Pennsylvanians ask feds to help disarm intimidating small-town militia
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[QUOTE]The police chief of a small Pennsylvania borough has been temporarily removed from his post, but his opponents are far from satisfied. Now residents of a sparsely populated former coal town are asking the feds to intervene in fear of an armed revolt.
Gilberton, Pennsylvania Police Chief Mark Kessler made international headlines last month when his personal, profanity laced YouTube videos went viral, in turn exposing the world to a lawman seemingly intent with defending his Second Amendment right by any means necessary.
“Secretary of State John Kerry, that piece of shit traitor. Who is he to decide what we can and can’t own?” Kessler says in one clip where he argues in support of gun ownership. “And fuck the UN. Who are they to decide what we, the American people, can own?” the disgruntled officer asks.
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Well this is the consequences of your gun culture.
If there's actually an armed assault... Well, it was bound to happen eventually. You can't have hundreds of armed militias, vigilantes, and extremists and not have this happen at least once.
Uh-oh. This could turn bad.
Pathetic
Oh geez, how did I not hear of this? My county even borders Schuylkill.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;41739718]Well this is the consequences of your gun culture.[/QUOTE]
So what, are we supposed to just toss out all our guns?
There is no issue with a militia in and of itself. If he/they have committed some other offense, then they can be prosecuted for that. Has anybody thought of just leaving the guy alone? He is entitled to his opinions.
He's so angry in that video I'm sure I noticed his face get slightly larger with his anger levels.
OH YEAH!
Remember that news article about the militia that would revolt if Obama was elected again?
I think this is that militia.
I may not agree with some of his views but this is exactly what the second amendment is for. They have every right to bear arms and form a militia as long as they are not breaking any laws.
Oh it's one of those people who think the Arms Trade Treaty has anything to do with domestic gun laws
Attacking these guys would be unconstitutional, and would only strengthen the Militia Movement.
[QUOTE=nintenman1;41739784]There is no issue with a militia in and of itself. If he/they have committed some other offense, then they can be prosecuted for that. Has anybody thought of just leaving the guy alone? He is entitled to his opinions.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's legal to use your militia to intimidate and blockade people from public meetings, so I imagine there could be a case against him. Don't know how it would play out though.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;41739779]So what, are we supposed to just toss out all our guns?[/QUOTE]
Kick the opressive corporate system out first.
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;41739796]I may not agree with some of his views but this is exactly what the second amendment is for. They have every right to bear arms and form a militia as long as they are not breaking any laws.[/QUOTE]
Being able to form a militia is one thing.
However, using it to suppress political dissent is a whole other issue, and that seems to be what Kessler is into.
Don't get me wrong, the second amendment is a great cause to stand by, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, preferably long before the point where the militia is being used to intimidate people.
sick gun but what's he doing without a kevlar vest
militias are in the constitution, yeah good luck
[QUOTE=daschnek;41739860]Being able to form a militia is one thing.
However, using it to suppress political dissent is a whole other issue, and that seems to be what Kessler is into.
Don't get me wrong, the second amendment is a great cause to stand by, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, preferably long before the point where the militia is being used to intimidate people.[/QUOTE]
That's a very slippery slope, you can't just throw people in jail or whatever just because they may have the power to intimidate people.
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;41739896]That's a very slippery slope, you can't just throw people in jail or whatever just because they may have the power to intimidate people.[/QUOTE]
It's not about throwing people in jail for having a power to intimidate, but rather the act of using it for some sort of political gain.
His cause is a decent one, but I can't sympathize with using potentially lethal force that way
[QUOTE=daschnek;41739860]Being able to form a militia is one thing.
However, using it to suppress political dissent is a whole other issue, and that seems to be what Kessler is into.
Don't get me wrong, the second amendment is a great cause to stand by, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, preferably long before the point where the militia is being used to intimidate people.[/QUOTE]
I agree. There's nothing wrong with the idea of forming a militia, the problem with this case lies in the fact that the militia is acting against the people they are supposed to be there to protect. If the government was doing this, less than half of Facepunch would be up in arms about it, but when a small town militia does the same thing, we get a horde of idiots spewing shit about gun culture. The problem doesn't sit on the fact they have guns, the problem sits on the fact they're abusing their rights to form what is pretty much a mafia organization. I know plenty of militia's and militia members that are only organized to keep the people safe in the event of a foreign invasion, they do community service together, and a few of them are volunteer firefighters or work in other public safety jobs. These penn. idiots are just a bunch of gun toting retards.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41739763]Oh geez, how did I not hear of this? My county even borders Schuylkill.[/QUOTE]
I live in Schuylkill county, Pottsville represent
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;41739894]militias are in the constitution, yeah good luck[/QUOTE]
They may be in the constitution, but organized criminal organizations aren't, and using your power as a militia to intimidate people for political reasons tends to make you a criminal organization.
[QUOTE=daschnek;41739928]It's not about throwing people in jail for having a power to intimidate, but rather the act of using it for some sort of political gain.
His cause is a decent one, but I can't sympathize with using potentially lethal force that way[/QUOTE]
You think a militia can sway a federal government that has substantial military might behind it? I don't think so.
This guy is also on the local school board, FYI, and according to the school board President Charles Hepler, nothing can be done to remove him. So, Gilberton has a paranoid illiterate not only as their former chief of police, but also has a post on the local school board.
Think about that for a few seconds.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41739763]Oh geez, how did I not hear of this? My county even borders Schuylkill.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jetpack Bear;41739947]I live in Schuylkill county, Pottsville represent[/QUOTE]
My NEPA brethren, I live 20 minutes from Schuylkill and I can totally see this thing happening.
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;41739796]I may not agree with some of his views but this is exactly what the second amendment is for. They have every right to bear arms and form a militia as long as they are not breaking any laws.[/QUOTE]
The article makes it sound more like the townspeople are afraid of the militia becoming malevolent.
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;41739991]You think a militia can sway a federal government that has substantial military might behind it? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]
Not the federal government, but rather, the local county government he seems to be trying to take hostage
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;41739796]I may not agree with some of his views but this is exactly what the second amendment is for. They have every right to bear arms and form a militia as long as they are not breaking any laws.[/QUOTE]
The Second Amendment is basically null and void at this point in history. The right to bear arms and the right to use those arms to overthrow a rogue government is worthless when the government is infinitely better armed than the populace. The government has nothing to fear from citizens armed with hunting rifles and shotguns when they have guided missiles, drones, and assault rifles and the willingness to use them on people they treat as 'potential enemy combatants' (aka basically every American citizen, according to the scope of the NSA's domestic surveillance program).
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