Trump's disclosure endangered spy placed inside ISIS by Israel, officials say
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[B][U]Trump's disclosure endangered spy placed inside ISIS by Israel, officials say[/U][/B]
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The life of a spy placed by Israel inside ISIS is at risk tonight, according to current and former U.S. officials, after President Donald Trump reportedly disclosed classified information in a meeting with Russian officials last week.
The spy provided intelligence involving an active ISIS plot to bring down a passenger jet en route to the United States, with a bomb hidden in a laptop that U.S. officials believe can get through airport screening machines undetected. The information was reliable enough that the U.S. is considering a ban on laptops on all flights from Europe to the United States.
The sensitive intelligence was shared with the United States, officials say, on the condition that the source remain confidential.
"The real risk is not just this source," said Matt Olsen, the former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center and an ABC News contributor, "but future sources of information about plots against us."
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[I](Sorry for so many threads, it's been a rather eventful few days as we all can tell!)[/I]
Well it seems the States are gonna get a whole lot less info now, at-least when Trump is around.
He's utterly fucked if something actually happens to the guy
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;52237916]He's utterly fucked if something actually happens to the guy[/QUOTE]
What are you, crazy?!? This isn't a big deal, not like those email servers Hillary had!
I appreciate all the news and discussion lately but let's not state irrelevant Hillary stuff or fling shit at the opposite party please
[QUOTE=Hilton;52237953]I appreciate all the news and discussion lately but let's not state irrelevant Hillary stuff or fling shit at the opposite party please[/QUOTE]
to be fair, our republican senators still bring up hillary's emails to this day as a means of distracting from trump's wrongdoings
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the kinda shit Chelsea Manning got in trouble for? Classified info that could get people killed. I'm having a hard time deciding if it's more or less bad that it was leaked by the president, but I doubt Trump would ever be treated as atrociously as Manning even if he were hypothetically convicted of the same offences.
[QUOTE=bitches;52238040]to be fair, our republican senators still bring up hillary's emails to this day as a means of distracting from trump's wrongdoings[/QUOTE]
And so does Fox News, like last night:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SW9fsdW.png[/IMG]
The first secondary story in the headline Hillary story is "but her emails" all but verbatim. Also, that unfortunate headline on the topic after Trump admitted it himself.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52238246]Yeah so let's drop to their level right?
No. The "but Hillary!" shitposting on every thread needs to end, it contributes nothing to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
I'm simultaneously amused and disturbed that shitposting is considered dropping to the republican's level.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52238246]Yeah so let's drop to their level right?
No. The "but Hillary!" shitposting on every thread needs to end, it contributes nothing to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
Tbf no Trump supporter has contributed to a thread either, but they're allowed to run free too.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52238246]Yeah so let's drop to their level right?
No. The "but Hillary!" shitposting on every thread needs to end, it contributes nothing to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree. It's obnoxious.
Does the media putting it out that it was a spy in ISIS make it worse? Won't ISIS be extra paranoid now that it's in the public? I can sort of understand that worst comes to worst only Russia would know about it, but now [i]EVERYONE[/i] knows, including them.
In no way am I antagonizing them, I am just genuinely curious. I don't know how these kinds of announcements effect things
from earlier today:
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;52236236]If you read the article and many others like it you'll read that the information in question was something relating to terrorists using hidden explosive devices in electronics.
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read any of the source articles or thread" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
oops :tried:
[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;52238160]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the kinda shit Chelsea Manning got in trouble for? Classified info that could get people killed. I'm having a hard time deciding if it's more or less bad that it was leaked by the president, but I doubt Trump would ever be treated as atrociously as Manning even if he were hypothetically convicted of the same offences.[/QUOTE]
The difference being that Manning was a whistleblower. agree with her or not there were clear, understandable actions an American would want to take to protect our country's integrity.
Trump on the other hand is a faucet of classified information purely for fun, or at best he uses it for personal leverage.
[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;52238160]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the kinda shit Chelsea Manning got in trouble for? Classified info that could get people killed. I'm having a hard time deciding if it's more or less bad that it was leaked by the president, but I doubt Trump would ever be treated as atrociously as Manning even if he were hypothetically convicted of the same offences.[/QUOTE]
One thing is to leak info about how the government is treating your citizens and the stances it has taken. For everyone in the world to see. So people can do some shit about it.
And another thing is to leak info, to a country which is actively trying to sabotage you and also the party the info came from and hoping nothing "bad" would happen.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;52239570]The difference being that Manning was a whistleblower. agree with her or not there were clear, understandable actions an American would want to take to protect our country's integrity.
Trump on the other hand is a faucet of classified information purely for fun, or at best he uses it for personal leverage.[/QUOTE]
Might be a cool litmus test to identify people who are arbitrarily authoritarian.
Person 1: Someone leaked confidential info potentially putting lives in danger
Person 2: omg thats bad throw em in jail 4 lyfe
Person 1: They did it to highlight bad things the state has done in an effort to improve it and stop bad shit happening again.
Person 2: dont care they a traitor
Person 1: Someone leaked confidential info potentially putting lives in danger
Person 2: omg thats bad throw em in jail 4 lyfe
Person 1: IT was the president
Person 2: oh, he did nothing wrong
Person 1: They did it to show off
Person 2: dont care they not a traitor
Dont see how it would endanger Israeli spy if the information was only shared with Russia. The media endengered it by publishing it. And how did the media got that info? Someone leaked it? You got more problems then just your presided if clasified information is leaked left and right
It's not necessarily that it endangers the spy by telling Russia directly. The issue is the same as if you told a friend at school a secret, and now they told one of their friends, but only if they keep it secret too, and so on... Eventually it's going to get around the playground, and the kid who you are spreading secrets about is going to find out, and he's going to start a manhunt for your spy. Basic elementary playground rules.
Not to mention, Russia and the US are both fighting ISIS, but with drastically different motives. Russia is pro-Assad, and wants to increase their foothold in the middle east. Obviously, the West is not so much aligned in those views. Giving Russia a helping hand is more than just, "Guys, it was just to help them fight ISIS. Think of the children...".
[QUOTE=bullpull;52240407]Dont see how it would endanger Israeli spy if the information was only shared with Russia. The media endengered it by publishing it. And how did the media got that info? Someone leaked it? You got more problems then just your presided if clasified information is leaked left and right[/QUOTE]
That's the only thing I've been thinking about these last days, it's easy to blame Trump for "leaking" information with foreign diplomats(which he has every right to do) but the real problem are the people leaking the private conversation containing classified information to the media...
[QUOTE=bilbasio;52240455]That's the only thing I've been thinking about these last days, it's easy to blame Trump for "leaking" information with foreign diplomats(which he has every right to do) but the real problem are the people leaking the private conversation containing classified information to the media...[/QUOTE]
Except Trump told the Russian government when he wasn't supposed to as per what the deal between Israel and America agreed. That info will pass around. I mean, wasn't the Russian media also in on that visit?
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52240461]Except Trump told the Russian government when he wasn't supposed to as per what the deal between Israel and America agreed. That info will pass around. I mean, wasn't the Russian media also in on that visit?[/QUOTE]
I personally feel that he did the right thing informing the russians about a threat that could come to them. Of course it would've been better if Israel did it themselves but IMO it was the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=bilbasio;52240493]I personally feel that he did the right thing informing the russians about a threat that could come to them. Of course it would've been better if Israel did it themselves but IMO it was the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]
But was it a threat to Russia? What he may of done is legal but the Israelis did not want that info out there, and by telling the Russians he declassified it and made it much, much easier to spread, which has put an Israeli spy in danger.
The Israelis clearly had a reason to tell the Americans. There was no reason to tell the Russians. But Trump did anyway, with only the Russian media in view, without telling the FBI or anyone else. He just did it spontenously.
What he did was wrong, maybe not legally, but ethically. The Israelis will likely avoid giving info to the Trump administration again.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52240524]But was it a threat to Russia? What he may of done is legal but the Israelis did not want that info out there, and by telling the Russians he declassified it and made it much, much easier to spread, which has put an Israeli spy in danger.
The Israelis clearly had a reason to tell the Americans. There was no reason to tell the Russians. But Trump did anyway, with only the Russian media in view, without telling the FBI or anyone else. He just did it spontenously.
What he did was wrong, maybe not legally, but ethically. The Israelis will likely avoid giving info to the Trump administration again.[/QUOTE]
I think it is a threat to every country that is involved in Syria even if Russia isn't fighting ISIS as much as he is fighting rebels. Like I said it would've been obviously better if Trump had told Russia the information with Israel consent but it isn't the main problem in this story.
The main problem is knowing who is leaking info about meetings in the white house. You said that Russian media was present at this meeting which is a possibility but it's hard to tell in which context the information was said and if the media was present at that moment.
[QUOTE=bilbasio;52240493]I personally feel that he did the right thing informing the russians about a threat that could come to them. Of course it would've been better if Israel did it themselves but IMO it was the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]
What threat are you even referring to?
[editline]17th May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=bilbasio;52240574]I think it is a threat to every country that is involved in Syria even if Russia isn't fighting ISIS as much as he is fighting rebels. Like I said it would've been obviously better if Trump had told Russia the information with Israel consent but it isn't the main problem in this story.
The main problem is knowing who is leaking info about meetings in the white house. You said that Russian media was present at this meeting which is a possibility but it's hard to tell in which context the information was said and if the media was present at that moment.[/QUOTE]
It's not "a possibility" they were literally recorded to have been there.
[QUOTE=froztshock;52240581]What threat are you even referring to?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]an active ISIS plot to bring down a passenger jet en route to the United States, with a bomb hidden in a laptop that U.S. officials believe can get through airport screening machines undetected.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]ISIS has already taken credit for blowing up a Russian airliner two years ago, killing more than 200 people, claiming the bomb was hidden in a soft drink can. [/QUOTE]
This threat.
[editline]17th May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=froztshock;52240581]It's not "a possibility" they were literally recorded to have been there.[/QUOTE]
I don't really care if it's a white house insider or a russian/american media that leaked the info, a leak is a leak and as far as I know the source remains anonymous.
[QUOTE=bilbasio;52240493]I personally feel that he did the right thing informing the russians about a threat that could come to them. Of course it would've been better if Israel did it themselves but IMO it was the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]
How do you know that? How do you know what the intel was outside of a laptop bomb threat that was credible [i]specifically to the United States[/i]? People have had the capability to make bombs in laptops for a long time now but only now are we doing preparative measures against it thanks to Israel's intel. In all likelihood the intel was that ISIS was specifically going to target US airlines from Europe (at least, from what we can glean off of these reports). This is a credible threat to the US and not Russia, because if it was, why wouldn't we have already told the Russians? We would've already been in talks to inform everyone to prevent the worst from happening or we'd be in hot shit if something [i]did[/i] happen.
What's more, an agent was supposedly endangered from this and this was secret even within our own government, let alone our allies, so I'd presume it was more than just protecting our flights. There might have been an operation by Israel to capture these ISIS members by using their own plot against them.
But no, not only will we not ever know this now, we've also severely hurt relations with not only the intelligence community - [i]a necessary backing force if we're going to fight organizations like ISIS[/i] - we've also hurt our relations with Israel itself. This is not good and indefensible on Trump's part.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52241103]How do you know that? How do you know what the intel was outside of a laptop bomb threat that was credible [i]specifically to the United States[/i]? People have had the capability to make bombs in laptops for a long time now but only now are we doing preparative measures against it thanks to Israel's intel. In all likelihood the intel was that ISIS was specifically going to target US airlines from Europe (at least, from what we can glean off of these reports). This is a credible threat to the US and not Russia, because if it was, why wouldn't we have already told the Russians? We would've already been in talks to inform everyone to prevent the worst from happening or we'd be in hot shit if something [i]did[/i] happen.
What's more, an agent was supposedly endangered from this and this was secret even within our own government, let alone our allies, so I'd presume it was more than just protecting our flights. There might have been an operation by Israel to capture these ISIS members by using their own plot against them.
But no, not only will we not ever know this now, we've also severely hurt relations with not only the intelligence community - [i]a necessary backing force if we're going to fight organizations like ISIS[/i] - we've also hurt our relations with Israel itself. This is not good and indefensible on Trump's part.[/QUOTE]
I don't know more than anyone else here, and I don't pretend I know more because let's face it nobody really knows anything that goes on in the white house, there's a lot of speculation.
I still stand on my point that if everything stayed behind closed doors, revealing critical classified information to another country that is fighting alongside us is not a big deal.
My problem with this case is the leak that happened within the white house. Did Trump talked about it in front of the Russian media? Possibly but there's no way to know. Of course revealing classified information in front of the media is a really dumb thing to do, there's no doubt about that.
If the source remains anonymous there is no way of telling if Trump did a dumb thing or not, like I said earlier, sharing critical information with other countries involved in the same conflict is not that big of a deal.
"fighting alongside us"
I don't think you realize Russia is a hostile foreign power, giving them anything is a mistake, especially if it endangers relations with countries that are supposed to be our allies.
[editline]17th May 2017[/editline]
Literally everyone is fighting ISIS right now, so should we be handing out this classified info like candy? Really now.
It really is unbelievable that he became president. I am sure Israel aren't going to be happy anyway, I am sure my own country will also be hesitant in the future considering we have bases in Cyprus and more likely than not our own special forces units in the area.
If trump is spouting this classified intel like it's the football score he should absolutely be impeached, an idiot like that cannot be in charge of anything let alone the US. Impeachment has to happen, he could endanger many more lives of his allies and cooperating with Russia in this way is honestly like something a satire movie would come up with.
Have to feel sorry for that spy though, entire cover could be blown and is most likely being pulled right now. Considering the intel he gathered about the laptop on a plane, I would say the US has lost quite a vital asset and damaged the relations of their greatest middle-eastern ally, not to mention demoralizing all other allies
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