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Mexican President Felipe Calderon glances behind after unveiling a banner reading "No More Weapons" during an event next to the Cordova-Americas international border crossing bridge in the border city of Ciudad Juarez February 16, 2012. The army destroyed 3,091 rifles, 3,697 guns, 21 grenades and 456,308 bullets of different calibres, seized from alleged drug traffickers, during an operation on Wednesday at a military zone on the outskirts of Ciudad Juarez. REUTERS/Alfredo Guerrero/Mexico Presidency/Handout (MEXICO - Tags: CRIME LAW DRUGS SOCIETY) FOR EDITORIAL USE ONLY. NOT FOR SALE FOR MARKETING OR ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS. THIS IMAGE HAS BEEN SUPPLIED BY A THIRD PARTY. IT IS DISTRIBUTED, EXACTLY AS RECEIVED BY REUTERS, AS A SERVICE TO CLIENTS
CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) — President Felipe Calderon on Thursday unveiled a "No More Weapons!" billboard made with crushed firearms and placed near the U.S. border. He urged the United States to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico.
The billboard, which is in English and weighs 3 tons, was placed near an international bridge in Ciudad Juarez and can be seen from the United States.
Calderon said the billboard's letters were made with weapons seized by local, state and federal authorities.
"Dear friends of the United States, Mexico needs your help to stop this terrible violence that we're suffering," Calderon said in English during the unveiling ceremony.
"The best way to do this is to stop the flow of automatic weapons into Mexico," he added.
Before unveiling the billboard, Calderon supervised the destruction of more than 7,500 automatic rifles and handguns at a military base in Ciudad Juarez.
Calderon said more than 140,000 weapons have been seized since December 2006, when he launched a crackdown against drug traffickers. More than 47,500 people have been killed since then.
One of the cities most affected by the violence is Ciudad Juarez, where more than 9,000 have died in drug violence since 2008.
Also Thursday, the country's Attorney General said a federal prosecutor assigned to a northern state has been detained on suspicion of protecting the brutal Zetas drug cartel.
Attorney General Marisela Morales said federal prosecutor Claudia Gonzalez has been sent to prison. She didn't say when Gonzalez was detained or give any other details.
Gonzalez was based in the city of Saltillo, capital of the border state of Coahuila.
The state on the border with Texas has seen a spike of violence as the Zetas and the Sinaloa drug cartel fight for control of drug smuggling routes into the United States.[/release]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/no-more-weapons-billboard-placed-us-border-053553960.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Conscript;34748323]that's like saying 'stop demanding drugs then'[/QUOTE]
That is kind of the point.
Either party getting pissed at the other is fucking ridiculous.
Especially given the misconception that any significant percentage of the autos are coming from the United States.
We had one sting that went wrong. Other than that WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE AUTOMATIC WEAPON BLACK MARKET. There is no reason to smuggle black market weapons into the US and then smuggle them AGAIN into Mexico. Herp derp.
Oh... guys I think after this sign, we really need to stop, like seriously, I think they're mad.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34748576]That is kind of the point.
Either party getting pissed at the other is fucking ridiculous.
Especially given the misconception that any significant percentage of the autos are coming from the United States.
We had one sting that went wrong. Other than that WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE AUTOMATIC WEAPON BLACK MARKET. There is no reason to smuggle black market weapons into the US and then smuggle them AGAIN into Mexico. Herp derp.[/QUOTE]
Except they're not talking about illegally obtained guns. The CNN did a documentary on this a while ago and according to that report a large portion of all weapons ceased by the mexican police are legally purchased american weapons. Basically drug cartels pay people in the US to buy guns legally and then get them shipped to mexico.
What aydin690 said. It's very, very easy to buy guns in some US states. Then they're just smuggled into Mexico.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34748576]That is kind of the point.
Either party getting pissed at the other is fucking ridiculous.
Especially given the misconception that any significant percentage of the autos are coming from the United States.
We had one sting that went wrong. Other than that WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE AUTOMATIC WEAPON BLACK MARKET. There is no reason to smuggle black market weapons into the US and then smuggle them AGAIN into Mexico. Herp derp.[/QUOTE]
Except it's not ridiculous.
Do you know about the ATF's fast and furious operation?
yeah.
[QUOTE=aydin690;34748681]Except they're not talking about illegally obtained guns. The CNN did a documentary on this a while ago and according to that report a large portion of all weapons ceased by the mexican police are legally purchased american weapons. Basically drug cartels pay people in the US to buy guns legally and then get them shipped to mexico.[/QUOTE]
I was referring to this " 7,500 automatic rifles"
Generally with rifles you specify "semiautomatic" if you are simply referring to a self loading rifle. Automatic rifles, unlike automatic handguns, suggests fully automatic capabilities.
Not that buying automatic rifles from the US would be cost efficient in the slightest.
[QUOTE=aydin690;34748681]drug cartels pay people in the US to buy guns legally and then get them shipped to mexico.[/QUOTE]
more like the ATF pays people to have drug cartels pay them and then ship them to mexico
[editline]18th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;34748754]I was referring to this " 7,500 automatic rifles"
Generally with rifles you specify "semiautomatic" automatic rifles, unlike automatic handguns, suggests fully automatic capabilities.
Not that buying automatic rifles from the US would be cost efficient in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
It's cost efficient when you're bribing Mexican officers to divert some of the weapons aid the US gives :v:
How is the the US's problem? Why do we need to alter our economic structure at the expense of US citizens because the Mexican government is incompetent?
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34748876]How is the the US's problem? Why do we need to alter our economic structure at the expense of US citizens because the Mexican government is incompetent?[/QUOTE]
Mexican government is somehow incompetent because US of A sells rifles to the mexican cartel?
[QUOTE=aydin690;34749086]Mexican government is somehow incompetent because US of A sells rifles to the mexican cartel?[/QUOTE]
In what capacity?
[QUOTE=aydin690;34748681]Except they're not talking about illegally obtained guns. The CNN did a documentary on this a while ago and according to that report a large portion of all weapons ceased by the mexican police are legally purchased american weapons. Basically drug cartels pay people in the US to buy guns legally and then get them shipped to mexico.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/mexico-gun-stats-spark-backlash/article_ace91460-0d8e-594b-8477-d6490b69edac.html[/url]
The truth was, Mexico seized about 30,000 firearms that year, and of those, the ATF successfully traced about 4,000. Of that subset, 87 percent came from the United States. Mexico asks U.S. officials to trace only those guns likely to have a U.S. nexus.
So 87% of a little over 10%.
[quote][B]ATF officials report that 90% of the firearms recovered in Mexico came from U.S. gun dealers, and about 55% of these guns were identified as assault rifles.[/B] However, the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General reported only 18,585 seized Mexican firearms were successfully traced to the United States in the last five years (2005–2009) out of 66,028 firearms submitted by Mexico to ATF for tracing. In response to the majority claim in a 2009 GAO report, [B]the DHS pointed out that the "majority" were 3,480 U.S. origin guns of 4,000 successfully tracable by ATF out a total of 30,000 firearms seized in Mexico 2004 to 2008.[/B] Mexican officials submitted some 32% of the guns seized to the ATF for tracing. The ATF was able to trace less than half of the weapons submitted. Overall, [B]83% of the guns seized by Mexican authorities could not be traced.[/B][/quote]
it's all in the eye of statistician
How will Americans shoot each other without guns though?
[QUOTE=Contag;34749190]it's all in the eye of statistician[/QUOTE]
Cool stats.
How are they relevant?
What is worse, I wonder? A society where people are free to use substances as they please, for better or for worse, or a society where cartels run the streets of our southern border, thousands die, and gangs dominate our inner cities with money earned from drug deals.
I've always wondered, why do they destroy the weapons they seize? I guess they smelt them down and use the metal or something.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;34749490]I've always wondered, why do they destroy the weapons they seize? I guess they smelt them down and use the metal or something.[/QUOTE]
It's actually cheaper to manufacture new guns than go through the process of transporting them, most of the time.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34749378]Cool stats.
How are they relevant?[/QUOTE]
They are relevant because they show that Mexico is looking to scapegoat the US, rather than deal with thieves and crooks in their own government.
Have to commend them on doing something artistic with those weapons.
If it was the other way around; guns flowing in to the U.S. and drugs flowing out, with massive violence in America due to gangs and cartels, we would all be flipping a shit. I don't see the problem with the sign.
[editline]17th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ridge;34749933]They are relevant because they show that Mexico is looking to scapegoat the US, rather than deal with thieves and crooks in their own government.[/QUOTE]
It didn't say that they traced them to other countries, it says they didn't trace them what so ever. Perhaps filed off serial numbers or as it mentions, they didn't actually submit them.
The ATF can only trace firearms sold in the US, because they have likely gone through at least one legitimate dealer, creating a paper trail with the serial number.
[QUOTE=Jimpy;34750259]If it was the other way around; guns flowing in to the U.S. and drugs flowing out, with massive violence in America due to gangs and cartels, we would all be flipping a shit. I don't see the problem with the sign.[/QUOTE]
The problem with this sign is that they're blaming their problems in curbing firearms trafficking on the United States when in reality its the result of their corrupt and ineffectual government and police force. Then to add injury to insult, its Mexico's drug cartels bringing their conflicts into places across the US border.
[QUOTE=Ridge;34749933]They are relevant because they show that Mexico is looking to scapegoat the US, rather than deal with thieves and crooks in their own government.[/QUOTE]
And that US federal agencies are using that to support further gun control measures, despite the lack of evidence
[QUOTE=GunFox;34748576]That is kind of the point.
Either party getting pissed at the other is fucking ridiculous.
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It's not so much a case of being pissed off at America as it is one of appearing to be doing something. By putting up a clear sign like this, Calderon looks like he's doing something when it's pretty unclear otherwise what he has done to curb violence. It's his last few months in office, he has to be seen to be effective somehow, even if it's token gestures.
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