China's aircraft carrier prowling Pacific, sending a message

[Judas]

[quote] (CNN)China's lone aircraft carrier is prowling the Pacific as the country seeks to assert its military might and build up its naval warfare capabilities.
The Liaoning carrier's J-15 fighter jets practiced air confrontations and air refueling in the Yellow Sea late last week before the ship and its flotilla of escorting frigates and destroyers headed into the open Pacific beyond Taiwan and Okinawa.

On Monday it headed to the South China Sea -- the site of regional tensions caused by China building fortifications on disputed islands.[/quote]

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/27/asia/china-aircraft-carrier-pacific/index.html[/url]

[Deathtrooper2]

for some reason, a picture popped into my head where a aircraft carrier has human like arms and legs, and is literally prowling.

What the fuck brain?

[MrWasabi]

[QUOTE]"China has no corps of experienced naval aviators and aircraft carrier crewmen on which to build their carrier force," Schuster said in an email to CNN. "They are having to build it from scratch ... a difficult challenge for a force reliant on 2-year conscripts for most of its personnel."
Schuster said China is planning for a fleet of four carriers by 2027-2029.
Even with the additional carriers, its carrier fleet will only be less than half the size of that of the US Navy, which boasts 10 carriers in service, another near commissioning and another under construction.
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An important bit, and I can verify this. The PLAN has little to no carrier experience so becoming more skilled at operating and building carriers as well as designing better carriers (ski jump carriers aren't very good) will come with time, but it`s still a long ways off before they have capabilities anywhere near US Carrier Strike Groups.

[ScottyWired]

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51591163]for some reason, a picture popped into my head where a aircraft carrier has human like arms and legs, and is literally prowling.

What the fuck brain?[/QUOTE]

Backstroke or butterfly?

[meppers]

so it's okay for america to have 10 carriers in operation but it's worrying for a country with a 9000 mile long coastline to have one?

[Invadernouga]

[QUOTE=meppers;51591283]so it's okay for america to have 10 carriers in operation but it's worrying for a country with a 9000 mile long coastline to have one?[/QUOTE]

I mean it's okay for China to have an aircraft carrier but I wouldn't say worrying, since our strike capabilities are 1000% greater than theirs.

[PsycheClops]

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;51591240]Backstroke or butterfly?[/QUOTE]
Dog paddle. The limbs are under the ship, beneath the ocean surface and that's why we never seem them.

[cecilbdemodded]

It's not worrying. There's an entire infrastructure, probably need a better word for it, that goes with placing an aircraft carrier in the field if you want it to amount to anything. Parts, supplies, trained pilots, constant training of everyone involved, the support ships, the surface AND submarine fleet to protect the carrier, constant maintenance of all this stuff, the naval bases to support operations in each location...it's more than just a working carrier.

[MrWasabi]

[QUOTE=meppers;51591283]so it's okay for america to have 10 carriers in operation but it's worrying for a country with a 9000 mile long coastline to have one?[/QUOTE]

When they're using it to bully half of South East Asia (including major allies) to take as they please, yes atleast a little. The difference between us is, when we put a carrier in the Arabian gulf or off the coast of China we're not pulling a magical historical map out of our ass and claiming those areas belong to us. 90% of the work we do out here is traning, maritime peacekeeping patrols, and Humanitarian missions.

Plus we technically only have 3-4 deployable carriers at any given time anyway.

[Jund]

[QUOTE=Ta16;51591225]An important bit, and I can verify this. The PLAN has little to no carrier experience so becoming more skilled at operating and building carriers as well as designing better carriers (ski jump carriers aren't very good) will come with time, but it`s still a long ways off before they have capabilities anywhere near US Carrier Strike Groups.[/QUOTE]

the PLA is massive but has absolutely no combat experience since their modernization because they haven't been deployed in force since 79

[Dr.C]

Is this the piece of shit carrier that belches out black smoke and has its own tugboat because of how often it breaks down and all the electrics and plumbing in it is broken or was that russian?

[Amez]

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51591482]Is this the piece of shit carrier that belches out black smoke and has its own tugboat because of how often it breaks down and all the electrics and plumbing in it is broken or was that russian?[/QUOTE]

It's also made out of an advanced new top secret material code-named Chinesium.

[polyhistor]

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51591482]Is this the piece of shit carrier that belches out black smoke and has its own tugboat because of how often it breaks down and all the electrics and plumbing in it is broken or was that russian?[/QUOTE]

That is the Russian Carrier (Admiral Kuznetsov).

As mentioned earlier, while it's not a piece of garbage, it isn't comparable to a Nimitz or a Gerald R. Ford class due to lack of experience in operations and deployment. Still, it gives the PLAN a greatly increased ability for force projection.

[Kube]

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51591482]Is this the piece of shit carrier that belches out black smoke and has its own tugboat because of how often it breaks down and all the electrics and plumbing in it is broken or was that russian?[/QUOTE]

That was the Russian one.

[MrWasabi]

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51591590]Same class. This is also made by the USSR. China bought from Ukraine IIRC.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but that's pretty irrelivant, the Varyag was received as a stripped hulk and was gutted and refitted from the ground up, aside from the superstructure and the hull itself I doubt there's anything left from the original ship. Likely modern boilers, plants, auxiliries, weapons, combat systems even the lagging.

[Saxon]

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51591590]Same class. This is also made by the USSR. China bought from Ukraine IIRC.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, they basically bought an unfinished hull that was rusting in Ukraine and finished it. It probably wouldn't suffer from all the problems the Admiral does since it operates in a warm climate. The cold is what fucks up Russia's

[Mr.Brown]

oh no they're going to destroy us taiwan help

[Jund]

[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51591687]oh no they're going to destroy us taiwan help[/QUOTE]

why would they destroy their own land??

[Mr.Brown]

[QUOTE=Jund;51591712]why would they destroy their own land??[/QUOTE]

[I]STILL[/I] not theirs, thank you

but a lot of chinese have this "留島不留人" attitude towards taiwan
which means they'd kill every single taiwanese to take back taiwan

[MaverickIB]

[QUOTE=Ta16;51591638]Yeah but that's pretty irrelivant, the Varyag was received as a stripped hulk and was gutted and refitted from the ground up, aside from the superstructure and the hull itself I doubt there's anything left from the original ship. Likely modern boilers, plants, auxiliries, weapons, combat systems even the lagging.[/QUOTE]

Nah it's pretty much the same thing as far as the tech level. The Chinese one is "newer" equipment but the same equipment. So the Russian one is a broke down piece of shit, the Chinese one is the same piece of shit but it's not nearly as broke down.

China doesn't really have a knack for innovation yet. The really only take shit from other countries (mostly Russia) and improve on it slightly with each new iteration. They can take an old gas turbine design and make it with new materials/higher tolerances but it'll pretty much be the same thing mechanically and have the same performance, just require less maintenance and be less prone to breakage. Their R&D is fairly poor.

[Blizzerd]

[QUOTE=Jund;51591338]the PLA is massive but has absolutely no combat experience since their modernization because they haven't been deployed in force since 79[/QUOTE]

I dunno man, the pla is not to be underestimated... they have constant experience by their occupation of palestine.

[rrunyan]

Why are we still doing this.

[Kube]

[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51591732][I]STILL[/I] not theirs, thank you

but a lot of chinese have this "留島不留人" attitude towards taiwan
which means they'd kill every single taiwanese to take back taiwan[/QUOTE]

Aren't you guys moving towards a volunteer based force? Considering you also buy billions in U.S military equipment I think you'll be fine, China wouldn't want to risk a war like that afaik