Decalcifying The Pineal Gland And Staying Alkaline - General

I thought I'd share something with you all and create an interesting debate. This is the most helpful for living a long and healthy life. You're welcome. You might have an understanding of what a vaporizer is and does. If not, it has an oven that heats it's contents[sp](usually a dry herb, commonly cannabis, but there's so much more herbs you can vaporize to get really good benefits)[/sp] to basically boil[sp](vaporize and boil are phase-change synonyms)[/sp] the herb's oil[sp](pretty much every herb has oil in it. That's how you get vanilla oil/extract, or pepperment oil/extract etc)[/sp] into an inhale-able steam free of any carcinogens caused from smoking. And yes, anything that burns releases carcinogens, you inhale carcinogens when you smoke weed because you are literally lighting it on fire and inhaling the byproducts(tar/soot/carbon). In fact, you actually are inhaling a lot of tar and ash when smoking weed because of how well it burns. It all(most anyway)burns. There's usually not a lot of ash left behind because it's all in your lungs! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that cannabis contains 3 times more carcinogens than a cigarette or that it kills your brain cells, but it's not perfectly harmless unless you are 25 and older, because it can actually affect brain development in adolescent kids and teens. Anyway, if you don't know what your pineal gland is, it's a very vital organ in your brain. It produces: melatonin - the hormone that makes you sleepy and stay asleep serotonin - the hormone that makes you happy; when you are depressed you have low serotonin DMT(Dimethyltryptamine) - the key to consciousness, [sp]I believe it's actually what unlocks your soul from your body, and if you die instantly(like headfirst into a woodchipper or something) you'll be reborn instead. There's been multiple accounts of children recalling their previous life including their mother, father, family, name of the town, what their old house looked like, and of course how they died. Most of these kids died extremely quick, for example one recalled being at the Massachusetts Bombing.[/sp] DMT is produced when you are dreaming and is what's responsible for your vivid dreams, as well as being violently surged through your brain when you die. Some would argue that "Oh that unlocking consciousness stuff is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo, they're just tripping balls!" but people in hospitals that die for 5 or 10 minutes and then come back to life are able to recall what the doctors were wearing(that they didn't see with their own eyes), who was in the room next to them, and such. So, with that out of the way, you may or may not know about the fluoridation of water..and I'm not talking about the natural & minute amounts that occur in water. Chances are, your tap water has flouride in it. They say that "it's good for your teeth" or some shit like that but with some common sense, that statement is completely invalid. Ever look on toothpaste? It says DO NOT INGEST. You put some on your toothbrush and BRUSH YOUR TEETH, not drink the toothpaste. Now the levels of flouride are much smaller compared to toothpaste but after 40 or 50 years it will accumulate. Flouride is [b]magnetically attracted[/b] to your pineal gland and as a result is deposited there. A lifetime of ignorance and/or apathy of flouride eventually results in this. [img]http://d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net/images/news/700_62b2b4643c97bb5fed71f0bb1898f9f6.jpg[/img] The result is a calcified pineal gland. This makes it so adults can't get as good of a sleep, they often have "brain fog" because they "haven't had 3 cups of coffee yet.", and completely stop caring about the health of their consciousness. Imagine a fleshy organ in the brain, with complex connections and folds and such...turned into the consistency of a finger nail. .....yeah. Another few things to consider: Alkaline And Acid. Two opposites. The human body, to be healthy should be slightly alkaline, but the majority of people are most likely very very acidic from [url=http://kangenwell.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/acid-alkaline-food.jpg]acidic products[/url]. The pineal gland, as well as the whole body thrives and prospers in an alkaline enviroment. An acidic body is bad for the pineal gland and your whole body in general. Also: Aluminum is also quite abundant in everyone's daily lives. Aluminum is popularly used in antiperspirant deodorants and soaps...as well as frostings and icings(WTF) in coffee cake and pastries. Switch to a regular deodorant without aluminum(normal deodorant usually uses propolyne glycol, some colorings, scent and water) and read the ingredients on your food. Now I'm not saying be all rebellious and start a riot over this fucked up practice but you should educate yourself and remove as much flouride out of your diet as possible. Because there are a lot of fucked up things that people are putting into their bodies as a result of unfortunate ignorance but you actually do have a choice not to do so, providing that you are an intelligent and self-educating person. I did some research on what herbs and spices can flush the brain of toxins, protect it against neurotoxicity of flouride, detox the brain from heavy metals like aluminum, enhance the memory, replenish vital nutrients that most people aren't getting in their diet anymore, become more spiritually awake, eliminate SAD(Seasonal Affective Disorder, it's very, very common and it basically makes you depressed in the winter as a result from lack of sunlight or vitamin D), support alkalinity and of course decalcify the pineal gland. This list is a result of [url=http://kangenwell.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/acid-alkaline-food.jpg]an alkaline chart I found on google images[/url] and [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAvTTGDSUQ]a video about a man that's 110 and looks like he's 70 or 80 and shares his secret[/url]. FYI - Antioxidants keep radicals in check and fight them off. Radicals are basically weak and open precancerous cells; cells that are easily open to mutation/cancer. shredded dehydrated banana peel - contains seretonin shredded dehydrated cilantro - detoxes aluminum from the brain and body shredded peppermint - relieves anxiety curcumin - protects the brain against the neurotoxicity of flouride tumeric - enhances memory tamarind - protects brain against neurotoxicity of flouride as well legal CBD oil - you can legally buy this online, CBD is what gives cannabis it's anti-inflammatory and anti-tumor effects vitamin D powder - will eliminate SAD and make you become more spiritually awake bladderwrack/brown seaweed - excellent source of iodine - iodine has seemed to disapper from people's diet(except in asia where people still regularly eat seaweed) - anti-aging - prevents diabetes - anti-cancerous - great for heartburn - [u]use sparingly however, too much iodine can cause hypothyroidism artemesinin - called a cancer smart bomb by many crushed with-shell hemp seeds - hemp seeds are completely legal and are sold at vitamin shops and may even be in the organic isle of your grocery store - great source of protein - great source of omega-3 and 6 raw cocoa - full of anti-oxidants - 110 man said eat chocolate aloe vera - ingestion of aloe vera heals end strengthens the digestive tract - most likely heals and strengthens the lungs if being vaporized - improves blood circulation throughout the body - strengthens immune system - do not use too much as it can give you the runs garlic - flushes hard, calcified mineral and heavy metal deposits from the brain raw cinnamon - 110 man said eat cinnamon - fights harmful bacteria - good source of antioxidants - you should be fine, unless you are nasally insufflating(snorting) line after line of cinnamon you may have liver problems and irritation and redness raw pure honey - 110 man said eat honey - has antiseptic and antibacterial properties - tastes good as fuck olive oil - full of antioxidants and omega-3 I really am looking forward to buying all these ingredients and trying them in a vaporizer. Also, avoid eating any processed and/or low-quality foods like hot dogs, hamburger or french frys/fast food hash browns/tatertots.

Everything you've just said sounds bizarrely shill-like, from talking about "consciousness-unlocking life-reliving drugs" to adding a link to "man is 110 looks 70 shares his sekrit!!!!!" Also, why is fluoride 'magnetically attracted' to the pineal gland?

All food is poison

[quote]So, with that out of the way, you may or may not know about the fluoridation of water..and I'm not talking about the natural & minute amounts that occur in water. Chances are, your tap water has flouride in it. They say that "it's good for your teeth" or some shit like that but with some common sense, that statement is completely invalid. Ever look on toothpaste? It says DO NOT INGEST. You put some on your toothbrush and BRUSH YOUR TEETH, not drink the toothpaste. Now the levels of flouride are much smaller compared to toothpaste but after 40 or 50 years it will accumulate.[/quote] It doesn't accumulate. It's not mercury or lead where it builds up as deposits in the bones. There is no scientific evidence for fluoride being harmful except in excessively high quantities (imagine eating loads of tubes of toothpaste). [quote]Flouride is [B]magnetically attracted[/B] to your pineal gland and as a result is deposited there. A lifetime of ignorance and/or apathy of flouride eventually results in this. [IMG]http://d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net/images/news/700_62b2b4643c97bb5fed71f0bb1898f9f6.jpg[/IMG][/quote] This is literally complete bullshit and a mockery of least several major branches of science. The pineal gland does not have any kind of magnetic field, and as such cannot attract charged ions "magnetically". Calcification in the pineal gland naturally occurs with age, and it contains deposits of phosphorus, calcium carbonate, phosphates, etc. Removing fluoride from your intake will not prevent this. [quote]The result is a calcified pineal gland. This makes it so adults can't get as good of a sleep, they often have "brain fog" because they "haven't had 3 cups of coffee yet.", and completely stop caring about the health of their consciousness. Imagine a fleshy organ in the brain, with complex connections and folds and such...turned into the consistency of a finger nail.[/quote] Honest question, but do you actually know how the brain works? You can't even explain your analogy properly. You have to provide some kind of evidence that explains in direct terms how and why calcification leads to "brain fog". [quote]Another few things to consider: Alkaline And Acid. Two opposites. The human body, to be healthy should be slightly alkaline, but the majority of people are most likely very very acidic from [URL="http://kangenwell.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/acid-alkaline-food.jpg"]acidic products[/URL]. The pineal gland, as well as the whole body thrives and prospers in an alkaline enviroment. An acidic body is bad for the pineal gland and your whole body in general.[/quote] What? This is just wrong. Different parts of the body are alkaline or acidic. I don't see how the concentration of hydrogen ions in you is the big thing to go here. The concentration of hydrogen ions even varies between individual cells. [quote]Also, avoid eating any processed and/or low-quality foods like hot dogs, hamburger or french frys/fast food hash browns/tatertots.[/quote] Define processed/low quality food? Technically almost everything you eat has gone through some process. As for low quality food, do you mean baked beans and supermarket brand pot noodles? [quote]Because there are a lot of fucked up things that people are putting into their bodies as a result of unfortunate ignorance but you actually do have a choice not to do so, providing that you are an intelligent and self-educating person.[/quote] Well I continue to drink plenty of fluoridated water, because it's perfectly safe, good for your dental health, and doesn't taste bad. Why do I not worry about this? Because there is no evidence for the fluoride in public water supplies causing physical harm. Honestly about 95% of what you said up there is nonsense. Please please please don't let yourself get swindled by quacks and crooks who sell you expensive foods and ineffective herbal medicines. Take the time to educate yourself, and not on websites with a vested interest to sell you as much magic honey as possible.

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46900317]The technology for so many different things exists and works but it's just that it's been suppressed. I mean I guarantee we already know how to use anti-gravity propulsion. You guys should look up Agenda 21(what the tinfoil-hat crazies dub "The New World Order" or "Rapture" -_-), it's all about global sustainability and making humanity into a sustainable society where we don't need to destroy the planet for technological or civil advancement. If you read the georgia guidestones, some of the guidelines are: Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. and Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature. The NWO or Agenda 21 is going to filter out all the criminal, mentally insane, unintelligent and/or rebellious, homeless and the poor as a start, then all the suppressed technology will most likely be unsuppressed and used regularly in the new society.[/QUOTE] Uh yeah dude [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is NOT how you debate" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Deng;46900816]It doesn't accumulate. It's not mercury or lead where it builds up as deposits in the bones. There is no scientific evidence for fluoride being harmful except in excessively high quantities (imagine eating loads of tubes of toothpaste). This is literally complete bullshit and a mockery of least several major branches of science. The pineal gland does not have any kind of magnetic field, and as such cannot attract charged ions "magnetically". Calcification in the pineal gland naturally occurs with age, and it contains deposits of phosphorus, calcium carbonate, phosphates, etc. Removing fluoride from your intake will not prevent this. Honest question, but do you actually know how the brain works? You can't even explain your analogy properly. You have to provide some kind of evidence that explains in direct terms how and why calcification leads to "brain fog". What? This is just wrong. Different parts of the body are alkaline or acidic. I don't see how the concentration of hydrogen ions in you is the big thing to go here. The concentration of hydrogen ions even varies between individual cells. Define processed/low quality food? Technically almost everything you eat has gone through some process. As for low quality food, do you mean baked beans and supermarket brand pot noodles? Well I continue to drink plenty of fluoridated water, because it's perfectly safe, good for your dental health, and doesn't taste bad. Why do I not worry about this? Because there is no evidence for the fluoride in public water supplies causing physical harm. Honestly about 95% of what you said up there is nonsense. Please please please don't let yourself get swindled by quacks and crooks who sell you expensive foods and ineffective herbal medicines. Take the time to educate yourself, and not on websites with a vested interest to sell you as much magic honey as possible.[/QUOTE] Well, fuck. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is NOT how you debate" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

Yeah, hate to say it, but from the looks of this guy's posts there's nothing to debate here- just solid crazy.

[QUOTE=Deng;46900816]It doesn't accumulate. It's not mercury or lead where it builds up as deposits in the bones. There is no scientific evidence for fluoride being harmful except in excessively high quantities (imagine eating loads of tubes of toothpaste). This is literally complete bullshit and a mockery of least several major branches of science. The pineal gland does not have any kind of magnetic field, and as such cannot attract charged ions "magnetically". Calcification in the pineal gland naturally occurs with age, and it contains deposits of phosphorus, calcium carbonate, phosphates, etc. Removing fluoride from your intake will not prevent this. Honest question, but do you actually know how the brain works? You can't even explain your analogy properly. You have to provide some kind of evidence that explains in direct terms how and why calcification leads to "brain fog". What? This is just wrong. Different parts of the body are alkaline or acidic. I don't see how the concentration of hydrogen ions in you is the big thing to go here. The concentration of hydrogen ions even varies between individual cells. Define processed/low quality food? Technically almost everything you eat has gone through some process. As for low quality food, do you mean baked beans and supermarket brand pot noodles? Well I continue to drink plenty of fluoridated water, because it's perfectly safe, good for your dental health, and doesn't taste bad. Why do I not worry about this? Because there is no evidence for the fluoride in public water supplies causing physical harm. Honestly about 95% of what you said up there is nonsense. Please please please don't let yourself get swindled by quacks and crooks who sell you expensive foods and ineffective herbal medicines. Take the time to educate yourself, and not on websites with a vested interest to sell you as much magic honey as possible.[/QUOTE] Well flouride has been classified as a neutrotoxin on a top medical journal...that's enough for me. SOURCE: Dr. Philippe Grandjean, MD, Philip J. Landrigan, MD [url=http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/fulltext#article_upsell]{Neurobehavioral Effects Of Developmental Toxicity}[/url] [editline]10th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=PaperBurrito;46900929]Yeah, hate to say it, but from the looks of this guy's posts there's nothing to debate here- just solid crazy.[/QUOTE] I'd aprreciate it if you wouldn't call me crazy...I've just read many, many acticles regarding these issues and they had reputable sources. I'm pretty sure it's clear I'm not some tinfoil hat fuckhead who types in all-caps and speaks gibberish. [editline]10th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=PaperBurrito;46900731]Everything you've just said sounds bizarrely shill-like, from talking about "consciousness-unlocking life-reliving drugs" to adding a link to "man is 110 looks 70 shares his sekrit!!!!!" Also, why is fluoride 'magnetically attracted' to the pineal gland?[/QUOTE] You know what, it probably isn't. I think I just read that on an article, but I never really saw any kind of source to support that it's 'magnetically attracted'.

[quote]I've just read many, many acticles regarding these issues and they had reputable sources.[/quote] Burden of proof is on you to provide these "reputable sources". PS: Infowars, Coast To Coast AM and Fox News aren't reputable sources.

xD I know man. Well I have two well reputable sources. First one is from [url=http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/][b]Harvard University[/b][/url]. It does in fact say that: [sp]A meta analysis conducted on 27 epidemiological studies (most from China), concluded that exposure to "high levels" of fluoride in childhood was associated with a reduction in IQ. The authors note that this research is not applicable to the safety of artificial water fluoridation because the adverse effects on IQ was found with fluoride levels that were much higher than typically found in artificially fluoridated water.[14] However, they conclude that more research is required to assess the adverse effects on children’s neurodevelopment.[15][16] The meta analysis has been criticized for failing to account for confounding factors. For example, in some of the studies fluoride exposure came from the burning of high fluoride content coal, and used a control group from an area in which wood was used as fuel.[17] A more recent study followed individuals over 38 years to see if fluoride exposure affected IQ and they concluded there was no link between fluoride exposure and IQ, or fluoride as a neurotoxin.[18][/sp] However my point is that flouride IS a neurotoxin and that does say it. If you look closely at the quoted excerpt it's basically saying that in the "safe and low" levels that is in the tap water we use every day will not affect someones IQ or have neurotoxic effects...but they still [b]didn't say[/b] that it isn't a neurotoxin [b]period[/b]. and the second is from [url=http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/fulltext#article_upsell] Dr. Philippe Grandjean, MD, Philip J. Landrigan, MD[/url] As far as sources for the benefits of all those herbs and spices on the list, you can google "[herb or spice name] benefits". There should be a WebMD(very reputable) page for [i]most[/i] of those on the list.

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46900934]Well flouride has been classified as a neutrotoxin on a top medical journal...that's enough for me. SOURCE: Dr. Philippe Grandjean, MD, Philip J. Landrigan, MD [url=http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/fulltext#article_upsell]{Neurobehavioral Effects Of Developmental Toxicity}[/url][/QUOTE] Yes, it is toxic in excessive doses far beyond what you can receive when drinking fluoridated water. Everything is bad for you if you consume too much of it, that's what "too much" means after all. It is specifically classed as a neurotoxin because the negative effects that manifest themselves when you intake too much are of a neurological nature.

WebMD is not a reputable source at all. It has factual information on it, but it can be edited by almost anyone iirc. I would trust Wikipedia for medical information before I trusted WebMD.

HOLY FUCK, WE DON'T KNOW IF DMT IS PRODUCED IN THE PINEAL GLAND, IF IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DREAMS OR IF IT IS PRODUCED IN LARGE AMOUNTS UPON DEATH. STOP SAYING THAT AS IF THOSE ARE SCIENTIFIC FACTS BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY ARE NOT. Maybe if you actually read DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Rick Strassman, you'd understand that what he says about DMT being produced in the pineal gland or DMT being responsible for dreams is pure hypothesis and conjecture. We currently have no scientific proof whatsoever that the pineal produces DMT. "I did my best in the DMT book to differentiate between what is known, and what I was conjecturing about (based upon what is known), regarding certain aspects of DMT dynamics. However, it's amazing how ineffective my efforts seem to have been. So many people write me, or write elsewhere, about DMT, and the pineal, assuming that the things I conjecture about are true. When I was writing the book, I thought I was clear enough, and repeating myself would have gotten tedious. We don't know whether DMT is made in the pineal. I muster a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting a reason to look long and hard at the pineal, but we do not yet know. There are data suggesting urinary DMT rises in psychotic patients when their psychosis is worse. However, we don't know whether DMT rises during dreams, meditation, near-death, death, birth or any other endogenous altered state. To the extent those states resemble those brought on by giving DMT, it certainly makes one wonder if endogenous DMT might be involved, and if it were, it would explain a lot. But we don't know yet. Even if the pineal weren't involved, that would have little overall effect on my theories regarding a role for DMT in endogenous altered states, because we do know that the gene involved in DMT synthesis is present in many organs, particularly lung. If the pineal made DMT, it would tie up a lot of loose ends regarding this enigmatic little organ." -Dr. Rick Strassman We don't even know if it is even produced in the brain. All we know is that the human body does produce DMT and that it can be found in trace amounts in our urine. And as for dreaming, it seems that it has more to do with the transmitter acetylcholine. With regards to near death experiences, anecdotes and research seem to point that NDEs are more akin to ketamine experiences. [URL]http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/Documents/The_Ketamine_Model_of_the_Near_Death_Experience.9264.shtml[/URL] There's nothing more annoying with the psychedelic community than a lot of pseudoscience bullshit being pushed around.

"Hey, if you drink 10 gallons of X chemical then it kills you, therefor any amount if it in anything is bad and should be avoided." This isn't how chemistry or biology works, and leave your spirit-molecule discussions for the stoner forum. [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] Hilarious thread though.

You're wasting your time guy, FP is spiritually dead. Too obsessed with science to see the bigger picture. They'll eat up whatever shit the medical experts say. :v:

[QUOTE=Cheesedragon;46906668]You're wasting your time guy, FP is spiritually dead. Too obsessed with science to see the bigger picture. They'll eat up whatever shit the medical experts say. :v:[/QUOTE] Spiritually dead? What is the bigger picture?

[QUOTE=Deng;46900816]Calcification in the pineal gland naturally occurs with age, and it contains deposits of phosphorus, calcium carbonate, phosphates, etc. Removing fluoride from your intake will not prevent this.[/QUOTE] That's actually quite interesting and I didn't know that, thanks for the info. [QUOTE=Deng;46906827]Spiritually dead? What is the bigger picture?[/QUOTE]I think he was trying to say that there's not a whole lot of open minded people, people focused on keeping their mind & consciousness healthy and free thinkers left on the forum;most believe something isn't harmful to you just because an 'expert' said it was safe . [QUOTE=PaperBurrito;46900731]Everything you've just said sounds bizarrely shill-like ... to adding a link to "man is 110 looks 70 shares his sekrit!!!!!"[/quote] Yeah, I guess you could say that seemed like the kind of shit that would come up on an ad, but seriously, I'm being 100% honest no bs. I realize that a lot of what I was saying was based off of controversial(but hey...it's the debate forum!) topics, but this has been a good thread as I've learned quite a bit. I'm still gonna try that vaporizing blend, and add a few things to the end shredded dehydrated banana peel - contains seretonin shredded dehydrated cilantro - detoxes aluminum from the brain and body shredded peppermint - relieves anxiety curcumin - protects the brain against the neurotoxicity of flouride tumeric - enhances memory tamarind - protects brain against neurotoxicity of flouride as well legal CBD oil - you can legally buy this online, CBD is what gives cannabis it's anti-inflammatory and anti-tumor effects vitamin D powder - will eliminate SAD and make you become more spiritually awake(many cultures practice taking large amounts of vitamin D) bladderwrack/brown seaweed - excellent source of iodine - iodine has seemed to disapper from people's diet(except in asia where people still regularly eat seaweed) - anti-aging - prevents diabetes - anti-cancerous - great for heartburn - [u]use sparingly however, too much iodine can cause hypothyroidism artemesinin - called a cancer smart bomb by many crushed with-shell hemp seeds - hemp seeds are completely legal and are sold at vitamin shops and may even be in the organic isle of your grocery store - great source of protein - great source of omega-3 and 6 raw cocoa - full of anti-oxidants - 110 man said eat chocolate aloe vera - ingestion of aloe vera heals end strengthens the digestive tract - most likely heals and strengthens the lungs if being vaporized - improves blood circulation throughout the body - strengthens immune system - do not use too much as it can give you the runs garlic - flushes hard, calcified mineral and heavy metal deposits from the brain raw cinnamon - 110 man said eat cinnamon - fights harmful bacteria - good source of antioxidants - you should be fine, unless you are nasally insufflating(snorting) line after line of cinnamon you may have liver problems and irritation and redness raw pure honey - 110 man said eat honey - has antiseptic and antibacterial properties - tastes good as fuck olive oil - full of antioxidants and omega-3 chanca piedra - prevents calcification, especially known to dissolve kidney stones raw apple cider vinegar strained 'mother' - also removes calcium & phosphate deposits in the pineal gland and central nervous system - the 'mother' is the web-looking stuff at the bottom which contains the best nutrients Regardless if you agree with the things I said relating to the pineal gland or not, the list of herbs are still extremely helpful. And come on, why the hell wouldn't you trust that 110 old man?? If anything, he has the most experience out of anyone and has the body and mind to show it. Also I'm not buying into some natural herb supplement gimmick, this is a result of piling together numerous herbs that I did some looking into and found they had great health benefits. And you may call me a hypocrite for all of this because I was just kind-of criticizing people who believe whatever the 'experts' say isn't harmful to you...but there's a difference between doing your own research and being able to conclude something is good for you, and listening to an 'expert' say something is safe(think about it). [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=PelPix123;46902058]To be fair, faster pineal gland calcification is correlated with water fluoridation, but there's 1. No super solid causative evidence right now. 2. Even if there was, there's no evidence that having a fluoridated pineal gland is even bad. It doesn't seem to [I]do[/I] anything.[/QUOTE] Well sure it does...can you imagine what happens when an organ becomes calcified? It stops working! And if(correct me if I'm wrong)flouride correlates to calcification of the pineal gland...it probably also does the same to your central nervous system...and I don't think anyone would want that.

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46908658]That's actually quite interesting and I didn't know that, thanks for the info. I think he was trying to say that there's not a whole lot of open minded people, people focused on keeping their mind & consciousness healthy and free thinkers left on the forum;most believe something isn't harmful to you just because an 'expert' said it was safe . Yeah, I guess you could say that seemed like the kind of shit that would come up on an ad, but seriously, I'm being 100% honest no bs. I realize that a lot of what I was saying was based off of controversial(but hey...it's the debate forum!) topics, but this has been a good thread as I've learned quite a bit. I'm still gonna try that vaporizing blend, and add a few things to the end ~11 herbs and spices~ Regardless if you agree with the things I said relating to the pineal gland or not, the list of herbs are still extremely helpful. And come on, why the hell wouldn't you trust that 110 old man?? If anything, he has the most experience out of anyone and has the body and mind to show it. Also I'm not buying into some natural herb supplement gimmick, this is a result of piling together numerous herbs that I did some looking into and found they had great health benefits. And you may call me a hypocrite for all of this because I was just kind-of criticizing people who believe whatever the 'experts' say isn't harmful to you...but there's a difference between doing your own research and being able to conclude something is good for you, and listening to an 'expert' say something is safe(think about it). [/QUOTE] Do you have any source on those effects?

[QUOTE=Cheesedragon;46906668]You're wasting your time guy, FP is spiritually dead. Too obsessed with science to see the bigger picture. They'll eat up whatever shit the medical experts say. :v:[/QUOTE] Is it wrong to believe the consensus among medical experts over the opinions of fringe snake oil merchants?

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46901168]xD I know man. Well I have two well reputable sources. First one is from [url=http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/][b]Harvard University[/b][/url]. It does in fact say that: [sp]A meta analysis conducted on 27 epidemiological studies (most from China), concluded that exposure to "high levels" of fluoride in childhood was associated with a reduction in IQ. The authors note that this research is not applicable to the safety of artificial water fluoridation because the adverse effects on IQ was found with fluoride levels that were much higher than typically found in artificially fluoridated water.[14] However, they conclude that more research is required to assess the adverse effects on children’s neurodevelopment.[15][16] The meta analysis has been criticized for failing to account for confounding factors. For example, in some of the studies fluoride exposure came from the burning of high fluoride content coal, and used a control group from an area in which wood was used as fuel.[17] A more recent study followed individuals over 38 years to see if fluoride exposure affected IQ and they concluded there was no link between fluoride exposure and IQ, or fluoride as a neurotoxin.[18][/sp] However my point is that flouride IS a neurotoxin and that does say it. If you look closely at the quoted excerpt it's basically saying that in the "safe and low" levels that is in the tap water we use every day will not affect someones IQ or have neurotoxic effects...but they still [b]didn't say[/b] that it isn't a neurotoxin [b]period[/b]. and the second is from [url=http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/fulltext#article_upsell] Dr. Philippe Grandjean, MD, Philip J. Landrigan, MD[/url] As far as sources for the benefits of all those herbs and spices on the list, you can google "[herb or spice name] benefits". There should be a WebMD(very reputable) page for [i]most[/i] of those on the list.[/QUOTE] This is the only thing your second source mentions about fluoride, which cites your first study: "A meta-analysis of 27 cross-sectional studies of children exposed to fluoride in drinking water, mainly from China, [B]suggests[/B] an average IQ decrement of about seven points in children exposed to raised fluoride concentrations. Confounding from other substances [B]seemed[/B] unlikely in most of these studies. [B]Further characterisation of the dose–response association would be desirable[/B]." Be critical of what you read.

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46908658] I think he was trying to say that there's not a whole lot of open minded people, people focused on keeping their mind & consciousness healthy and free thinkers left on the forum;most believe something isn't harmful to you just because an 'expert' said it was safe . .[/QUOTE] Free thinking isn't the same as fabricating easy to grasp explanations and worldviews for the sake of emotional reassurance

Just chiming in here, but the chemical used in water fluoridation is NOT fluoride, but [URL="http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/factsheets/engineering/wfadditives.htm"]hexafluorosilicic acid[/URL]. The properties of which are much more different than fluoride.

[QUOTE=NixNax123;46910484]Just chiming in here, but the chemical used in water fluoridation is NOT fluoride, but hexafluorosilicic acid.[/QUOTE] Except it's used as a source of fluoride.

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46908658] I think he was trying to say that there's not a whole lot of open minded people, people focused on keeping their mind & consciousness healthy and free thinkers left on the forum;most believe something isn't harmful to you just because an 'expert' said it was safe . [/QUOTE] Being a free thinker =/= Accepting any premise without adequate evidence to back up your claim. There are far more well documented chemicals in modern diets that we know are harmful or undesirable that could be cut to improve health; resorting to this level of pseudo-scientific bullshit is hardly necessary.

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;46909434]Do you have any source on those effects?[/QUOTE] Well, webmd and wikipedia mostly.. WebMD is "unreliable" to many people but that is because of how wide classification of symptoms for certian things are. For example, lets say you typed in "trouble fully exhaling" and the first thing that comes up is a WebMD page. You click it and it comes up saying you could have COPD, but you could really just have dry air or something much more mild and less severe. Heres a source for tumeric(circumin specifically, it's a compound naturally in tumeric)reducing the neurotoxic effects of flouride from the [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969660/]Nation Library Of Medicine[/url]. WebMD is not some pseudoscience herbal organization. Also, a lot of the benefits I stated are not actually directly stated on sources, but through logic based on known-effects of containing chemicals. For example, raw cocoa contains antioxidants known as flavanoids. On a page it just says that raw cocoa can relax veins and reduce blood pressure, but if you research the health effects of antioxidants, they are known to eliminate radicals(cells highly vulnerable to cancer) so it would be safe to say that raw cocoa reduces the risk of cancer, even though on that one page it just says it can relax veins and lower blood pressure. It would be extremely tedious to google every herb on that list and then paste it in, then add a [ url = {shit} ] {source name}[ /url ] for each and every one so if you don't mind, just google "{herb name} health benefits webmd", that simple. [QUOTE=Ziks;46909500]Is it wrong to believe the consensus among medical experts over the opinions of fringe snake oil merchants?[/QUOTE] It is invalid that you're implying that I'm believing some bullshit that a herbalist says to sell their product. I already said, they were from numerous articles, studies, and WebMD pages combined with supporting google results(no, this is not implying that my sources are google results or some healthy-living organization website). [QUOTE=DanRatherman;46912118]Being a free thinker =/= Accepting any premise without adequate evidence to back up your claim.[/QUOTE] Absolutely not, you seem to have a warped opinion on what a free thinker is/means. It just means thinking for yourself and not basing your own opinions and knowledge directly off of a so-called "expert". And most if not a pretty large handful of those "experts" will also do anything to discredit health benefits of effective natural plants so that more people will go and solve their problem with pharmaceutical drugs instead, which is a win for the "experts" and whoever they are affiliated with because it makes more money for them and the whole economy for that matter. Then those pharmaceutical drugs may create undesired side-effects which then are solved with more purchased pharmaceutical drugs and that's a double-whammy win!

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46913140]It is invalid that you're implying that I'm believing some bullshit that a herbalist says to sell their product. I already said, they were from numerous articles, studies, and WebMD pages combined with supporting google results(no, this is not implying that my sources are google results or some healthy-living organization website).[/QUOTE] You literally believed that hexafluorosilicic acid was magnetically attracted to the pineal gland. Either you were reading sketchy fringe sources, or were misinterpreting more credible papers by actively looking for phrases that superficially sound like they agree with the conclusion you have already decided upon. Be wary of this.

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46913140] And most if not a pretty large handful of those "experts" will also do anything to discredit health benefits of effective natural plants so that more people will go and solve their problem with pharmaceutical drugs instead, which is a win for the "experts" and whoever they are affiliated with because it makes more money for them and the whole economy for that matter. Then those pharmaceutical drugs may create undesired side-effects which then are solved with more purchased pharmaceutical drugs and that's a double-whammy win![/QUOTE] And do you not think that the people who sell herbal medicines want to make money off you too? It's easier to make money from selling you them because unlike pharmaceuticals (which take years to develop and millions of dollars), any old quack can grab some leaves or grass and grind them up and claim it has health properties.

[QUOTE=Ziks;46913330]You literally believed that hexafluorosilicic acid was magnetically attracted to the pineal gland. Either you were reading sketchy fringe sources, or were misinterpreting more credible papers by actively looking for phrases that superficially sound like they agree with the conclusion you have already decided upon. Be wary of this.[/QUOTE] Alright well [b]that[/b] was on a random article. There didn't seem to be any source for that now come to think of it, so that was probably just some guy talking out of his ass. [QUOTE=Deng;46913353]And do you not think that the people who sell herbal medicines want to make money off you too? It's easier to make money from selling you them because unlike pharmaceuticals (which take years to develop and millions of dollars), any old quack can grab some leaves or grass and grind them up and claim it has health properties.[/QUOTE] While you do have a very valid and good point, I highly doubt the person(s) providing information on WebMD is "any old quack" or an herbalist trying to make money.

[QUOTE=Jeffreysmall;46913863] While you do have a very valid and good point, I highly doubt the person(s) providing information on WebMD is "any old quack" or an herbalist trying to make money.[/QUOTE] After briefly looking at that list and cross checking on WebMD, several of the supplements you mentioned are labeled as having "insufficient evidence" when it comes to their supposed positive effects. Others are classified as prescription drugs and you shouldn't be screwing around with them.

Ah, given that I would still totally believe unsubstantiated claims than experts who have been working in their field for years.