• Russia 'seizes' Greenpeace ship. 29 arrested at gunpoint.
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[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/69907000/jpg/_69907645_019343292-1.jpg[/img] [quote]Greenpeace says 29 of its activists are being held at gunpoint by Russian security officers, who stormed the group's ship in the Arctic. One of the activists told the BBC that about 15 men in balaclavas seized the Arctic Sunrise ship in the Barents Sea. This comes a day after four Greenpeace members tried to board a Russian oil platform to prevent it from drilling.[/quote] [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24170129]**SOURCE**[/url] Good to see someone is willing to drag Greenpeace to jail because Fuck them and their tactics.
I don't particularly fancy either group but they had it coming when they boarded the rig.
Good, fuck Greenpeace. I felt sympathy with them and even supported their tactics to an extent until they started protesting [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice]golden rice[/url] for no reason other than 'lol fuck GMO'.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;42247863] for no reason other than 'lol fuck GMO'.[/QUOTE] thats an actual good reason though
Not sure what to think, one one hand, woo, because lots of them are pricks that disrupt different industries, like how in the article they tried to stop an oil rig from drilling. On the other hand, it's suppression of a public opinion on oil drilling and nuclear reactors and such.
[QUOTE=Stroma;42247881]thats an actual good reason though[/QUOTE] there is nothing inherently wrong with GMOs
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;42247863]Good, fuck Greenpeace. I felt sympathy with them and even supported their tactics to an extent until they started protesting [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice]golden rice[/url] for no reason other than 'lol fuck GMO'.[/QUOTE] Greenpeace are sadly one of the dumber environmental activism groups. I mean you just have to see that stupid anti nuclear power video they made with the plane crashing into a nuclear power station to realise how sensationalist they are. Not that I'm too fond of the whole oil drilling myself, but at the same time I dislike greenpeace.
[QUOTE=Stroma;42247881]thats an actual good reason though[/QUOTE] No it's not, there's been no evidence that GMO foods are unsafe to eat and telling people they are is no different from telling people that vaccinations are dangerous.
[QUOTE=Stroma;42247881]thats an actual good reason though[/QUOTE] They're literally against something that would save millions of lives because it would save people in areas where they die of Vitamin A deficit. I'm talking millions of people a year, but lol no cause gmo bad.
[QUOTE=Stroma;42247881]thats an actual good reason though[/QUOTE] If you would take a moment and get informed on the subject, you'll see that GMO =/= BAD. Most GM foods are modified for pesticide resistance, golden rice was modified for having actual nutritional value besides starch and sugar.
[QUOTE=Stroma;42247881]thats an actual good reason though[/QUOTE] It really isn't and if you think it is then fuck you.
I dunno why Greenpeace don't go and fuck Monsanto up
[QUOTE=Loriborn;42247894]there is nothing inherently wrong with GMOs[/QUOTE] We don't know that, for sure. Not enough long term reserach.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42247989]We don't know that, for sure. Not enough long term reserach.[/QUOTE] haha gm products have been commercially around before you were fuckin born
Is Greenpeace still anti-nuclear energy?
[QUOTE=aydin690;42247989]We don't know that, for sure. Not enough long term reserach.[/QUOTE] GM foodstuffs have been on the market for many years now, if they were inherently dangerous, then something would have shown up by now.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42247989]We don't know that, for sure. Not enough long term reserach.[/QUOTE] The first publicly available GMO vegetables hit the markets in 1992. That's 21 years for research with no documented side-effects. How long do you expect people to wait? [editline]crap[/editline] I should've actually said 'first publicly available GMO vegetables in the USA'. It's quite likely they were grown for substantially longer in Europe.
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[QUOTE=aydin690;42247989]We don't know that, for sure. Not enough long term reserach.[/QUOTE] Contrary to what you may think genetic scientists don't slap caustic foam into a box and sell it to people without testing. They aren't Vykkers. [img]http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/815/401002-ramo0037.jpg[/img]
Just saying, that is a really good picture. looks like somthing out of a movie.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;42248026]The first publicly available GMO vegetables hit the markets in 1992. That's 21 years for research with no documented side-effects. How long do you expect people to wait?[/QUOTE] And the studies only started coming out in 98-99 with very limited scope. There are no long term studies (20+ years). We know they're safe in the short term but we don't know if they're worse than non modified crops in the long run.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;42248026]The first publicly available GMO vegetables hit the markets in 1992. That's 21 years for research with no documented side-effects. How long do you expect people to wait?[/QUOTE] even before that, we were fucking with plants with hormone inhibitors
[QUOTE=s0m3_guy;42248063]even before that, we were fucking with plants with hormone inhibitors[/QUOTE] They were made commercially available in the 90s.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;42247914]No it's not, there's been no evidence that GMO foods are unsafe to eat[/QUOTE] [URL=http://aaemonline.org/gmopost.html]l[/URL][URL=http://www.responsibletechnology.org/10-Reasons-to-Avoid-GMOs]o[/URL][URL=http://rt.com/news/monsanto-rats-tumor-france-531/]l[/URL] [URL=http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/11/15]o[/URL][URL=http://enhs.umn.edu/current/5103/gm/harmful.html]k[/URL]
[QUOTE=aydin690;42248059]And the studies only started coming out in 98-99 with very limited scope. There are no long term studies (20+ years). We know they're safe in the short term but we don't know if they're worse than non modified crops in the long run.[/QUOTE] the concept of gene splicing in botany is to activate specific genetic properties, do you think they dont know what theyre doing when they have entire genomes mapped out? [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] the only good reason why gm is so fucked is cause of the monopoly state of gm research
[QUOTE=Stroma;42248086][URL=http://aaemonline.org/gmopost.html]l[/URL][URL=http://www.responsibletechnology.org/10-Reasons-to-Avoid-GMOs]o[/URL][URL=http://rt.com/news/monsanto-rats-tumor-france-531/]l[/URL] [URL=http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/11/15]o[/URL][URL=http://enhs.umn.edu/current/5103/gm/harmful.html]k[/URL][/QUOTE] UFO conspiracy site? This has to be trolling
[QUOTE=Stroma;42247881]thats an actual good reason though[/QUOTE] because GMOs are more drought, blight, and pesticide resistant, while simultaniously having double the yeild of natural crops is a bad thing? we're approaching 8 billion, we can't afford to go o-natural this probably means russia considers greenpeace a terrorist organisation now right? in which case the stakes just got higher
[QUOTE=Saxon;42248123]UFO conspiracy site? This has to be trolling[/QUOTE] you dont believe in ufos? and also, that's only one of the five links i provided. that one also doesn't have any actual scientific evidence, so its ok if you disregard it
some of their stances though are just completely stupid, like their anti-nuclear stance, do they realise that nuclear closed-loop reactors don't normally spew any waste into the water table unlike coal or gas powered plants? [editline]19th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=aydin690;42248059]And the studies only started coming out in 98-99 with very limited scope. There are no long term studies (20+ years). We know they're safe in the short term but we don't know if they're worse than non modified crops in the long run.[/QUOTE] you do realise that corn, most forms of rice, and all grain crops are technically GMOs as they don't occure naturally, also that the basic concepts behind GMOs have been practiced for thousands of years, its just now we can do a thousand generations of evolution in a matter of months thanks to simulated conditions and genetic modifications
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;42247914]No it's not, there's been no evidence that GMO foods are unsafe to eat and telling people they are is no different from telling people that vaccinations are dangerous.[/QUOTE] Vaccinations are sorta dangerous, in that they [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21880755]weaken your immune system's ability to produce it's own antibodies, making you susceptible to other strains.[/url] The main issue with GMOs is, they're a fat-tailed risk. (Quoting Nassim Nicholas Taleb) That means that if things go bad, they go catastrophically bad, usually irreversibly. Nothing humans have introduced in modern times has made us unconditionally better without unpredictable side effects, and ones that are usually detected with considerable delays (transfats, steroids, tobacco, Thalidomide, etc.)
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