• 'X-Men', 'Usual Suspects' director Bryan Singer accused of sexually abusing a 17 year old boy
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[quote]“X-Men: Days of Future Past” director Bryan Singer has been accused of sexually abusing a teenage boy in 1999 in a lawsuit filed Wednesday in Hawaii federal court. The plaintiff, Michael Egan, claims he was 17 when Singer forcibly sodomized him, among other allegations. Egan’s lawyers, led by Jeff Herman, allege that Singer provided him with drugs and alcohol and flew him to Hawaii on more than one occasion in 1999. His suit claims battery, assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress and invasion of privacy by unreasonable intrusion, and it seeks unspecified damages. Singer’s attorney, Marty Singer, called the lawsuit “absurd and defamatory.” “The claims made against Bryan Singer are completely without merit,” the attorney said. “We are very confident that Bryan will be vindicated.” Marc Collins-Rector, the former chairman of Digital Entertainment Network, an ambitious Internet startup that sputtered in the dotcom bust of 2000, is also cited in the Singer lawsuit, although he is not named as a defendant. He is accused of initiating the sexual abuse of Egan and arranging for Singer to assault Egan at a house in Encino, Calif. Collins-Rector is a registered sex offender, having plead guilty in 2004 to luring minors across state lines for sexual acts. The lawsuit alleges that Collins-Rector and his Digital Entertainment Network investors, including Singer, would lure young men to a house dubbed the M & C Estate in Encino to intoxicate and sexually assault a number of teenage boys and that many in the Hollywood industry were aware of the “notorious parties.” [b]Egan, an aspiring actor and model at the time, claims that Singer provided him with several drugs, including cocaine, a pill identified as “green triangle” which is believed to be a reference to the drug Ecstasy, Xanax, Rohypnol, and Vicodin or Percocet, in addition to alcoholic beverages.[/b] Herman is a sexual abuse attorney based in Boca Raton, Fla. who also represented the plaintiffs who accused Elmo puppeteer Kevin Clash of sexual abuse. He and Egan are scheduled to appear at a press conference on Thursday in Beverly Hills. “Hollywood has a problem with the sexual exploitation of children,” Herman said in a statement. “This is the first of many cases I will be filing to give these victims a voice and to expose the issue.” [b]The suit claims that Egan was 14 or 15 when he moved to Los Angeles with his family to pursue and acting career. A friend from a small private school in the San Fernando Valley, Scott Shackley, introduced him to his older brother, Chad, in 1998. Chad Shackley, according to the suit, lived in the M & C Estate in Encino with Collins-Rector, and Egan Scott Shackley would visit. Eventually, Egan was placed on the DEN payroll, and provided with extravagant gifts, and taken via private jet on various trips, along with the opportunity to audition for acting and modeling jobs, the suit states.[/b] But the parties at the M&C Estate were “well known and notorious” among “many men in the Hollywood entertainment industry,” the suit states, as they “typically sordid and featured sexual contact between adult males an the many teenage boys who were present,” along with the distribution of alcohol and drugs. Wednesday’s suit detailed one of the encounters at the M & C Estate between Collins-Rector, Singer and Egan: [i]Collins-Rector ordered Plaintiff out of the pool, and Defendant Singer hugged Plaintiff and grabbed his bare buttocks. They then went to the jacuzzi where Collins-Rector had Plaintiff sit on his lap and fondled Plaintiff’s genitals. Collins-Rector then passed Plaintiff to Defendant Singer and Plaintiff was made to sit on Defendant Singer’s lap. Defendant Singer provided an alcoholic beverage to Plaintiff and mentioned finding a role for him in an upcoming movie that he was directing. Defendant Singer told Plaintiff how “this group” controls Hollywood, and that he was sexy. Defendant Singer masturbated Plaintiff and then performed oral sex upon him. Defendant Singer solicited Plaintiff to perform oral sex upon him which Plaintiff resisted. Defendant Singer flagrantly disregarded Plaintiff’s unwillingness to submit, and forced Plaintiff’s head underwater to make Plaintiff perform oral sex upon him. When Plaintiff pulled his head out of the water in order to breathe, Defendant Singer demanded that he continue which Plaintiff refused. Defendant Singer then forced Plaintiff to continue performing oral sex upon him outside of the pool, and subsequently forcibly sodomized Plaintiff.[/i] When he was 17, Egan claims in the suit that he was flown to Hawaii to stay at the Paul Mitchell estate, and on the first of the trips he was instructed to spend the first two nights in a room with Singer. He claims that Singer forced him to inhale cocaine and later forced him to have oral and anal sex. Egan claims that Singer sexually assaulted him on a second trip to Hawaii as well. [b]Egan claims in the suit that he never “freely, voluntarily and knowingly consented to these sexual interactions, and often resisted them.”[/b] The filmmaker, 48, is the director 20th Century Fox’s upcoming “X-Men: Days of Future Past” and most recently helmed “Jack the Giant Slayer” for Warner Bros.[/quote] [Source: [url=http://variety.com/2014/film/news/x-men-director-accused-of-sexually-abusing-teenage-boy-1201158645/]Variety[/url]] Call me a cynic, but I find it hard to believe. Sure, Hollywood is full of fucked-up deviants and people with no sexual restrictions, but the timing is too coincidental. It appears after 15 years, and right just few weeks before a release of Singer's new, and biggest movie to date. I guess time will tell.
This is just like the accusations coming out about Woody Allen for molesting his daughter or something. It's going to turn out to be bullshit.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;44568330]This is just like the accusations coming out about Woody Allen for molesting his daughter or something. It's going to turn out to be bullshit.[/QUOTE] That wasn't proven to be bullshit, what the hell
[QUOTE=Elspin;44568342]That wasn't proven to be bullshit, what the hell[/QUOTE] Weren't the times she claimed to of been molested found impossible?
[QUOTE=Elspin;44568342]That wasn't proven to be bullshit, what the hell[/QUOTE] Yeah, but [url=http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts]but it wasn't totally as both sides claimed it to be,[/url] and the most interesting fact is that it surfaced like a month before Oscars and I haven't heard a word about it after. So yeah, it may or may not be true but the whole situation was used to discredit Allen's film on major awards (read who was screaming the loudest and boycotting against him in that time)
This is a better article [URL]http://www.thewrap.com/bryan-singer-accused-sexually-abusing-underage-boy[/URL] EDIT: Damn it reddit [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/U3xIqi3.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;44568330]This is just like the accusations coming out about Woody Allen for molesting his daughter or something. [B]It's going to turn out to be bullshit[/B].[/QUOTE] lol are you for real
I hope this doesn't turn into another Roman Polanski.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;44568411]lol are you for real[/QUOTE] I'm really sure that they looked at actual interviews, and noticed that she kept changing major details of her story at random. Didn't some doctor who talked to her several times point it out first? There's a lot of news articles about it.
How can anybody prove anything based on literally nothing but verbal evidence two decades after it happened? I mean, regardless of it being sexual abuse or anything else, it would get thrown out of court at first chance here. I wouldn't really accept testimony of something that happened twenty years ago conclusive and doubly so when it's meant to be the sole thing to build the cause on. I don't want to call anybody a liar or anything but this is one of the unfortunate causes where, if the crime actually happened, it's just impossible to prove it sufficiently to prosecute anybody.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;44568426]I'm really sure that they looked at actual interviews, and noticed that she kept changing major details of her story at random. Didn't some doctor who talked to her several times point it out first? There's a lot of news articles about it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Dylan’s claim of abuse was consistent with the testimony of three adults who were present that day. On the day of the alleged assault, a babysitter of a friend told police and gave sworn testimony that Allen and Dylan went missing for 15 or 20 minutes, while she was at the house. Another babysitter told police and also swore in court that on that same day, she saw Allen with his head on Dylan’s lap facing her body, while Dylan sat on a couch “staring vacantly in the direction of a television set.” A French tutor for the family told police and testified that that day she found Dylan was not wearing underpants under her sundress. The first babysitter also testified she did not tell Farrow that Allen and Dylan had gone missing until after Dylan made her statements. These sworn accounts contradict Moses Farrow’s recollection of that day in People magazine.[/QUOTE] literally posted in this thread above you
Bryan Singer directed Apt Pupil which has an extended school shower scene with multiple nude underage boys. Some of them complained that they were forced to strip for the scene and they alleged that this had been done for the sexual gratification of the director. The case was dismissed due to insufficient evidence, it might be reopened now though.
[QUOTE=Joz;44568325][Source: [url=http://variety.com/2014/film/news/x-men-director-accused-of-sexually-abusing-teenage-boy-1201158645/]Variety[/url]] Call me a cynic, but I find it hard to believe. Sure, Hollywood is full of fucked-up deviants and people with no sexual restrictions, but...[/QUOTE] How is it hard to believe then?
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;44568330]This is just like the accusations coming out about Woody Allen for molesting his daughter or something. It's going to turn out to be bullshit.[/QUOTE] This is how they get away from their crimes due to denial displayed here. It's also because the tendency of people defending their favorite artists reputation while denying that they are capable pulling off any atrocious act because there's a versus what people imagine them to be and what they really/truly are (in fact if one really observes closely at their works, they'll also find what they really are since everything a artist creates is a microcosm of themselves). Perhaps the worst part is that, the people defending and in denial are either just as bad as the abusers because they're bystanders sitting letting it happen as if they're actually part of it or involved in the crime, or at a subconscious level the denial also leads to them doing the same thing as well since there's plenty of fair share of pedophilia/child abuse/etc going on in bourgeoisie circles as well or basically "If Woody Allen and such can get away from it, so can I! As long I got the power/status/money everything will be fine!".
[QUOTE=Nannak;44570749]This is how they get away from their crimes due to denial displayed here. It's also because the tendency of people defending their favorite artists reputation while denying that they are capable pulling off any atrocious act because there's a versus what people imagine them to be and what they really/truly are (in fact if one really observes closely at their works, they'll also find what they really are since everything a artist creates is a microcosm of themselves). Perhaps the worst part is that, the people defending and in denial are either just as bad as the abusers because they're bystanders sitting letting it happen as if they're actually part of it or involved in the crime, or at a subconscious level the denial also leads to them doing the same thing as well since there's plenty of fair share of pedophilia/child abuse/etc going on in bourgeoisie circles as well or basically "If Woody Allen and such can get away from it, so can I! As long I got the power/status/money everything will be fine!".[/QUOTE] What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Assuming that all people accused of rape are definitely guilty is just as bad as assuming they are all innocent. There has been lots of high profile cases of celebrities accused of rape that ultimately proved to be false, Nigel Evans, William Roach, Lord Mcalpine etc. Why not wait until the trial is over before you condemn someone. It is not denial to suggest someone might be innocent, you speak as if you know for sure that Bryan Singer is guilty when in reality you have no more information that the rest of us. Your speculations are no more baseless than anyone else's. You're not taking the moral high ground by believing the accuser over the accused, you have just made equally arbitrary baseless assessments of the case and dressed this guesswork up as a fight for victims’ rights. You may very well be condemning an innocent person.
sounds to me like singer manipulated this kid into doing the sex with him with the promise of getting him a movie role or something then when that didnt work out and this kid is running out of money, he decided to sue singer for cash
I'll make my judgement when the case is actually settled.
[QUOTE=Nannak;44570749]This is how they get away from their crimes due to denial displayed here. It's also because the tendency of people defending their favorite artists reputation while denying that they are capable pulling off any atrocious act because there's a versus what people imagine them to be and what they really/truly are (in fact if one really observes closely at their works, they'll also find what they really are since everything a artist creates is a microcosm of themselves). Perhaps the worst part is that, the people defending and in denial are either just as bad as the abusers because they're bystanders sitting letting it happen as if they're actually part of it or involved in the crime, or at a subconscious level the denial also leads to them doing the same thing as well since there's plenty of fair share of pedophilia/child abuse/etc going on in bourgeoisie circles as well or basically "If Woody Allen and such can get away from it, so can I! As long I got the power/status/money everything will be fine!".[/QUOTE] I don't know about you, but when I was in school I learned about the concept our government has called "Innocent until proven guilty". Which means that you shouldn't come to conclusions before proper evidence is shown. Assuming the accuser is telling the truth is just as ignorant as assuming the same of the accused.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;44571465]What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Assuming that all people accused of rape are definitely guilty is just as bad as assuming they are all innocent. There has been lots of high profile cases of celebrities accused of rape that ultimately proved to be false, Nigel Evans, William Roach, Lord Mcalpine etc. Why not wait until the trial is over before you condemn someone. It is not denial to suggest someone might be innocent, you speak as if you know for sure that Bryan Singer is guilty when in reality you have no more information that the rest of us. Your speculations are no more baseless than anyone else's. You're not taking the moral high ground by believing the accuser over the accused, you have just made equally arbitrary baseless assessments of the case and dressed this guesswork up as a fight for victims’ rights. You may very well be condemning an innocent person.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jacen;44571659]I don't know about you, but when I was in school I learned about the concept our government has called "Innocent until proven guilty". Which means that you shouldn't come to conclusions before proper evidence is shown. Assuming the accuser is telling the truth is just as ignorant as assuming the same of the accused.[/QUOTE] Because there's a 999.999% percent chance that the accuser's position is most likely (or more than likely) true or else they wouldn't make the accusations in the first place if they didn't do anything. Duh... You're also all seem to miss the point that our justice system is designed to protect the privileged and those with money, not the victims which infact you two are only part of society's problems.
[QUOTE=Jacen;44571659]I don't know about you, but when I was in school I learned about the concept our government has called "Innocent until proven guilty". Which means that you shouldn't come to conclusions before proper evidence is shown. Assuming the accuser is telling the truth is just as ignorant as assuming the same of the accused.[/QUOTE] It's not condemning him, it's just not dismissing it entirely because its lit of character. We need to see a trial before determining anything, but the possibility should not just be expunged because he's famous (nor should it destroy his reputation).
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;44571688]No, pretty sure they get away due to their friends in high places.[/QUOTE] However you're missing the point, they're also displaying the exact same behavior which is part of it that makes them get away from their crimes so they can continue raping more and more victims.
[QUOTE=Nannak;44571861]Because there's a 999.999% percent chance that the accuser's position is most likely (or more than likely) true or else they wouldn't make the accusations in the first place if they didn't do anything. Duh... You're also all seem to miss the point that our justice system is designed to protect the privileged and those with money, not the victims which infact you two are only part of society's problems.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Nannak;44571925]However you're missing the point, they're also displaying the exact same behavior which is part of it that makes them get away from their crimes so they can continue raping more and more victims.[/QUOTE] Are you not familiar with the concept of lying? In my previous post I gave examples of celebrities being falsely accused of rape, it happens. It doesn't matter how frequently it happens, it still happens. Your immense naivety is part of the real problem. You are part of a witch hunt, you insist someone is definitely guilty for no discernible reason. You've been taken in by moral panic. Wait until the evidence has been presented and a trial has taken place before you raise your pitchfork. We live in a civilized society, we have moved beyond mob justice. Bryan Singer has a right to a fair trial and is innocent until proven guilty.
not sure how to feel about this. In the gay community, it is INSANELY common for teens to be abused. All of my friends have experienced this. Some had even worse encounters. But noone talks about it. I have hetero friends who never heard that this was even an issue. But when you're 14 and up, you'll get invitations, travelling tickets, money, drugs and a whole lot of other offers by older men who will take advantage of your inexperience, insecurity and weakness. In the end they'll always try to fuck you with varying degrees of force. But everyone accepts it because everyone shares those common experiences and encounters and since the exact nature of male gay sex culture is mostly unknown to the rest of society, nobody talks about it. If you're a gay teen, chances are you have been or will be bribed into sex or lured into situations where an older male predator will use you insecurity, his authority and dominant personality to have sex with you against your will. This being said, I find this to be a very likely scenario.
[QUOTE=H4ngman;44572327]not sure how to feel about this. In the gay community, it is INSANELY common for teens to be abused. All of my friends have experienced this. Some had even worse encounters. But noone talks about it. I have hetero friends who never heard that this was even an issue. But when you're 14 and up, you'll get invitations, travelling tickets, money, drugs and a whole lot of other offers by older men who will take advantage of your inexperience, insecurity and weakness. In the end they'll always try to fuck you with varying degrees of force. But everyone accepts it because everyone shares those common experiences and encounters and since the exact nature of male gay sex culture is mostly unknown to the rest of society, nobody talks about it. If you're a gay teen, chances are you have been or will be bribed into sex or lured into situations where an older male predator will use you insecurity, his authority and dominant personality to have sex with you against your will. This being said, I find this to be a very likely scenario.[/QUOTE] dude what country do you live in, that is definitely not the norm
[QUOTE=Trogdon;44571884]It's not condemning him, it's just not dismissing it entirely because its lit of character. We need to see a trial before determining anything, but the possibility should not just be expunged because he's famous (nor should it destroy his reputation).[/QUOTE] That's what I'm saying. Innocent until proven guilty does not mean dismissing it entirely, it means to wait for evidence before forming conclusions.
[QUOTE=H4ngman;44572327]not sure how to feel about this. In the gay community, it is INSANELY common for teens to be abused. All of my friends have experienced this. Some had even worse encounters. But noone talks about it. I have hetero friends who never heard that this was even an issue. But when you're 14 and up, you'll get invitations, travelling tickets, money, drugs and a whole lot of other offers by older men who will take advantage of your inexperience, insecurity and weakness. In the end they'll always try to fuck you with varying degrees of force. But everyone accepts it because everyone shares those common experiences and encounters and since the exact nature of male gay sex culture is mostly unknown to the rest of society, nobody talks about it. If you're a gay teen, chances are you have been or will be bribed into sex or lured into situations where an older male predator will use you insecurity, his authority and dominant personality to have sex with you against your will. This being said, I find this to be a very likely scenario.[/QUOTE] Dude do you live in like, a slum in east europe? What the shit.
[QUOTE=H4ngman;44572327]not sure how to feel about this. In the gay community, it is INSANELY common for teens to be abused...[/QUOTE] This applies in the straight community as well, that's why there are age of consent laws. Sometimes people, even teens, think age of consent laws are dumb. A 15 year old is 'old enough' to understand what's going on they'll say. This story proves why it's necessary. It's way too easy for someone older and with money/power to manipulate a young person who has no experience in life. If I take this 17 year old's(then) word for it, he willingly went to hang out with, swim naked with grown men, being flown around by them...oh and coincidentally these men were in the movie game, which this teenager wanted to join. Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with him wanting to be in their company? Only a teenager would think adults are going to give him a job and get him in movies or modeling and expect nothing in return.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;44573152]This applies in the straight community as well, that's why there are age of consent laws. Sometimes people, even teens, think age of consent laws are dumb. A 15 year old is 'old enough' to understand what's going on they'll say. This story proves why it's necessary. It's way too easy for someone older and with money/power to manipulate a young person who has no experience in life. If I take this 17 year old's(then) word for it, he willingly went to hang out with, swim naked with grown men, being flown around by them...oh and coincidentally these men were in the movie game, which this teenager wanted to join. Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with him wanting to be in their company? Only a teenager would think adults are going to give him a job and get him in movies or modeling and expect nothing in return.[/QUOTE] That post doesn't make any sense at all. If anything stories like this prove how unnecessary an age of consent is. He was above the age of consent in most US states and was still taken advantage of. People take advantage of other people regardless of age. No matter how high you set the age of consent people would still manipulate other people. Do you think adults don't get taken advantage of or raped? The mental gymnastics you have to perform to conclude this are baffling, one you have to believe that because one teenager was abused by an older person that all teenagers will always be abused by older partners and two you have to assume that adults do not or cannot abuse or take advantage of other adults. Adults can be raped and adults can be have consensual sex, teenagers can be raped and teenagers can have consensual sex. There is no developmental, psychological, anthropological or biological justification for an age of consent as high as 18. It is completely arbitrary, which may explain why an age of consent of 18 or higher is so rare.
[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44570588]How is it hard to believe then?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Joz;44568325]Call me a cynic, but I find it hard to believe. Sure, Hollywood is full of fucked-up deviants and people with no sexual restrictions, but the timing is too coincidental. [/QUOTE] Besides, we live in a times when anyone and their mother can make up claims about absolutely anybody for their own selfish reasons and by that destroying someone's life without any proof (see Danish film Jagten that has story about this). So yeah, I will hold up with any witch hunt until I see any undeniable proof or he'll get a sentence. Innocent until proven guilty.
My dad knew about this for a long time. When he saw this article he closed his eyes, let out a sigh of relief, and said "finally it's over. I hope it all comes crashing down around those fuckers' heads." Apparently it is fairly well known to anyone who worked higher near this man. I'm glad that kid had the balls to come forward, and I hope these sick fucks get their lives ruined.
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