Dash Cam Catches Police Officer Dropping the Ball. - Polidicks

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ktwd14-mgE8[/media]video [quote]It’s usually trouble that gets police dashboard cameras rolling. They look in on an often depressing landscape of busts, brawls and tempers blown. But a dash cam video surfaced Saturday from Rosenberg, Texas, that shows a different picture. Sgt. Ariel Soltura was doing a routine traffic stop with his dashboard camera rolling, as is customary. All of a sudden, he saw a group of kids playing football, with one kid not part of the group. So Soltura stopped his car.[/quote]

Meanwhile in the comments.. [QUOTE] IlluminatiLand47 minutes ago The cop probably got fired because he didn't taze the kid, then hog tie him and beat him to death with a billy club., Or, maybe he did that afterwards... It does cut abruptly right after the kid drops the ball,, The kid is no doubt a bloody beaten piece of pulp-flesh in a morgue somewhere right now with criminal felony charges on his corpse for resisting arrest.•[/QUOTE]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktwd14-mgE8[/media] video

Don't tell the anarchists shhh all cops are bad

[QUOTE=Zambies!;43613329]Don't tell the anarchists shhh all cops are bad[/QUOTE] As an anarchist, I recognize that cops are people and aren't all bad. I fundamentally disagree with the idea of cops and I think they have unjust authority, but that doesn't mean I think all cops are evil.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43613577]As an anarchist, I recognize that cops are people and aren't all bad. I fundamentally disagree with the idea of cops and I think they have unjust authority, but that doesn't mean I think all cops are evil.[/QUOTE] Out of genuine respect and curiosity. If not cops, than what we would we have to ensure safety and order of communities?

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43613577]As an anarchist, I recognize that cops are people and aren't all bad. I fundamentally disagree with the idea of cops and I think they have unjust authority, but that doesn't mean I think all cops are evil.[/QUOTE] Prisons are one of civilization's best inventions, if they were to all disappear, things would be worse

[QUOTE=doommarine23;43613596]Out of genuine respect and curiosity. If not cops, than what we would we have to ensure safety and order of communities?[/QUOTE] Well, I don't have the time at the moment to discuss the alternatives nor can I speak for all anarchists, but I can answer a few questions. In my opinion, an anarchist society depends on teaching conflict resolution skills to the public, removing the incentive for crime, rehabilitation, anti-criminal organizations that hold no authority in comparison to other citizens, and other alternative forms of crime prevention. Here's a link to a pamphlet that goes over some examples of anti-authoritarian crime prevention that have been used in the past. [url]http://cobp.resist.ca/sites/cobp.resist.ca/files/alternatives-to-police-web.pdf[/url] [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;43613638]Prisons are one of civilization's best inventions, if they were to all disappear, things would be worse[/QUOTE] In a capitalistic statist society, especially if they all disappeared out of the blue with no preparation, I agree, but in an anarchist society, the circumstances change greatly.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;43613596]Out of genuine respect and curiosity. If not cops, than what we would we have to ensure safety and order of communities?[/QUOTE] The problem with law enforcement is that it's an extension of the state; it's a separate legal entity that imposes its rules on a community whether it likes it or not. Something like an integrated community militia, with elected positions that are accountable to the general public would be much more preferable. Basically it comes down to putting the responsibility of keeping the community safe to the community itself, instead of the state. e: also, what soccerskyman said. In anarchist societies the social order would be structured such to try and avoid situations where people have to resort to criminal acts in the first place, and focus more on restorative justice instead of punitive systems.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43613692] also, what soccerskyman said. In anarchist societies the social order would be structured such to try and avoid situations where people have to resort to criminal acts in the first place, and focus more on restorative justice instead of punitive systems.[/QUOTE] Crime isn't always something that's done because people need to , it's done because people want to a lot of the time. Nobody needs a TV, yet people steal them in burglaries. Nobody needs someone else to die, yet people murder. Nobody needs to grafiti, but people grafiti. There are crimes done out of necessity, stealing food etc. but the majority are done because a decent percentage of people are just dicks, and you can't help that. There have been societies where any crime resulted in a death penalty. Crime still occurred at pretty much the same rate. It's human nature, plain and simple. Robots can probably run anarchist society, but people? No way.

damn title!! i was not prepared for hearts

fuckin PIG wasnt even trying to catch the ball what an asshole this and you know what i bet he's only just gonna get like a week paid "suspension". man fuck pigs

-well i thought this was funny-

[QUOTE=Griffster26;43613858]If only that kid had a gun[/QUOTE] wtf

why the fuck do they train cops to throw balls straight at a kid's chest? i saw him throw at least 3 times at the chest, and only once at the legs (although that was probably an accident) and seriously, he's throwing a ball in a residential neighborhood, wtf? i saw him miss the shot a couple times and have it go past the kid, what if it hit someone else having lunch in their apartment? seriously, i think it's about time that the police train their cops to taser people instead of this kind of depravity I saw in the video

[QUOTE=Greenen72;43613918]why the fuck do they train cops to throw balls straight at a kid's chest? i saw him throw at least 3 times at the chest, and only once at the legs (although that was probably an accident) and seriously, he's throwing a ball in a residential neighborhood, wtf? i saw him miss the shot a couple times and have it go past the kid, what if it hit someone else having lunch in their apartment? seriously, i think it's about time that the police train their cops to taser people instead of this kind of depravity I saw in the video[/QUOTE]Ohh, please, you HAVE to post this in the comments of the video. PLEASE.

Although seriously that was really nice of the cop.

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;43613794]Crime isn't always something that's done because people need to , it's done because people want to a lot of the time. Nobody needs a TV, yet people steal them in burglaries. Nobody needs someone else to die, yet people murder. Nobody needs to grafiti, but people grafiti. There are crimes done out of necessity, stealing food etc. but the majority are done because a decent percentage of people are just dicks, and you can't help that. There have been societies where any crime resulted in a death penalty. Crime still occurred at pretty much the same rate. It's human nature, plain and simple. Robots can probably run anarchist society, but people? No way.[/QUOTE] Who wouldn't want a TV when you don't have what you want out of life? This is an "artificial want" because it's a commodity that was invented for the sake of someone wanting it, not to fill a need. In a capitalist society, we have entertainment as a major priority in our otherwise work-filled lives, and so we want for flashy commodities like TVs. Of course someone is going to steal a TV when they want a TV, the thing is that people don't put 2 and 2 together that maybe they want TVs to begin with because there's nothing better to do with the time? Because TV is a better alternative than something else? If we improved living standards and provided alternatives that we would all want, why would we need to steal entertainment commodities, or any commodity, if that want is supplied? People don't steal because they are dicks, they steal to fulfill a want, whether it be more commodities, or more money, or to fulfill a need. It all comes down to the same thing: society does not provide for them what they need to fulfill the want.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;43613596]Out of genuine respect and curiosity. If not cops, than what we would we have to ensure safety and order of communities?[/QUOTE] those children think that vigilante and community justice is more ideal than the system we have now. They genuinely think that people wouldn't be murdering and maiming each other without our justice system.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;43613329]Don't tell the anarchists shhh all cops are bad[/QUOTE] what kind of stupid bloke are ya ? edit: like for real, that sweeping generalisation and the blatant strawman. it hurts

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43613987']Who wouldn't want a TV when you don't have what you want out of life? This is an "artificial want" because it's a commodity that was invented for the sake of someone wanting it, not to fill a need. In a capitalist society, we have entertainment as a major priority in our otherwise work-filled lives, and so we want for flashy commodities like TVs. Of course someone is going to steal a TV when they want a TV, the thing is that people don't put 2 and 2 together that maybe they want TVs to begin with because there's nothing better to do with the time? Because TV is a better alternative than something else? If we improved living standards and provided alternatives that we would all want, why would we need to steal entertainment commodities, or any commodity, if that want is supplied? People don't steal because they are dicks, they steal to fulfill a want, whether it be more commodities, or more money, or to fulfill a need. It all comes down to the same thing: society does not provide for them what they need to fulfill the want.[/QUOTE] I'm not really in the mood to argue this but the fact that there are people with trillions of dollars in their bank account, who are still working every single day to make more money is a pretty good illustration that you can never satiate the demand of certain people. It's not a society thing, it's a people thing. The thing all you communists/anarchists and such don't understand is that not everyone is wired the same way as you, you might be quite content to share wealth evenly and work together, and that's excellent, I support your optimism. But not everyone else thinks that way, and it's not just a thing you can program into people, it's the way their brains are wired. They simply don't think the same way as you, you need to design a society that works for everyone, not a society that works for the wishy washy happy lovely people who never do anything selfish or wrong, because those people are the tiniest minority.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614018]those children think that vigilante and community justice is more ideal than the system we have now. They genuinely think that people wouldn't be murdering and maiming each other without our justice system.[/QUOTE]The problem is the entire concept is, more than any other, dependent upon a perfect world scenario. Where everything works because everything works.

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;43614047]I'm not really in the mood to argue this but the fact that there are people with trillions of dollars in their bank account, who are still working every single day to make more money is a pretty good illustration that you can never satiate the demand of certain people. It's not a society thing, it's a people thing. The thing all you communists/anarchists and such don't understand is that not everyone is wired the same way as you, you might be quite content to share wealth evenly and work together, and that's excellent, I support your optimism. But not everyone else thinks that way, and it's not just a thing you can program into people, it's the way their brains are wired. They simply don't think the same way as you, you need to design a society that works for everyone, not a society that works for the wishy washy happy lovely people who never do anything selfish or wrong, because those people are the tiniest minority.[/QUOTE] oh yes you're right this society does work for everyone.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614018]those children think that vigilante and community justice is more ideal than the system we have now. They genuinely think that people wouldn't be murdering and maiming each other without our justice system.[/QUOTE] Our justice system already murders plenty enough. It makes money off of literal slave labor. Right now around 1 in 35 black Americans is in a prison, and many of them are working for little or no pay while the prisons make notable profits, working for the state or for private companies. I'm sorry, but if your answer to crime is slavery then you're ideologically degenerate. There are alternatives to the current system and our justice system is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from ideal. Both in an ideological, but also in a functional, way.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43613577]As an anarchist, I recognize that cops are people and aren't all bad. I fundamentally disagree with the idea of cops and I think they have unjust authority, but that doesn't mean I think all cops are evil.[/QUOTE] Its a bit worrying, since anarchists have been killing cops in the Ukraine and Greece.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;43614064]oh yes you're right this society does work for everyone.[/QUOTE] I never once said current society is perfect. I think capitalism has a lot of flaws (such as the aforementioned trillionaires) and it's definitely not ideal, but I think it's working pretty well for countries that have somewhat reasonable people living in them. I don't know what the ideal society is, but I can certainly tell you it's neither anarchist, communist or capitalist. I'm a pretty big fan of a semi socialist society, like Australia, where it's fundamentally capitalist but there's lots of support from the government for people who need it. Even that has problems like freeloaders but it's a problem you have to deal with. There's probably no true right answer, but I think that the more extremist approaches are more wrong than they are right.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43614076']Our justice system already murders plenty enough. It makes money off of literal slave labor. Right now around 1 in 35 black Americans is in a prison, and many of them are working for little or no pay while the prisons make notable profits, working for the state or for private companies. I'm sorry, but if your answer to crime is slavery then you're ideologically degenerate. There are alternatives to the current system and our justice system is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from ideal. Both in an ideological, but also in a functional, way.[/QUOTE] lol do you have any actual evidence that those prisoners are actually being forced to labor for a corporation or the state, and it's not voluntary work? Nobody here has said that the current system is perfect of flawless. It has it's issues and we're all mature enough to acknowledge that. We're just saying that the current system would be better than one you're proposing. Ideologically our system is fine. The issue is where corporations come into play with private prison systems. I'd rather have that than the typical anarchist or communist proposal.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43614076']Our justice system already murders plenty enough. It makes money off of literal slave labor. Right now around 1 in 35 black Americans is in a prison, and many of them are working for little or no pay while the prisons make notable profits, working for the state or for private companies. I'm sorry, but if your answer to crime is slavery then you're ideologically degenerate. There are alternatives to the current system and our justice system is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from ideal. Both in an ideological, but also in a functional, way.[/QUOTE]That doesn't make yours remarkably preferable or more effective. So much is riddled with holes or just left to "Well it'll work." [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;43614079]Its a bit worrying, since anarchists have been killing cops in the Ukraine and Greece.[/QUOTE]To be fair, both places have serious issues, Ukraine in particular is exceptionally bad. Random slayings are entirely unacceptable though, and short of self-defense against bodily harm during a protest or demonstration, violence should never be used.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43614079]Its a bit worrying, since anarchists have been killing cops in the Ukraine and Greece.[/QUOTE] Are you implying that soccerskyman kills cops in the Ukraine and Greece?

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;43614047]I'm not really in the mood to argue this but the fact that there are people with trillions of dollars in their bank account, who are still working every single day to make more money is a pretty good illustration that you can never satiate the demand of certain people. It's not a society thing, it's a people thing. The thing all you communists/anarchists and such don't understand is that not everyone is wired the same way as you, you might be quite content to share wealth evenly and work together, and that's excellent, I support your optimism. But not everyone else thinks that way, and it's not just a thing you can program into people, it's the way their brains are wired. They simply don't think the same way as you, you need to design a society that works for everyone, not a society that works for the wishy washy happy lovely people who never do anything selfish or wrong, because those people are the tiniest minority.[/QUOTE] its the way our brains are wired but for most of human civilization we didnt even own private property or have markets or accumulate wealth and most of the rural second and third world still works like that. most second and third world nations still are socially ordered on a communitarian basis ok man if you say so. humans, who work in social groups, developed for the social order, survived because of our social nature, are inherently wired to be individualists who lust after commodity goods that didn't exist for large distribution until just over ~120 years ago in the west and as recently as ~40 years ago in the east, and money that most of us didn't even have notable access to until the 1950s in the US. well alright now you see, what you described is called "greed" and it's a social disorder, which is self-fulfilling because those who are greedy are best at achieving in a system of cooperation, allowing them to fulfill their greed and create societal and institutional systems that further that goal. To justify it, they then establish that greed is a good thing for the system and for the individual. This is not a matter of "wiring", this is a matter of social upbringing. You and me and all of us have been brought up in a world of commodities, mostly without worrying about fulfilling our needs, and as such we're trained to work on "I want this, I will have it", and not "I need this, I will get it". That's not "wiring", that's what we expect. This whole thing of socialism or communitarianism is foreign to most westerners because our entire social basis is reverse of it, but for most the rest of the world it is not, and even further even just 100 years ago in many places, even in the west, the ideas of socialism and communitarianism were more commonplace. This is why peasants in the backwoods of Russia who have never so much looked at a book other than the bible were able to understand the fundamental economic concepts in socialism that today you need a 2 hour lecture to even get a modest grasp on for a westerner. [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614106]lol do you have any actual evidence that those prisoners are actually being forced to labor for a corporation or the state, and it's not voluntary work? Nobody here has said that the current system is perfect of flawless. It has it's issues and we're all mature enough to acknowledge that. We're just saying that the current system would be better than one you're proposing. Ideologically our system is fine. The issue is where corporations come into play with private prison systems. I'd rather have that than the typical anarchist or communist proposal.[/QUOTE] "Voluntary" work? In a prison? Does this need to be explained? I haven't proposed a justice system tho.