sure that those who turn up for free treatment are entitled to it. The poster, left, shows a woman dressed in underwear with the words “My Choice” daubed in English across her stomach in large blood-red letters. [B]The words alongside parody a well-known Mastercard advert, starting: “Plane ticket to England at special offer – 300 zloty (£70). The punchline reads: “Relief after a procedure carried out in decent conditions…PRICELESS.” [/B] The posters, devised by Polish feminist organisation SROM, are plastered on billboards across Poland. Michaela Aston, of the anti-abortion group LIFE, said: “Abortion can have serious effects on a woman’s physical and mental health. “This blinkered advice will result in many Polish women making this decision without any counselling, only to return home to cope alone with the consequences.” A the Department of Health spokesman said: “The NHS is provided primarily for the benefit of people *lawfully resident in the UK. “We do, however, choose to exempt from charge the residents of some countries for some treatment needs when they visit the UK.” He said the arrangement was reciprocal, meaning British citizens can receive similar benefits. He said where treatment is given the NHS is obliged to attempt to recover the full cost of chargeable treatment. But Kevin Barron, chairman of the Commons health select committee, said last night: “The NHS should not be funding terminations for Polish women. “This would be against all the regulations and if a woman who is not British attempted to get a termination here I would hope they would be turned away.” [/QUOTE][URL]http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/163198/Now-Poles-get-free-abortions-on-NHS[/URL] So what do you think? I personally believe you should be charged a specific sum of money if you purposely enter the country for free health treatment, what I despise is the blatant ignorant advertisement campaign telling woman to come to the UK and get free abortions, that's feminist groups for you. I'm also curious to why they pick Britain instead of France/Germany etc, maybe because they don't tolerate such system abusing nonsense. The NHS is entitled to help everyone they can for free, yes, but at what expense for us citizens who actually pay the tax money to feed this system? The NHS is become stretched in specific regions as it is and a influx of people coming from different countries (who would not be accounted for on the budget for the NHS) is a unneeded burden on [B]our[/B] national health care. I can agree if say, you had an accident here or where hurt in some other way then I would support the free health care needed, but for purposely 'lets abuse this systems generosity' tactics is outrageous. I'm actually curious how hard these feminist groups are actually campaigning for in their own country for abortions. Then again Poland is fucking Roman Catholic, good luck to them. If people are going to be doing this, I believe the EU should give us some expense, say the tax money they take off us all the time, it should be paid back to us. Of course people would still attempt to come over here because that's human nature, to use a system that's better - but at least at the end of the day we'd still be getting our money back so our system would not suffer and thus us, British tax paying citizens would not be effected. That's just my personal theory anyway.

What do people have against abortions anyway?

Abortions should only be free if the baby is either going to kill the mother/has some kind of miserable deformity. It shouldn't be used as birth control for some lazy whores that couldn't keep all those dicks out of her coochie.

[QUOTE=Communist Cake;20777319]What do people have against abortions anyway?[/QUOTE]I'm not really that against it, I just hate it because it is a get out of jail free card for a lot of stupid people.

[QUOTE=MrProud;20777339]Abortions should only be free if the baby is either going to kill the mother/has some kind of miserable deformity. It shouldn't be used as birth control for some lazy whores that couldn't keep all those dicks out of her coochie.[/QUOTE] From what I understand abortion is not a medical service that has to be provided in an emergency, so I don't understand what the NHS is doing giving them out free like that. Such cases like rape or risk of the mother I consider should be free though.

[QUOTE=Vasili;20777351]From what I understand abortion is not a medical service that has to be provided in an emergency, so I don't understand what the NHS is doing giving them out free like that. Such cases like rape or risk of the mother I consider should be free though.[/QUOTE] Population control?

[QUOTE=MrProud;20777358]Population control?[/QUOTE] I think population control in regards to Britain in general is not a problem, our population is growing through immigration and not childbirth, I believe I read today birth rates are on the decline in Britain, hence we are requiring more immigration to aid in work as more and more people are retiring and living longer. But free abortions for population control is at this present time, silly. The planet can sustain a lot more people than society at the moment is thinking.

Why shouldn't abortions be free? Isn't it better to, and however cynical this sounds, remove a problem relatively cheaply, rather that either having a child grow up poor, then live off of benefits, or grow up in the CPS systems, or any number of shitty lives. Most of the time, an unwanted child will have a shitty life, and end up leeching off of benefits.

[QUOTE=Deathbyfire;20777410]Why shouldn't abortions be free? Isn't it better to, and however cynical this sounds, remove a problem relatively cheaply, rather that either having a child grow up poor, then live off of benefits, or grow up in the CPS systems, or any number of shitty lives. Most of the time, an unwanted child will have a shitty life, and end up leeching off of benefits.[/QUOTE] So it's okay to kill/destory something because it's not profitable?

Man this is bullshit. Everyday there's something in the news about how the NHS is being strained. This is just going to add pressure.

Lucky for them.

[QUOTE=MrProud;20777339]Abortions should only be free if the baby is either going to kill the mother/has some kind of miserable deformity. It shouldn't be used as birth control for some lazy whores that couldn't keep all those dicks out of her coochie.[/QUOTE] Hey guys birth control works 100% of the time because I said so

[QUOTE=MrProud;20777442]So it's okay to kill/destory something because it's not profitable?[/QUOTE] Yes it is if you don't want a baby.

[QUOTE=Ultragamer05;20777348]I'm not really that against it, I just hate it because it is a get out of jail free card for a lot of stupid people.[/QUOTE] But it's a life-saver for a lot of other people too.

As far as healthcare goes I think that if you can afford to not leach off the system, you shouldn't leach off of it. If you need medical care and you can't afford it, it's there for you.

Abortions are not bad.I like this idea. I am now waiting to get flammed by some religious fuckhead

It's a legitimate medical procedure like anything else. If NHS wants to provide care to anyone that flies into the country, that's there prerogative.

It's better they abort the child then have the child grow up in a home that can't support them and never really wanted them in the first place.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;20778766]It's better they abort the child then have the child grow up in a home that can't support them and never really wanted them in the first place.[/QUOTE] That's subjective, I for one would rather live like that than not live at all. [editline]04:21PM[/editline] Which is why you can't bring morals into lawmaking.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;20778642]It's a legitimate medical procedure like anything else. If NHS wants to provide care to anyone that flies into the country, that's there prerogative.[/QUOTE] The NHS is supposed to be mainly for people living in this country, not those who purposely come abroad for free health care, that's wrong because they do not fund the system while the people here who pay the taxes, do. I don't mind the odd few who have some sort of emergency treatment needed or had an accident happen here, but coming here to get free abortions? That's plain wrong. You have to remember that its not 'their prerogative' - its ours because we, the people of this nation, fund it. Since when Britain joined the EU it has to help everyone in the European Union, that's all fine but on such a piss take like this? No, that is not fair on us especially seeing we wouldn't be able to do the same things back in their country. I remember when lots of British citizens went over to Poland for dental care, but as I recall we still had to pay, but it was cheaper than paying here (but I am not 100 percent sure on that). [QUOTE=Deathbyfire;20777410]Why shouldn't abortions be free? Isn't it better to, and however cynical this sounds, remove a problem relatively cheaply, rather that either having a child grow up poor, then live off of benefits, or grow up in the CPS systems, or any number of shitty lives. Most of the time, an unwanted child will have a shitty life, and end up leeching off of benefits.[/QUOTE] Everycase is different, but you give the impression that everyone who gets pregnant and does not want the child is going to let it grow up on benefits and be a general scumbag to society. Talking from personal experience I regret thinking that my nephew came very close to being aborted, he's an amazing little child and he's being taught proper moral and having good parenting. I think there is a bit too much 'my life, my own choice' going on nowadays, your actions usually effect others is what I am believe. Besides, if a pregnant woman is desperate to have an abortion then she should have to pay, that's if the pregnancy was not caused by rape or she is too young to support a child etc. I'm not saying getting an abortion if you simply do not want the child should be very expensive however, something reasonable and affordable.

I know people who have had a very unhappy childhood because they have not been wished. If a family can't support a child and the child thus can't find encouragement to lead a good life it's a lose/lose for everyone: the parents, society and last but not least, the child in question.

Fucking feminists, making us Poles look bad. Lobby the fucking politicians for a bill allowing abortion, even most catholics in Poland want it.

[QUOTE=MachiniOs;20779719]Fucking feminists, making us Poles look bad. Lobby the fucking politicians for a bill allowing abortion, even most catholics in Poland want it.[/QUOTE] How does it make you look bad?

My home country makes me proud.

being part of the EU has negatives and positives.

This is why we need the BNP now the National Health Service is becoming less national

[QUOTE=Vasili;20779132]The NHS is supposed to be mainly for people living in this country, not those who purposely come abroad for free health care, that's wrong because they do not fund the system while the people here who pay the taxes, do. I don't mind the odd few who have some sort of emergency treatment needed or had an accident happen here, but coming here to get free abortions? That's plain wrong. You have to remember that its not 'their prerogative' - its ours because we, the people of this nation, fund it. Since when Britain joined the EU it has to help everyone in the European Union, that's all fine but on such a piss take like this? No, that is not fair on us especially seeing we wouldn't be able to do the same things back in their country. I remember when lots of British citizens went over to Poland for dental care, but as I recall we still had to pay, but it was cheaper than paying here (but I am not 100 percent sure on that).[/QUOTE] Every country in the EU has agreed on opening up their health care to EU citizens. Britain isn't some kind of "exceptional" case. Like every other EU nation, Britain pays a member fee and recieves funding for a bunch of stuff - the money is divided equally. Stop using taxes as an argument. 26 other countries are paying for your shit.

Do you have to be a British citizen to use their NHS? I know in Canada you can't legally use our healthcare system if you're not a Canadian. (But people still do)

[QUOTE=demoguy08;20781272]Every country in the EU has agreed on opening up their health care to EU citizens. Britain isn't some kind of "exceptional" case. Like every other EU nation, Britain pays a member fee and recieves funding for a bunch of stuff - the money is divided equally. Stop using taxes as an argument. 26 other countries are paying for your shit.[/QUOTE] Actually as far as I am aware if you are a EU/EEA citizen you are entitled to use Polish health care services with only your European Health Insurance Card. Emergency treatment and treatment in case of sudden illnesses usually is free of charge. But in other cases you might be asked to pay upfront. Though I think getting insurance does not apply to Great Britain because of the bilateral agreement signed by Poland and Britain, but we will still have to pay upfront for other treatment; Lets say if Poland allowed abortions, British citizens would have to pay to get one, so why not the same here? As I said its a obvious abuse of the system. So also tell me if it is open to all EU members, why are Polish people completely avoiding countries such as France and Germany which are directly on their route of travel? We do get support from the EU but it is minimal as far as I am aware. Unless you can show me a list of things the EU helps us with and specific amounts of money they give to us compared to how much we give back to the rest of Europe which I, personally believe is greater than we get back. Though I could be wrong on that. [editline]07:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;20781485]Do you have to be a British citizen to use their NHS? I know in Canada you can't legally use our healthcare system if you're not a Canadian. (But people still do)[/QUOTE] Nope, if you're hurt or ill (or apparently if you want an abortion) you can go in and get free healthcare.

[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;20780905]This is why we need the BNP now the National Health Service is becoming less national[/QUOTE] The BNP Are fascists and a international health service could be a good Idea.