Female Student Said, 'I'm Fine and I Wasn't Raped.' University Investigated, Expelled Boyfriend Anyw - Polidicks

[quote]Colorado State University-Pueblo suspended a male athlete for years after he was found responsible for sexually assaulting a female trainer. But the trainer never accused him of wrongdoing, and said repeatedly that their relationship was consensual. She even stated, unambiguously, "I'm fine and I wasn't raped." That's according to the athlete's lawsuit against CSUP, which persuasively argues that the university not only deprived him of fundamental due process rights, but also denied sexual agency to an adult woman. Taken at face value, this case appears to represent one of the most paternalistic, puritanically anti-sex witch hunts ever reported on a college campus. ... At one point, Neal expressed concerns about giving Doe a hickey—a kiss mark on her neck—because the other trainers might notice it. Doe encouraged him to do so anyway, and promised to wear a hoodie the next day. These and other anecdotes demonstrate Doe's full complicity in the sexual activity that took place, though her statements are even more definitive. The hickey was indeed noticed by another trainer, described as the "Complainant" in the lawsuit. When confronted, Doe confessed to the Complainant that she and Dean had engaged in sex. According to the lawsuit, the Complainant "presumed" this sex was nonconsensual, and reported it to the director of the athletic training program. [/quote] [url]http://reason.com/blog/2016/04/19/female-student-said-im-fine-and-i-wasnt[/url]

Universities shouldn't be allowed to investigate these things themselves. Hand it over to the police who actually know how to deal with this stuff.

This isn't anti-sex. This is others assuming that the adult woman has no agency. Thus they must protect her even against her will. Basically, SJW for you.

not really trusting that source honestly

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50168294]not really trusting that source honestly[/QUOTE] [url]http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/19/csu-pueblo-grant-neal-suspension-consensual-sex/[/url] [url]http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29786112/csu-student-sues-college-sanctioning-him-what-he[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sexual-assault-lawsuit-education-department_us_57165996e4b0018f9cbb2a55[/url] yeah it's all made up because you don't like it

Here's another source then. [url]http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/19/csu-pueblo-grant-neal-suspension-consensual-sex/[/url] This situation is completely screwed up. Appears more like complete negligence instead of sjw people though. Either way, colleges should not be doing rape investigations Edit: ninjad

[QUOTE=Kigen;50168291]This isn't anti-sex. This is others assuming that the adult woman has no agency. Thus they must protect her even against her will. Basically, SJW for you.[/QUOTE] How is removing female sexual agency not anti sex? That's pretty much one of the primary anti-sex actions.

[QUOTE=Kigen;50168291]This isn't anti-sex. This is others assuming that the adult woman has no agency. Thus they must protect her even against her will. Basically, SJW for you.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you don't actually know what sjw means.

[QUOTE=elfbarf;50168333]yeah it's all made up because you don't like it[/QUOTE] What a ridiculous thing to say to a single critique of a source that wasn't really inflammatory. If you've got better sources (and those are better sources) [I]post them first[/I] and people won't have to feel skeptical about it.

[QUOTE=elfbarf;50168333][url]http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/19/csu-pueblo-grant-neal-suspension-consensual-sex/[/url] [url]http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29786112/csu-student-sues-college-sanctioning-him-what-he[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sexual-assault-lawsuit-education-department_us_57165996e4b0018f9cbb2a55[/url] yeah it's all made up because you don't like it[/QUOTE] whoa, what's wrong with wanting a reputable source?

[QUOTE=elfbarf;50168333][url]http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/19/csu-pueblo-grant-neal-suspension-consensual-sex/[/url] [url]http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29786112/csu-student-sues-college-sanctioning-him-what-he[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sexual-assault-lawsuit-education-department_us_57165996e4b0018f9cbb2a55[/url] yeah it's all made up because you don't like it[/QUOTE] He didnt say he didnt like it. He just said he didnt really trust the source. Dont need to get so up in arms

[QUOTE=bitches;50168443]Sounds like you don't actually know what sjw means.[/QUOTE] People with radical views believed a women was not capable acting or thinking of her own volition, or otherwise believed that there was no possible other outcome than the man being guilty of some sexual wrong doing. That fits the title pretty perfectly honestly.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;50168477]What a ridiculous thing to say to a single critique of a source that wasn't really inflammatory. If you've got better sources (and those are better sources) [I]post them first[/I] and people won't have to feel skeptical about it.[/QUOTE] At the same time everyone here has access to Google and we're all capable of seeing for ourselves whether or not that is the only source. Why make shitty skeptical posts like that when you can so easily find better sources? The time it took to type that post could've been used to Google, making the post wholly unnecessary. [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] Borderline not-even-read-the-article level.

[QUOTE=mooman1080;50168486]People with radical views believed a women was not capable acting or thinking of her own volition, or otherwise believed that there was no possible other outcome than the man being guilty of some sexual wrong doing. That fits the title pretty perfectly honestly.[/QUOTE] I don't recall anyone identifying with feminism advocating less rights of discourse for women. The motive doesn't fit. I'd you're going to throw around buzzwords, use them correctly at least. The motive aligns with conservative mindsets.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;50168505]At the same time everyone here has access to Google and we're all capable of seeing for ourselves whether or not that is the only source. Why make shitty skeptical posts like that when you can so easily find better sources? The time it took to type that post could've been used to Google, making the post wholly unnecessary. [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] Borderline not-even-read-the-article level.[/QUOTE] Because "Don't post articles from unreliable sources" is right in the section rules. As, I might add, is "No blogs or articles from blog-type websites."

[QUOTE=elfbarf;50168333][url]http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/19/csu-pueblo-grant-neal-suspension-consensual-sex/[/url] [url]http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29786112/csu-student-sues-college-sanctioning-him-what-he[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sexual-assault-lawsuit-education-department_us_57165996e4b0018f9cbb2a55[/url] yeah it's all made up because you don't like it[/QUOTE] no need for the hostility but anything with /blog/ kind of makes me skeptical, as you should expect

[QUOTE=bitches;50168515]I don't recall anyone identifying with feminism advocating less rights of discourse for women. The motive doesn't fit. I'd you're going to throw around buzzwords, use them correctly at least. The motive aligns with conservative mindsets.[/QUOTE] Who said anything about feminism? A guy got expelled from a school because he had a relationship and the school thought it was non consensual despite the women saying otherwise, and you think calling that radical is a jab at feminism? What the hell kind of non sense are you trying to argue?

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50168528]no need for the hostility but anything with /blog/ kind of makes me skeptical, as you should expect[/QUOTE] Reason is a pretty reputable source. It's not like I'm posting Fox News or Breitbart. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_(magazine)#Hit_.26_Run[/url]

[quote]According to the lawsuit, the Complainant "presumed" this sex was nonconsensual, and reported it to the director of the athletic training program.[/quote] How can you fuck up this badly

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;50168477]What a ridiculous thing to say to a single critique of a source that wasn't really inflammatory. If you've got better sources (and those are better sources) [I]post them first[/I] and people won't have to feel skeptical about it.[/QUOTE] I posted the news article that I originally found, and I know the website to be fairly reputable.

Who would ever think allowing universities to handle sexual assault internally would be a good idea? I've never seen an internal investigation lead to a just outcome.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;50168505]At the same time everyone here has access to Google and we're all capable of seeing for ourselves whether or not that is the only source. Why make shitty skeptical posts like that when you can so easily find better sources? The time it took to type that post could've been used to Google, making the post wholly unnecessary. [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] Borderline not-even-read-the-article level.[/QUOTE] It would have been better if he'd just posted all the sources he had to begin with instead of saving them to get sick zingers on the first person to ask why the only given source is suspicious.

[QUOTE=bitches;50168515]I don't recall anyone identifying with feminism advocating less rights of discourse for women. The motive doesn't fit. I'd you're going to throw around buzzwords, use them correctly at least. The motive aligns with conservative mindsets.[/QUOTE] People who get called SJWs don't necessarily identify as feminists. Like, most of the time they do, but it's not unheard of that they don't. Even then, the case doesn't mean that it was intended to deny a woman her sexual agency, it's just what happened in reality. What was presumed instead, is that a guy raped her and most likely that she was too scared to report it or otherwise decided against reporting abuse. Sounds like something that aligns with radical feminism tbh.

sue them to kingdom fuck also bitches why are you ignoring the obvious, though implicit, definition of "SJW". it's not a buzzword lol it's a very real and present corruption of otherwise noble ideologies. it's hard to believe you'd be ignorant of that.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50168839]sue them to kingdom fuck also bitches why are you ignoring the obvious, though implicit, definition of "SJW". it's not a buzzword lol it's a very real and present corruption of otherwise noble ideologies. it's hard to believe you'd be ignorant of that.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't really say that, but I wouldn't really say it's invalid thing to say.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50168839]sue them to kingdom fuck also bitches why are you ignoring the obvious, though implicit, definition of "SJW". it's not a buzzword lol it's a very real and present corruption of otherwise noble ideologies. it's hard to believe you'd be ignorant of that.[/QUOTE] I don't see how the accuser is advocating social justice though. It seems like he thought someone he knew was raped, reported it, and the university blew it out of proportion.

CSU Pueblo blows anyway. All of Pueblo blows. [QUOTE=plunger435;50168917]I don't see how the accuser is advocating social justice though. It seems like he thought someone he knew was raped, reported it, and the university blew it out of proportion.[/QUOTE] Well, the friend did cause all of this: [QUOTE]The next morning, Oct. 26, a friend of the woman’s noticed a hickey on the woman’s neck. When she learned the woman had sex with a prominent football player, she surmised her friend had been raped and reported that to university authorities. Neal’s girlfriend texted him: ‘I’ve been running around all day talking to so many people, trying to make things right!!! One of the other Athletic Training students screwed me over! … She went behind my back and told my AT advisor stuff that wasn’t true!!! I’m trying so hard to fix it all. I want to tell you what’s going on. Please!”[/QUOTE] When somebody admits to me that they had sex with someone, I don't immediately assume rape and report it to their boss. That's a completely irrational thing to do. The university's decision was based entirely on this one person's completely misguided assumption. Not to say the university isn't at fault here, but had it not been for her friend's stupid overreaction, none of this would have happened. It may not meet the strict English definition of "social justice warrior" but the conformance to the stereotype is obvious.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;50168976]CSU Pueblo blows anyway. All of Pueblo blows. Well, the friend did cause all of this: When somebody admits to me that they had sex with someone, I don't immediately assume rape and report it to their boss. That's a completely irrational thing to do. The university's decision was based entirely on this one person's completely misguided assumption. Not to say the university isn't at fault here, but had it not been for her friend's stupid overreaction, none of this would have happened. It may not meet the strict English definition of "social justice warrior" but the conformance to the stereotype is obvious.[/QUOTE] Except we haven't actually seen anything from the accuser on the matter yet. So we have to go with what only one side is saying.

[QUOTE=plunger435;50169043]Except we haven't actually seen anything from the accuser on the matter yet. So we have to go with what only one side is saying.[/QUOTE] We have both sides, the accuser would normally be an irrelevant third party troll except they're not on the internet.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;50169257]We have both sides, the accuser would normally be an irrelevant third party troll except they're not on the internet.[/QUOTE] This isn't some forum post. It's a real life matter that is about to result in real prosecution eventually the accusers side will have to come out.