[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;35342385]It can't be done[/QUOTE]
It will be done eventually, the question really is how long it will take us.
Oh god.
They're gonna kill us all.
You can tell at the end, they're plotting to kill all of the people in that room
Tipped over like an alcoholic.
[QUOTE=Drax-Quin;35342586]It will be done eventually, the question really is how long it will take us.[/QUOTE]
All we have to do is make it intelligent enough to learn on its own. These robots seem to be learning how to move their bodies without injury, while trying to come up with a way to communicate with each other. So I feel that this is a big stepping stone. Once a robot can learn and understand what it has learned, it is capable of doing anything.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;35343205]All we have to do is make it intelligent enough to learn on its own. These robots seem to be learning how to move their bodies without injury, while trying to come up with a way to communicate with each other. So I feel that this is a big stepping stone. Once a robot can learn and understand what it has learned, it is capable of doing anything.[/QUOTE]
The problem is the way they're learning isn't exactly learning, with humans we really don't understand the mechanisms of learning all to well to even implement them in a machine. For instance while we're aware Neural pathways are built as we learn leading to the science of neural plasticity we don't really understand how the brain functions to discern what information is useful and non-useful (we don't understand the brains way of discarding/keeping information).
Although many have said that Dreaming is the process via which the brain undergoes this storing process which explains a lot about the content of dreams but not much about the science behind lucidity. We also still don't understand the functionality behind dreaming.
In all truth we need to understand the human mind more before we can begin creating machines that replicate it's functions.
So far all these robots are doing is kinda simple I mean the program they utilize is complex to work this stuff out obviously but it's functions are very superficial. It uses a camera and a basic tracking technology to analyses what an object is, it learns language by following a word with a gesture. It's all very linear in design you don't see the robot doing anything outside of this linear programmed path which is obvious because it can't. So there's a long way to go before we can understand the nuances to replicate the human brain technologically.
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;35342385]It can't be done[/QUOTE]
"I don't understand how it can be done thus it can't possibly be done"
If everyone thought like you the world would be a miserable place.
[QUOTE=chipset;35343855]
If everyone thought like you the world would be a miserable place.[/QUOTE]
It will be at the reign of the machines. :tinfoil:
My god technology is moving fast. It is a shame that much of it does not get in the spotlight because of less important advances such as in phones.
[QUOTE=Drax-Quin;35342586]It will be done eventually, the question really is how long it will take us.[/QUOTE]
no, it just won't happen
the best you'll ever see in your life time will be a combination of software engineering parlor tricks
speech recognition backed by natural language detection (currently exists) and motor behavioral feedback (currently exists) would be a hard-hitting combination to make you think artificial intelligence is feasible, but its nothing more than simulating the concept up to a point
in the end, artificial intelligence has to be hand written by engineers, and it's a very bold task
any single component that would be required for such an endeavor can take decades to develop, and together they don't create a true replicate of intelligence, just a smoke and mirrors facade for those people experiencing what they think should be intelligent - nothing more
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[QUOTE=chipset;35343855]"I don't understand how it can be done thus it can't possibly be done"
If everyone thought like you the world would be a miserable place.[/QUOTE]
except there are people on facepunch who do understand how it can be done, and it's so ridiculously complex that it would take team upon team to accomplish just a portion of what needs to be written for a true replicate of human intelligence
Your post does not consider development in other areas of understanding that will augment artificial intelligence. Right now you're only considering engineering and programming and you're considering it a very present value which is foolish given how incredible advancements in technology were in this decade alone. We'll learn more things about developing speech recognition, behavioral feedback, and of course the very fundamentals of basic programming will develop.
Also as I stated one huge area that most people forget is advancements in neuroscience, understanding the human brain is the frontier to replicating it digitally. Trust me the human brain isn't all that its chocked up to be, we're essentially neural pathways and neural signals at the end of the day.
[QUOTE=Drax-Quin;35351958]Trust me the human brain isn't all that its chocked up to be, we're essentially neural pathways and neural signals at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]
That's both a great way to degrade reputable researchers in various fields, and make it seem like it's simple.
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I also take it you've never written a single line of code in your life, or ever built a simple robot and programmed it.
And you call my post foolish.
[QUOTE=amcfaggot;35351981]That's both a great way to degrade reputable researchers in various fields, and make it seem like it's simple.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't degrade them at all, just like with the above robot the implementations and functions are fairly simple but their abstractions and development is extremely complex. For instance just to get that robot to stand up as the guy rightly says is extremely difficult but superficially the concept of standing up is extremely simple.
Analogously the human brain is the same ordeal it's inner-workings are incredibly complex, even the inner-workings of the smallest organisms such as bacteria are insanely complex (which is an argument you'll often hear from creationists), but the functions they perform with such mechanisms are very simple.
Understanding the human brain is necessary to understand the fundamental building blocks of basic things like morality, we know currently the basic neural impulses that cause these but we still don't comprehend how it all comes together, earlier I made a similar point regarding learning we understand neural pathways are constructed but not the specifics of process the brain uses to do so. Knowing such we can at the very least know where to start. Yes though we are just electrical impulses and neural pathways but that doesn't detract from the complexity of these things working cooperatively nor the way those things work at a very mechanical level.
Also making the assumption that I've never written code wasn't the brightest thing to do, I am as a matter of fact an experienced C++ programmer and I've read multiple books on the subject, currently I'm reading through 'Game Coding Complete 3rd Edition' and ironically enough 'Programming Game AI by Example '. I did not call your post foolish I said it would be foolish to disregard much in terms of the possible development of future A.I. Though if you would rather be rude you're free to do so.
Well Quantum Entanglement has allowed scientists to teleport atoms over 10 miles, whether that'll be viable some day for the million of atoms comprising a human being to be teleported remains to be seen. I'm sure they'll work something out.
They're making this much too complicated. Just give it a few holes and ship me 20 of them.
[QUOTE=Drax-Quin;35354879]Well Quantum Entanglement has allowed scientists to teleport atoms over 10 miles, whether that'll be viable some day for the million of atoms comprising a human being to be teleported remains to be seen. I'm sure they'll work something out.[/QUOTE]
Trillions of atoms, but perhaps some day. Although I wonder if we would still be the same.
I wonder if the person on the other end is still you? Or would it be an exact replica?
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Also, I believe proper AI is when a program knows how to program itself further, to increase effiency.
[QUOTE=GhostKiller;35355060]Yes, I have heard of this and it's pretty interesting. It would be awesome to see it implemented for humans or maybe bigger objects so I don't have to wait for long when ordering something online. :) So many possibilities.[/QUOTE]
Ah, yes. When Episode 3 finally releases, we won't have to wait for it to deliver!
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