[QUOTE]One American commando was killed and three others were injured in a fierce firefight overnight with Qaeda militants in central [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/yemen/index.html?inline=nyt-geo"]Yemen[/URL], the military said Sunday morning. The raid was the first counterterrorism operation approved by President Trump since he took office nine days ago.Commandos from the Navy’s SEAL Team 6 carried out the surprise dawn attack in Bayda Province in a ground raid that lasted a little less than an hour. The target was a headquarters for Al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen that counterterrorism officials had deemed valuable enough to warrant a ground operation rather than an airstrike, a senior American official said.
Gen. Joseph Votel, the head of the Pentagon’s Central Command, said in a statement: “We are deeply saddened by the loss of one of our elite service members. The sacrifices are very profound in our fight against terrorists who threaten innocent peoples across the globe.”
A military aircraft assisting in the operation crash-landed nearby, leaving two more service members injured, the statement said. That aircraft, identified by a senior American official as an MV-22 Osprey sent to evacuate the troops wounded in the raid, was unable to fly after the landing and was intentionally destroyed by American airstrikes.
An estimated 14 Qaeda fighters were killed in the raid, which led to “the capture of information that will likely provide insight into the planning of future terror plots,” the statement said.
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[QUOTE]U.S. Special Operations forces have maintained [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/17/u-s-special-operations-forces-shift-to-long-term-mission-in-yemen/?utm_term=.408d623c5733"]a small footprint[/URL] in Yemen focused on al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which has been one of the most active branches of al-Qaeda and has been involved in plots to strike the West. The United States had maintained a robust counterterrorism operation in Yemen before the start of the civil war between the Yemeni government and Houthi rebels in 2014.
In recent years, U.S. forces have resorted to primarily airstrikes to go after the militant group as it has taken advantage of the country’s unrest to gain territory and strengthen its numbers. Though not as externally active as the Islamic State, the group was linked to the Charlie Hebdo attacks in France in 2015 and the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013.
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[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/world/middleeast/american-commando-killed-in-yemen-in-trumps-first-counterterror-operation.html?_r=0[/URL]
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/01/29/u-s-service-member-killed-in-yemen-raid-marks-first-combat-death-of-trump-administration/?postshare=3811485709661943&tid=ss_tw[/URL]
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Possible pics of the V22 Wreck. They must have hit it with a hell of an airstrike after that hard landing
I'm sure we can just buff those scratches out.
What kind of information would they have lying around that we could raid them for? Do they do memos?
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;51746277]I'm sure we can just buff those scratches out.
What kind of information would they have lying around that we could raid them for? Do they do memos?[/QUOTE]
Probably harddrives, phones and things of that nature.
I guess graduating top of his class and having 300 confirm kills didn't make him invincible after all
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[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;51746277]I'm sure we can just buff those scratches out.
What kind of information would they have lying around that we could raid them for? Do they do memos?[/QUOTE]
Just like any organization on Earth they have to keep track of things somehow
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;51746277]I'm sure we can just buff those scratches out.
What kind of information would they have lying around that we could raid them for? Do they do memos?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes.
You can't run an international terrorist organization for over 20 years by word-of-mouth alone.
It's always sad to hear when a soldier dies, but especially when a SEAL dies. The amount of time, training, and work that goes into making someone a navy seal is absolutely incredible.
They're literally the best of the best of the best. Not easily replaced.
I hate the Osprey with such a fierce passion, what an awful extraction vehicle too.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51746707]I hate the Osprey with such a fierce passion, what an awful extraction vehicle too.[/QUOTE]
That vehicle has a horrible track record especially during its R&D. Killed a lot of its test pilots
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;51746508]I guess graduating top of his class and having 300 confirm kills didn't make him invincible after all[/QUOTE]
Come on man.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51746707]I hate the Osprey with such a fierce passion, what an awful extraction vehicle too.[/QUOTE]
It always saddens my how inefficient they are, they're a vehicle that just looks like it should be baller, but isn't.
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[QUOTE=B!N4RY;51746508]I guess graduating top of his class and having 300 confirm kills didn't make him invincible after all[/QUOTE]
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me?
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51746707]I hate the Osprey with such a fierce passion, what an awful extraction vehicle too.[/QUOTE]
Don't talk shit about the Osprey. It's a very versatile and very beautiful aircraft
[QUOTE=T553412;51746825]Don't talk shit about the Osprey. It's a very versatile and very beautiful aircraft[/QUOTE]
With a long and proud history of crashing for no good reason, just not working at all (like in this case), and not operating well together with either helicopters or planes, so if you need armed escort, you're shit out of luck. It does nothing that a Chinook or two UH60s wouldn't do, and doesn't do a lot they would be able to do.
[QUOTE=T553412;51746825]Don't talk shit about the Osprey. It's a very versatile and very beautiful aircraft[/QUOTE]
It's also put together with tape and glue and explodes on a dime.
[QUOTE=Riller;51746838]With a long and proud history of crashing for no good reason, just not working at all (like in this case), and not operating well together with either helicopters or planes, so if you need armed escort, you're shit out of luck. It does nothing that a Chinook or two UH60s wouldn't do, and doesn't do a lot they would be able to do.[/QUOTE]
The Chinook dates from Vietnam, it's in need of a replacement. Plus, the Osprey has almost twice the range of both the Chinook and the Blackhawk, can carry more cargo than the Chinook, and if all else fails it can touch down as an airplane.
Which is where many of its issues come from. The Osprey is an unforgiving aircraft.
[QUOTE=27X;51746846]It's also put together with tape and glue and explodes on a dime.[/QUOTE]
and it only cost $68 million
[QUOTE=T553412;51746873]The Chinook dates from Vietnam, it's in need of a replacement. Plus, the Osprey has almost twice the range of both the Chinook and the Blackhawk, can carry more cargo than the Chinook, and if all else fails it can touch down as an airplane.
Which is where many of its issues come from. The Osprey is an unforgiving aircraft.[/QUOTE]
How does it touch down as an airplane? Wouldn't the rotors hit the ground first? Or does it only work in water?
[QUOTE=Riller;51746838]With a long and proud history of crashing for no good reason, just not working at all (like in this case).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, new technology does that. Do you think we got jet engines or helicopters right on the first try? It's not easy making a tiltrotor transport helicopter that can also transform into an airplane.
Just goes to show how incredibly good the Navy Seals must be if it's news when 1 of them dies
Rest in peace.
[QUOTE=Apache249;51746889]How does it touch down as an airplane? Wouldn't the rotors hit the ground first? Or does it only work in water?[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Osprey_slinging_vehicle_Navy_photo.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hUNJTAybCQQ/hqdefault.jpg[/IMG]
rotors move to vertical and horizontal positions.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;51746939]
rotors move to vertical and horizontal positions.[/QUOTE]
I think he's wondering how it can land in the horizontal position because the rotors would hit the ground. An airplane-like landing would only be done in an emergency situation and the rotors are designed so that they will collapse in a crash like that. They could also tilt the rotors diagonally
[QUOTE=Apache249;51746889]How does it touch down as an airplane? Wouldn't the rotors hit the ground first? Or does it only work in water?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;51746939]
rotors move to vertical and horizontal positions.[/QUOTE]
He's wondering how they do a fast landing on an airstrip, the rotors don't go 90o down when doing a strip landing, they're at whatever angle doesn't fuck them up.
The significance of a single one dying made me curious so I looked it up and did the math. There are roughly only 768 Navy SEALS. That's crazy!
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;51746959]He's wondering how they do a fast landing on an airstrip, the rotors don't go 90o down when doing a strip landing, they're at whatever angle doesn't fuck them up.[/QUOTE]
ah okay my bad!
[QUOTE=T553412;51746873]The Chinook dates from Vietnam, it's in need of a replacement. Plus, the Osprey has almost twice the range of both the Chinook and the Blackhawk, can carry more cargo than the Chinook, and if all else fails it can touch down as an airplane.
Which is where many of its issues come from. The Osprey is an unforgiving aircraft.[/QUOTE]
Range isn't terribly relevant when both Chinook and Blackhawk can refuel mid-air. The argument of "It's old, it needs replacement" is dumb, it's still the best heavy lift helicopter the American military has.
[QUOTE=Riller;51746987]Range isn't terribly relevant when both Chinook and Blackhawk can refuel mid-air. The argument of "It's old, it needs replacement" is dumb, it's still the best heavy lift helicopter the American military has.[/QUOTE]
It's not dumb, aircraft have a shelf life, and ours are approaching it. So we need new ones, unless we want 40 year old airframes to crack and break apart on us.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51747017]It's not dumb, aircraft have a shelf life, and ours are approaching it. So we need new ones, unless we want 40 year old airframes to crack and break apart on us.[/QUOTE]
Oh absolutely, the airframes might need replacement sooner rather than later, but the design itself doesn't need to be replaced just because it's old. It works, and it works very well.
The V22's reputation as a lawn dart is kind of unfair. It has had fewer incidents per capita than any other Marine Corps rotorcraft. They are a relatively new technology that even its current state has proven very valuable. Raw lifting power isn't the only mark of a good helicopter -- the Osprey is fast, modern and safe.
They were problematic in the prototype phase, like any other new technology being applied for the first time at real world scale. With aircraft, people unfortunately die when prototypes have problems.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51747067]The V22's reputation as a lawn dart is kind of unfair. It has had fewer incidents per capita than any other Marine Corps rotorcraft. They are a relatively new technology that even its current state has proven very valuable. Raw lifting power isn't the only mark of a good helicopter -- the Osprey is fast, modern and safe.
They were problematic in the prototype phase, like any other new technology being applied for the first time at real world scale. With aircraft, people unfortunately die when prototypes have problems.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention they can fly faster than any helicopter and go further than most. People here shitting on the bird have never fixed and flew in one. Those photos aren't from a crash, it's from us blowing the shit out of them so the tech doesn't get in enemy hands. It's no different than what happened and what we did with that still classified helicopter during the bin laden raid. More than likely it suffered damage that prevented it from taking off, which any helicopter is just as susceptible to.
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