Most Britons think ISIS is getting more powerful and would back stronger military action against the - Polidicks

[url]https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/05/23/public-back-raf-air-strikes-worry-isis-winning/[/url] [quote]Six in ten approve of the anti-ISIS air campaign, but hardly anyone thinks the terror group is losing its grip and most would back increased commitment[/quote]

Alot of people don't think it's our problem, which actually it is considering they have influence over people and garner support from some citizens in this country not to mention if we leave them alone now they will become a bigger problem in the future.......surely people must see this.

Suppose that we did something about ISIS, what's in it for us?

[QUOTE=Chopstick;47789293]Suppose that we did something about ISIS, what's in it for us?[/QUOTE] We can reminisce harder about the good ol' Empire by being the discount world police

[QUOTE=Chopstick;47789293]Suppose that we did something about ISIS, what's in it for us?[/QUOTE] You could help possibly stabilizing the Middle East? Britain is at least partly to blame for some of the problems in that region.

[QUOTE=SuicideZ;47789543]You could help possibly stabilizing the Middle East? Britain is at least partly to blame for some of the problems in that region.[/QUOTE] The arbitrary borders for which Britain is largely responsible are a contributing factor in Middle East unrest.

You see the rising concern and improving support for troops on the ground in the 18 to 29 age bracket in the United States as well.

[QUOTE=Chopstick;47789293]Suppose that we did something about ISIS, what's in it for us?[/QUOTE] You know, there is a thing called selflessness and doing something because it's right, not because it has a benefit to yourself.

[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;47789605]You know, there is a thing called selflessness and doing something because it's right, not because it has a benefit to yourself.[/QUOTE] Nah man, my taxes pay for The Army, Inc. so if I'm not going to see a return on my investment I'm not interested.

[QUOTE=Chopstick;47789293]Suppose that we did something about ISIS, what's in it for us?[/QUOTE] payment for fucking up the entire region.

[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;47789605]You know, there is a thing called selflessness and doing something because it's right, not because it has a benefit to yourself.[/QUOTE] I'll tell you one thing, you'd have a better chance of me signing your birthday card than contributing towards any war effort, but sure the lecture is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;47789605]You know, there is a thing called selflessness and doing something because it's right, not because it has a benefit to yourself.[/QUOTE] when was the last time a military intervention was launched out of selfless duty and honor "to do the right thing" and not because of some almost satirical ulterior motive? i don't mean to be a realpolitik skeptic here but you are naive as fuck

It doesn't feel right sending other people off to fight wars for me. I feel like I should be part of the service before my opinion is really valid.

you think the UK is going to get involved because the british empire was fucking around in that region 120 years ago?

[QUOTE=Swilly;47789586]You see the rising concern and improving support for troops on the ground in the 18 to 29 age bracket in the United States as well.[/QUOTE] Who would most likely be the ones fighting the war............ Perhaps bring back conscription as well if they so gung ho....... [editline]24th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;47789605]You know, there is a thing called selflessness and doing something because it's right, not because it has a benefit to yourself.[/QUOTE] That's a good one. Know any other knee slappers?

[QUOTE=Chopstick;47789293]Suppose that we did something about ISIS, what's in it for us?[/QUOTE] We stop the spread of an evil barbaric culture that's destroying countless lives?

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;47789563]The arbitrary borders for which Britain is largely responsible are a contributing factor in Middle East unrest.[/QUOTE] The Britain of the early 1920s was to blame. The people and government of Britain today are not those people responsible and shouldn't be held accountable.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47790125]The Britain of the early 1920s was to blame. The people and government of Britain today are not those people responsible and shouldn't be held accountable.[/QUOTE]Britain today has the power to help.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47790162]Britain today has the power to help.[/QUOTE] There is a very strong chance that western intervention will only aggravate the situation worse.

[QUOTE=Chopstick;47789293]Suppose that we did something about ISIS, what's in it for us?[/QUOTE] your lovely citizens that rebuke their citizenship to go fight a war and probably scrub shitters then try and come back like a moron

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47790202]There is a very strong chance that western intervention will only aggravate the situation worse.[/QUOTE] On the other hand, if we do nothing they continue to succeed. Bit of a double-edged sword really.

[QUOTE=Chopstick;47789293]Suppose that we did something about ISIS, what's in it for us?[/QUOTE] They've made quite clear their intention to harm Great Britain. So doing something about a threat to the country would presumably make it safer.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47790125]The Britain of the early 1920s was to blame. The people and government of Britain today are not those people responsible and shouldn't be held accountable.[/QUOTE] I'm glad someone understands this. The days of Empire are long gone, IS is a recent development not a development of some age old British mandate

I have a feeling that the only reason we're not already there is that each time we knock down somebody we thought was bad, something worse comes along and it's our fault.

[QUOTE=Melnek;47789782]you think the UK is going to get involved because the british empire was fucking around in that region 120 years ago?[/QUOTE] Everything was fine until those damn Mongols fucked up Baghdad. Those Romans and Turks were dicks too.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47791965]I have a feeling that the only reason we're not already there is that each time we knock down somebody we thought was bad, something worse comes along and it's our fault.[/QUOTE] well it's self-fulfilling either way isnt it? as a rule, when you knock these people down, you can only destroy the organization. The fact that something like IS once existed, for argument's sake, will always be inspiration enough for somebody else to follow in their footsteps, because they proved that they could spread chaos and terror on such a large scale. It's the simple matter of the idea not dying. Even then, it shouldn't stop action being taken. The last thing we need is for them to somehow succeed in making or acquiring a dirty bomb, or god forbid, a conventional nuclear device, to create a nuclear terror strike. Sure that they could be just boasting about their capabilities, but I'm of the opinion that prevention is better than picking up the pieces after they've done their damage. And whatever damage they've done is enough to spare as it is. Terrorism is impossible to completely eradicate. It's always going to be with us, but what we can do is make sure that major attacks such as 9/11 and 26/11 don't get topped off by something else for another group to aim towards.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;47789563]The arbitrary borders for which Britain is largely responsible are a contributing factor in Middle East unrest.[/QUOTE] Those borders were mostly just what was given to us by the LON to administer after the Turkish Empire, but [I]within[/I] those mandates is another story

ISIS in many ways is a result of western intervention in the middle east, and has roots leading all the way back to the soviet-afghan and the Chechen war. I think people should face that foreign intervention in the middle east so far hasn't helped that much. And the peoples backing of ISIS in those parts of the world is greatly under exaggerated in western media especially in iraq, where the iraqi army is apparently slaughtering dozens of innocent people out of fear of them collaborating with ISIS, the coalitions backing of the Iraqi army and deployment of Advisers isn't going to help drive people away from joining ISIS, to many (not all) of the locals the coalition are seen as the oppressors. How can we expect to improve a country when the locals hate us and whom we support?

IS is a shitty situation with no simple answers. The longer we wait, the bigger a legitimate threat they get to be, but our intervention in the middle east caused this to begin with. There's plenty of reason to suspect we may make it worse.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;47793052]IS is a shitty situation with no simple answers. The longer we wait, the bigger a legitimate threat they get to be, but our intervention in the middle east caused this to begin with. There's plenty of reason to suspect we may make it worse.[/QUOTE] At this point its basically damned if you do or don't. We can never really get rid of the underpinnings that cause such terrorist groups to form or re-form after going underground in the event of a catastrophic failure or defeat, but we can try to keep them off-balance enough in the long term that they can't cause major incidents, or at least that's how I see it. They'll always have a pool of both willing recruits and brainwashed individuals who're ready to die for their causes, so there's that. Though really, at this stage, it would be too much for hoping that we'd ever completely be rid of the spectre of terrorism, even in the unlikely event of radicalism being completely destabilized as an ideology.