Prehistoric cave prints reveal most early artists were Women. - Polidicks

[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/science/prehistoric-cave-prints-show-most-early-artists-were-women-8C11391268[/url] [QUOTE]Alongside drawings of bison and horses, the first painters left clues to their identity on the stone walls of caves, blowing red-brown paint through rough tubes and stenciling outlines of their palms. New analysis of ancient handprints in France and Spain suggests that most of those early artists were women. This is a surprise, since most archaeologists have assumed it was men who had been making the cave art. One interpretation is that early humans painted animals to influence the presence and fate of real animals that they'd find on their hunt, and it's widely accepted that it was the men who found and killed dinner. But a new study indicates that the majority of handprints found near cave art were made by women, based on their overall size and relative lengths of their fingers. Another reason we thought it was men all along? Male archeologists from modern society where gender roles are rigid and well-defined — they found the art. "[M]ale archaeologists were doing the work," Snow said, and it's possible that "had something to do with it." [/QUOTE] That last reason probably is the main reason. Men just assuming things about the past based on their current societies values.

another win for the matriarchy

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[QUOTE=Pelican;42539815]another win for the matriarchy[/QUOTE] Feminist revisionism right here. The conspiracy grows stronger. Denying that men dominated societies during the last 20,000 years would be silly.

I'm not really sure why this matters, but I guess it's interesting.

That kinda makes sense. Just picture yourself as a cavewoman back in the day. You're bored at the cave, just waiting for your mate to bring back dinner, and happen to have some pigments around, what do you do? You invent art to keep yourself occupied!

Anyone who mentions feminism in this thread is absolutely an objectively inflammatory poster. Just saying this now.

[QUOTE=katbug;42539873]Anyone who mentions [B]feminism[/B] in this thread is absolutely an objectively inflammatory poster. Just saying this now.[/QUOTE] you're done.

[QUOTE=katbug;42539873]Anyone who mentions feminism in this thread is absolutely an objectively inflammatory poster. Just saying this now.[/QUOTE] isn't the fact that you've said this also objectively inflammatory though

[QUOTE=Cone;42539893]isn't the fact that you've said this also objectively inflammatory though[/QUOTE] Don't split hairs, there's already two posts about it.

[QUOTE=katbug;42539943]Don't split hairs, there's already two posts about it.[/QUOTE] you're the one who brought it up

the men were too busy hunting for food to survive

this thread sucks [editline]16th October 2013[/editline] do you really think that back then women just had the time to sit around all day

Hah! Explains why you can't tell what the hell the paintings are even supposed to be! Bitches can't draw for shit, get back to the kitchen and cook me some fuckin' mammoth!

What if they were more of a prehistoric shopping list of sorts? The Woman went: "This. Go find this and bring it home." And the men went: "HURRR OKAYY" I dunno, it's like it works in our family.

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;42539833]That kinda makes sense. Just picture yourself as a cavewoman back in the day. You're bored at the cave, just waiting for your mate to bring back dinner, and happen to have some pigments around, what do you do? You invent art to keep yourself occupied![/QUOTE] actually women had less free time than men.

[QUOTE=Uncle Bourbon;42540497]actually women had less free time than men.[/QUOTE] Yep. The men would only bring home a big meal every so often, while the women were out all day picking and preparing a dinner that could be counted on every day. A nice slab of meat was just a bonus every so often.

[QUOTE=incognitocob;42540503]A nice slab of meat was just a bonus every so often.[/QUOTE] Tell me about it.

[QUOTE=incognitocob;42540503]Yep. The men would only bring home a big meal every so often, while the women were out all day picking and preparing a dinner that could be counted on every day. A nice slab of meat was just a bonus every so often.[/QUOTE] I am not an expert but I think that as long as there was nothing to [I]hunt[/I], the men did just as much foraging and picking as women, as otherwise they would all starve to death. And vice versa, I would be surprised if the women who weren't caring for their children at the moment didn't participate on hunts.

reminds me of this documentary [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm55acH2_Nc[/media] really interesting and amazing look at one of the most pristine examples of a cave with amazing paintings inside, even footprints and torch marks are still there. It's pretty cool until you actually start to realize just how fucking long ago all this stuff was made, then it's mind blowing.

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;42539833]That kinda makes sense. Just picture yourself as a cavewoman back in the day. You're bored at the cave, just waiting for your mate to bring back dinner, and happen to have some pigments around, what do you do? You invent art to keep yourself occupied![/QUOTE] did they also sit around eating bon bons while watching oprah? because that is incredibly ignorant to say and ignores the fact that in early human societies, everyone had to participate either hunting, foraging, or tool making otherwise it could lead to starvation. [editline]16th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=theVendetta;42540194]the men were too busy hunting for food to survive[/QUOTE] human food doesn't need to be hunted. our diets are mostly fruits, nuts, roots, etc., with meat as a supplement. we don't actually need a ton of meat. [editline]16th October 2013[/editline] and the meat we reliably DID eat didn't need to be really hunted either. we ate a ton of fish iirc which is fished, which is a job that even a child can participate in.

Caveman(person?) stuff is always interesting. These creatures, these people, so different to us, but the foundation of everything we have today. Everything! Art! Science! Everything we take for granted as common place began with cavepeople trying to survive, while taking their first stumbling steps towards separating us from other animals by asking why. Maybe I'm romanticizing it a bit, but I just find it all amazing.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42539829]Feminist revisionism right here. The conspiracy grows stronger. Denying that men dominated societies during the last 20,000 years would be silly.[/QUOTE] Man it'd just be awful if feminists were like.... getting up in everybody's shit. It's a good thing we have the constant bombardment of anti-women rhetoric here on facepunch to get up in everybody's shit almost fives times as much as feminists do, so we can constantly be warned of the evils of the matriarchy. [quote]You're bored at the cave, just waiting for your mate to bring back dinner, and happen to have some pigments around, what do you do?[/quote] [quote]the men were too busy hunting for food to survive[/quote] Is this satire?

And then somewhere, someone decided, "I don't feel like hunting anymore" and he or she started planting seeds and then we had agriculture.

[QUOTE=Swilly;42544006]And then somewhere, someone decided, "I don't feel like hunting anymore" and he or she started planting seeds and then we had agriculture.[/QUOTE] and human society almost never recovered.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42544021]and human society almost never recovered.[/QUOTE] what do you mean almost

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42541994]I am not an expert but I think that as long as there was nothing to [I]hunt[/I], the men did just as much foraging and picking as women, as otherwise they would all starve to death. And vice versa, I would be surprised if the women who weren't caring for their children at the moment didn't participate on hunts.[/QUOTE] This is what archaeology is starting to move toward, last time I checked. IIRC, there's several primitive tribes which work that way today.

[QUOTE=Cone;42539893]isn't the fact that you've said this also objectively inflammatory though[/QUOTE] whoa

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42544021]and human society almost never recovered.[/QUOTE] Its weird if you look back on history, just how little we know and then we find all this weird shit like gear driven computers and the first thing that comes to mind is, "WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE MORE."

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42544059]This is what archaeology is starting to move toward, last time I checked. IIRC, there's several primitive tribes which work that way today.[/QUOTE] i was under the impression that the hunter-gatherer existence was basically ubiquitous until agriculture it strikes me as a very peaceful if somewhat bland life