VICE - Martin Shkreli Interview: Drug Price Hikes & Playing the World's Villian - General

[video=youtube;2PCb9mnrU1g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCb9mnrU1g[/video] thought some of you would find this interesting

cant for for the video though

[QUOTE=autodesknoob;49633441]cant for for the video though[/QUOTE]fucking tags, fixed

Clickbait bullshit.

[QUOTE=27X;49633514]Clickbait bullshit.[/QUOTE]did you watch it

Of course I watched it.

Interesting viewpoint and I can understand what he is doing.But people who are rich tend to do better/nicer things with their money than fucking with others.

[QUOTE=27X;49633769]Of course I watched it.[/QUOTE]ok good then, why clickbait though?

i don't really buy into Shkreli's bullshit of trying to reclaim himself as a good guy, but i will note that he's absolutely right about one thing drug companies can, and will, always be screwing over the consumers to boost their profits. they are a business, front to back. to do human good is just a byproduct. Shkreli knew he was diving into a dumpster full of needles, but he just happened to pull attention for it. Many CEOs pull this day and night and nobody pays attention to them. our cat & mouse game of healthcare, insurance, medicine has been fucked up far and beyond what it was supposed to be. It gets the job done for the consumer but only if they have enough money; the poor get fucked regardless.

The reason no body els notices is because they don't jump the shark like he did, they rase prices but no where near as bad as he did. When he bought the rights it went from like $15ish a pill to $750 overnight

I know it sounds cliche, but is he autistic/have aspergers? The way he moves his head, talked down to her while playing chess and how he walked looked like someone who may have that condition.

[QUOTE=BLOB Fish Dude;49634129]I know it sounds cliche, but is he autistic/have aspergers? The way he moves his head, talked down to her while playing chess and how he walked looked like someone who may have that condition.[/QUOTE]People tend to look away from the person they're talking to whenever they're accessing past memories or thinking hard enough.

[QUOTE=Killer900;49634213]People tend to look away from the person they're talking to whenever they're accessing past memories or thinking hard enough.[/QUOTE] I know that, but the amount he was doing that was def excessive and he was kinda rocking back and forth.

[QUOTE=BLOB Fish Dude;49634327]I know that, but the amount he was doing that was def excessive and he was kinda rocking back and forth.[/QUOTE] can we not do this please

I cant tell if this guy is a genuine sociopath or a terminally smug asshole Aside from denying that he's making a "other companies do it too I was just upfront about it" argument and then proceeding to do exactly that, his solution for people who can't afford it is that they have to go to him and beg for it

I want to hope what he is saying is true but with the way he's dealt with things doesn't really help his argument imo.

even though he's an asshole about the whole thing, you can't blame him for exploiting capitalism like pretty much every other business in the world does, even though he maybe "jumped the shark" by skyrocketing the price like he did, the only difference is that now people are presented with a person to point the blame at at least the politicians are actually talking about issues like these now that he's become infamous

I'm not convinced he's the devil. He did a huge price increase. But everyone raises their prices gradually enough that we don't shout, bitch, and moan. It's important to keep the perspective in mind.

[QUOTE=Piciul;49638592]even though he's an asshole about the whole thing, you can't blame him for exploiting capitalism like pretty much every other business in the world does, even though he maybe "jumped the shark" by skyrocketing the price like he did, the only difference is that now people are presented with a person to point the blame at at least the politicians are actually talking about issues like these now that he's become infamous[/QUOTE] "don't hate the player; hate the game"

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49639013] Shkreli did hos thing, not much out of the ordinary. You dont get mad at a thief when theft is a legal practice.[/QUOTE] You don't?

I always kept asking for reports of single individuals actually getting directly fucked over by Shrkeli's actions. And I always had my suspicions about the media just painting a picture, minus him buying out the Wu Tang album, or whatever other crazy tricks he's done in public. [editline]31st January 2016[/editline] But anyways that was a cool interview, kinda?

I wish we could just let this mongoloid go to prison and stop with the fanfare. There's no genius hiding behind his childlike face, there's no ulterior motive or poignant commentary on the state of our society.. It's just a complete douchebag who is reveling in the spotlight and somehow successfully turning his public perception from "complete piece of garbage" to "misunderstood businessman and thinker" in the minds of the gullible. [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BLOB Fish Dude;49634129]I know it sounds cliche, but is he autistic/have aspergers? The way he moves his head, talked down to her while playing chess and how he walked looked like someone who may have that condition.[/QUOTE] It feels more like somebody who is a total dork trying to come across as cool and composed. He's clearly trying to push an image of a cool, relatable guy who is misunderstood, but he hasn't quite figured out how to use this strange new human body he's found himself in so he just comes off as autistic. Watching him bob his head and over-enthusiastically laugh "haha! FUCKING FBI" really drives it home. [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Piciul;49638592]even though he's an asshole about the whole thing, you can't blame him for exploiting capitalism like pretty much every other business in the world does, even though he maybe "jumped the shark" by skyrocketing the price like he did, the only difference is that now people are presented with a person to point the blame at at least the politicians are actually talking about issues like these now that he's become infamous[/QUOTE] No, you can definitely blame him. You just don't want to because he's been personified. Before Shkreli's ugly mug was plastered across the internet for months on end, he was just part of the black box pharmaceutical industry that everyone universally agrees is basically evil. Now that he's become personified (Oh man, he likes Wu-Tang Clan too? He's not so bad after all!), people want to shift the blame so they don't have to admit that this bottomfeeder is actually not a good guy at all, even if he smiles and likes the same music you do. The incompetency of the law is not a free ticket to blameless violation of basic human sympathy and morality for the sake of profit. Why some people are so easily convinced by his bullshit is truly beyond me, I mean look at this: [QUOTE=Trebgarta;49639013]Shkreli did hos thing, not much out of the ordinary. You dont get mad at a thief when theft is a legal practice.[/QUOTE] I don't know what kind of bizarro-world you live in, but yes, even if I lived in Somalia and there were no official laws in my country for whatever reason, I'd still be quite irked if somebody stole from me, or made inaccessible my life-saving medication. Why? Because it's fucking [I]wrong[/I]. [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] How funny that so many people will claim that something being illegal doesn't make it immoral (i.e. smoking weed or something along those lines), yet as soon as a spoiled Albanian pharmaceutical executive gives an interview on VICE, the tables turn and you guys apparently think that as long as it's legal, it's moral. [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] Hey guys, wanna know why nothing he did is illegal? Because companies like his in the pharmaceutical industry lobby with billions of dollars in order to make sure their immoral practices stay legal! Anyone that thinks "you can't blame him, it's legal" is seriously dense, sorry. The pharmaceutical companies are not only taking advantage of the ineptitude of our country's laws, they are [I]creating[/I] those opportunities, fighting desperately and lobbying with the immense money and power that can only be achieved through these immoral business practices, in order to ensure they can continue doing whatever they want without repercussion. It's like if a thief paid somebody to break your locks, then robbed you and said "oh, well the door was open!".

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49639013]The only criminal is the Congress and the Senate and whatever legislative body USA has for enabling big pharmas and not giving citizens a good healthcare insurance like in Europe. Shkreli did hos thing, not much out of the ordinary. You dont get mad at a thief when theft is a legal practice.[/QUOTE] yes i do being a douchebag isn't a crime. do you know who pisses me off, though? douchebags

[QUOTE=Piciul;49638592]you can't blame him for exploiting capitalism like pretty much every other business in the world does[/QUOTE] You absolutely can. "Everybody else is doing it!" is not a moral argument.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49639024]I'm not convinced he's the devil. He did a huge price increase. But everyone raises their prices gradually enough that we don't shout, bitch, and moan. It's important to keep the perspective in mind.[/QUOTE] as long as that perspective is that he is part of a pervasive but none the less evil practice then yes, if the perspective is that he's somehow less at fault for it then i disagree

[QUOTE=Larikang;49641291]You absolutely can. "Everybody else is doing it!" is not a moral argument.[/QUOTE] Didn't he try to say that he's doing it for a good cause? [editline]31st January 2016[/editline] Which may sound ridiculous, but that's what it sounded like in the interview.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;49642492]Didn't he try to say that he's doing it for a good cause? [editline]31st January 2016[/editline] Which may sound ridiculous, but that's what it sounded like in the interview.[/QUOTE] He's saying the medicine can get gotten for much cheaper or for free if you [I]really can't afford it[/I], and that the price hike actually only affects people who can afford it (The 1%, Insurance companies, etc). He also tried to justify it by saying 60% of their revenue goes into R&D, where as competing companies only put 15% into R&D. It's an interesting argument, dunno if I believe all of what he says. I personally think he's using it as market manipulation, and intending to get profit off of the market for himself. No idea, we'll see what charges the FTC lobbies against him. [editline]31st January 2016[/editline] He looks like an interesting person, probably high functioning with how he sits and interacts with the interviewer, I felt the chess match was a bit rude though.

[QUOTE=srobins;49639425] It feels more like somebody who is a total dork trying to come across as cool and composed. He's clearly trying to push an image of a cool, relatable guy who is misunderstood, but he hasn't quite figured out how to use this strange new human body he's found himself in so he just comes off as autistic. Watching him bob his head and over-enthusiastically laugh "haha! FUCKING FBI" really drives it home. [/QUOTE] sure on the rest of the stuff but this kind of thing rubs me the wrong way it's also in her write up of the interview [QUOTE]Shkreli is about five-foot-eight with the physique of a professional League of Legends player and a handshake so weak it barely registers as human contact[/QUOTE] pretty easy to be sympathetic to even war criminals if their opponents act like this

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49646587]sure on the rest of the stuff but this kind of thing rubs me the wrong way it's also in her write up of the interview pretty easy to be sympathetic to even war criminals if their opponents act like this[/QUOTE] I don't know, it's rude but I don't really see what the big deal is. He's a dork, it is what it is. [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] Maybe it's harsh since it's irrelevant in the context of his actions, if that's what you mean then yeah I guess I can understand that, but in all honesty I don't really care much about being respectful of the guy considering how deplorable he is.