CarrierIQ's data is being used by FBI - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2011/dec/12/fbi-carrier-iq-files-used-law-enforcement-purposes/[/URL] [quote] FOI Request: [URL="http://www.muckrock.com/foi/view/united-states-of-america/manuals-or-documentation-regarding-accessing-carrier-iq-data-fbi/947/"]Manuals or Documentation Regarding Accessing Carrier IQ Data (FBI) [/URL] A recent FOIA request to the Federal Bureau of Investigation for "manuals, documents or other written guidance used to access or analyze data gathered by programs developed or deployed by Carrier IQ" was met with a telling denial. In it, the FBI stated it did have responsive documents - but they were exempt under a provision that covers materials that, if disclosed, might reasonably interfere with an ongoing investigation. Carrier IQ came under fire after a [URL="http://androidsecuritytest.com/features/logs-and-services/loggers/carrieriq/"]security researcher demonstrated[/URL] that the previously little-known company had software installed on a variety of phones on a variety of networks that [URL="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/programmer-raises-concerns-about-phone-monitoring-software/"]could track user locations, keystrokes, encrypted Internet traffic and more[/URL], some of which was or could be sent back to either the cell phone owner's service provider or Carrier IQ's own servers. What is still unclear is whether the FBI used Carrier IQ's software to in its own investigations, whether it is currently investigating Carrier IQ, or whether it is some combination of both - not unlikely given the recent uproar over the practice coupled with the [URL="http://projects.wsj.com/surveillance-catalog/#/"]U.S. intelligence communities reliance on third-party vendors[/URL]. The response would seem to indicate at least the former, since the request was specifically for documents related directly to accessing and analyzing Carrier IQ data. I plan to appeal the blanket denial in hopes of answering that question. [/quote] The FBI says they can't answer the question of whether they're using data stolen from people's phones by CarrierIQ's rootkit, because it would interfere with current investigations. Meaning, the FBI is in the process of using that data to put people in jail. We literally live in a world where the feds have bugs in everybody's cell phones. No bullshit, if your phone has CarrierIQ, it is recording your keystrokes and activity and sending it to a database the FBI can search and use to arrest you. Without a warrant or any court oversight whatsoever. This makes the Bush wiretaps look like tin cans and string. How are people not fucking furious about this? Why is CarrierIQ still completely unpunished since this story came out?

lol, and people said the data was just for statistics, and said it would never be used by anyone other than CarrierIQ. I bet they'll also conveniently not post in this thread.

i am fucked

Oh boy, better remove all that naughty browser history!

[quote]What is [B]still unclear[/B] is whether the FBI used Carrier IQ's software to in its own investigations, whether it is currently investigating Carrier IQ, or whether it is some combination of both.[/quote]

Use a Custom (pref. AOSP) android ROM to avoid CIQ.

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;33692210]Use a Custom (pref. AOSP) android ROM to avoid CIQ.[/QUOTE] Did that a long time ago... Even if CarrierIQ is the one being currently investigated, that still means their massive caches of stolen data are in the possession of the FBI, without a warrant on the tens (if not hundreds) of millions of people that are being illegally wiretapped by them. I am NOT OKAY with that.

im glad atleast apple removed it in the latest iOS release

And this still aint gonna change shit. People can't go without their little gizmos or facebooks

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;33692238]Did that a long time ago... Even if CarrierIQ is the one being currently investigated, that still means their massive caches of stolen data are in the possession of the FBI, without a warrant on the tens (if not hundreds) of millions of people that are being illegally wiretapped by them. I am NOT OKAY with that.[/QUOTE]If the data is in possession of CarrierIQ then the FBI only needs a warrant for CarrierIQ, not the people CarrierIQ has data on.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;33692261]im glad atleast apple removed it in the latest iOS release[/QUOTE] Glad I can install custom ROM's on my Android.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33692310]If the data is in possession of CarrierIQ then the FBI only needs a warrant for CarrierIQ, not the people CarrierIQ has data on.[/QUOTE] That is such a disgusting underhanded thing to do to your own citizens.

Good thing I use Cyanogenmod's ROM

[QUOTE=jaaaaymeeeen;33692350]That is such a disgusting underhanded thing to do to your own citizens.[/QUOTE]If they're investigating CarrierIQ, then the warrant can cover anything CarrierIQ is in possession of, even if it is information personal to other people. It'd be like the police getting a warrant for suspected burglars. They get there and find copious amounts of stolen property. They don't need separate warrants to seize said stolen property, the original covers it because it is in the possession of the suspects. In that case, they'd try to return the stolen property to its original owners. This is just on a far more grand scale. In the case of CarrierIQ, they'd most likely have to keep copies only for legal purposes in case of an appeal or another investigation later, in which case they would need a warrant for the data then. All other copies would have to be destroyed.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;33692261]im glad atleast apple removed it in the latest iOS release[/QUOTE] Yeah, they say that, but they also said they solved the shitty antenna issue.

Im still glad I dont have a cell phone :v:

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33692533]If they're investigating CarrierIQ, then the warrant can cover anything CarrierIQ is in possession of, even if it is information personal to other people. It'd be like the police getting a warrant for suspected burglars. They get there and find copious amounts of stolen property. They don't need separate warrants to seize said stolen property, the original covers it because it is in the possession of the suspects. In that case, they'd try to return the stolen property to its original owners. This is just on a far more grand scale. In the case of CarrierIQ, they'd most likely have to keep copies only for legal purposes in case of an appeal or another investigation later, in which case they would need a warrant for the data then. All other copies would have to be destroyed.[/QUOTE] Are you saying that they can use the information to try and convict anyone solely because of the data? Its possible I'm just misunderstanding, but If so that's pretty messed up. Regardless, That's an obscenely large amount of personal info and even if they aren't going to do anything with it I don't want the FBI to have it, or anyone for that matter.

[QUOTE=jaaaaymeeeen;33693194]Are you saying that they can use the information to try and convict anyone solely because of the data? Its possible I'm just misunderstanding, but If so that's pretty messed up. Regardless, That's an obscenely large amount of personal info and even if they aren't going to do anything with it I don't want the FBI to have it, or anyone for that matter.[/QUOTE] I don't know if you heard, but we can basically try, convict, and imprison just about anybody in complete secrecy. You think some kangaroo court is going to give a shit where the FBI got their data? It's so unbelievably underhanded. "Oh, we can't log everything everyone does on their phone? Well, find someone that can and just steal it from them." Time to stop bleating about the approaching police state, we're already here.

Hate to break it to ya guys, but there have been bugs in our phones since they came out. They can ping our GPS at any time, activate our phone's microphones, and do whatever they want to our phones remotely as long as there is even a battery in it. WHile disturbing, this is not news. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] to me at least.

[QUOTE=jaaaaymeeeen;33693194]Are you saying that they can use the information to try and convict anyone solely because of the data? Its possible I'm just misunderstanding, but If so that's pretty messed up. Regardless, That's an obscenely large amount of personal info and even if they aren't going to do anything with it I don't want the FBI to have it, or anyone for that matter.[/QUOTE] They can't really use the stuff they find in carrierIQ stashes to start another investigation. As they would invalidate the evidence by doing so.

Is this a US only thing or is it global? Unsure if I should inform my parents about it.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33693237]Hate to break it to ya guys, but there have been bugs in our phones since they came out. They can ping our GPS at any time, activate our phone's microphones, and do whatever they want to our phones remotely as long as there is even a battery in it. WHile disturbing, this is not news. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] to me at least.[/QUOTE] [img]http://mimg.ugo.com/201104/0/3/0/185030/cuts/dale-gribble_480_poster.png[/img] You don't say.

Good thing I don't have any friends to call :v: [editline]idk[/editline] or to do anything with...

[QUOTE=jaaaaymeeeen;33693194]Are you saying that they can use the information to try and convict anyone solely because of the data? Its possible I'm just misunderstanding, but If so that's pretty messed up. Regardless, That's an obscenely large amount of personal info and even if they aren't going to do anything with it I don't want the FBI to have it, or anyone for that matter.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you are misunderstanding. They can't try anyone with that data. It was unlawfully obtained by CarrierIQ, and could only be used against CarrierIQ as evidence of their actions. It would otherwise be inadmissible. They would pretty much have to destroy all the data except for potentially keep a copy for record purpose and in case of future litigation or charges against CarrierIQ, but they would need court order to access it then.

Could you explain exactly what your source is? It looks like some kind of third party tool for getting FOIA requests through to journalists, but I don't get exactly what that entails

Now, of course, if they are not actually investigating CarrierIQ and instead using them as a way to collect information about individuals, then yes it is highly illegal and entirely unethical. We just don't know what they are doing.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33693571]Yeah, you are misunderstanding. They can't try anyone with that data. It was unlawfully obtained by CarrierIQ, and could only be used against CarrierIQ as evidence of their actions. It would otherwise be inadmissible. They would pretty much have to destroy all the data except for potentially keep a copy for record purpose and in case of future litigation or charges against CarrierIQ, but they would need court order to access it then.[/QUOTE] Given what we've seen from our government, are you really naive enough to believe that? We don't even have a ruling that says CarrierIQ's actions were illegal. We have a decade-long history of kidnapping, secretly imprisoning and torturing people overseas without trial, the feds could use CarrierIQ's data to identify people for rendition in absolute secrecy. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;33693610]Could you explain exactly what your source is? It looks like some kind of third party tool for getting FOIA requests through to journalists, but I don't get exactly what that entails[/QUOTE] The source is a tool for submitting FOIA requests, and the post is by the person who submitted the request for answers on whether the FBI has instruction materials for using data obtained by CarrierIQ. It paraphrases the request denial sent by the FBI.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;33693681]Given what we've seen from our government, are you really naive enough to believe that? We don't even have a ruling that says CarrierIQ's actions were illegal. We have a decade-long history of kidnapping, secretly imprisoning and torturing people overseas without trial, the feds could use CarrierIQ's data to identify people for rendition in absolute secrecy.[/QUOTE]Ohh yes, that is entirely possible. I just discussing some basic legal ideas involved. What they actually do is beyond the scope of my vision. That just requires waiting and seeing.

Good thing mines more of a mobile porn device and internet browser than a means to send my plots to assassinate people. I use hotmail for that.

I smell communism