Gun Control - General - Facepunch Forum

Let's discuss the positives and negatives of the wide ownership of firearms, shall we? I believe that people have the right to put their safety in their own hands. I also believe that background checks and some form of mental health investigation should be a pre-requisite to legally obtaining a firearm.

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I think allowing responsible citizens to freely own firearms and using them in a reasonable manner if their life is directly threatened is fine.

I don't care if a man owns a big ass, terrifying gun. I do however, care if a crazy man owns a big ass, terrifying gun. If you're a felon, no dice, and if you're a crazy, no dice. Screen screen screen. Screen em' all inb4 GUNS KILL!!!!111 no shit they kill, they're guns.

Just wait 'till Europe is up then this will turn into a fun thread.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32386478] have the right to put their safety in their own hands[/QUOTE] Why do citizens need guns in the first place? For some reason, americans (and only americans) think guns protect people.

As long as there is proper, mandatory licensing, with different levels of license for different kindso f guns, I believe there need never be a single firearm that is banned, just at varying degrees of "hard to get" and "controlled." Eg. Automatics should require a separate safe to other firearms, most be rendered inoperable by some locking device or by locking a vital operation component separately from the firearm, stored separately from ammunition, the safe they are stored in should be secured to the ground and resistant to fire, and one should need to get their automatics safe inspected by their local police department at least once every year to ensure it abides by regulations. Upon finding it does not, the officer issues a 30 day mandate of the person to get a new safe, lest his autos be confiscated. Autos are another thing I believe should be registered. I also believe someone should be able to get a Concealed-Carry Weapons Permit, but they must take at least one course on the ethics of it and another on the practice of it, and while I generally oppose registration, as it leads to confiscation, any firearm used for CCW should need to be registered.

[QUOTE=aydin690;32386614]Why do citizens need guns in the first place? For some reason, americans (and only americans) think guns protect people.[/QUOTE] A bit misinformed there, I've met Canadians who support gun rights.

I think anyone should be able to own a firearm, with three requirements: 1. Must be 18 or over. 2. Must be sound of mind. 3. Must be able to demonstrate knowledge of proper firearm safety ie: handling, storage, etc. As long as they fit those three, I don't see any reason why someone shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32386660]A bit misinformed there, I've met Canadians who support gun rights.[/QUOTE] I'm one of them, as are most of, if not all of, my family and friends.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32386660]A bit misinformed there, I've met Canadians who support gun rights.[/QUOTE] I think you're missing my point. Why would anyone need a gun? And i'm not looking for smart ass answers like "well, hunters need them lol".

[QUOTE=aydin690;32386691]I think you're missing my point. Why would anyone need a gun? And i'm not looking for smart ass answers like "well, hunters need them lol".[/QUOTE] Because the police have no obligation to protect the individual person, just society at large, and police take far too long to arrive at the scene of pretty much any crime. That, and gun ownership is a deterrent for robbery, muggings, rape, and assault. Read the PDF I posted, it's long, but informative, and goes through just about any question that's been raised about gun control in... ever.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;32386662]I think anyone should be able to own a firearm, with three requirements: 1. Must be 18 or over. 2. Must be sound of mind. 3. Must be able to demonstrate knowledge of proper firearm safety ie: handling, storage, etc. As long as they fit those three, I don't see any reason why someone shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm.[/QUOTE] it's 16 where i'm from sorry buddy [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-clint.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=aydin690;32386691]I think you're missing my point. Why would anyone need a gun? And i'm not looking for smart ass answers like "well, hunters need them lol".[/QUOTE] Two years ago some very angry people showed up at my neighbor's house at one in the morning. Aftermath of a drunken argument. But they showed up with large sledge hammers and a fire axe. I called the cops and watched for 15 minutes while these people utterly destroyed the front of my neighbor's home, smashing the deck to bits, breaking windows, and the person with the axe even reached for the door handle before my neighbor opened it and knocked them out with an uppercut to the jaw. It took the cops 15 minutes to get there. My neighbors could have been slaughtered.

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;32386759]it's 16 where i'm from sorry buddy [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-clint.gif[/img][/QUOTE] 16 works too. I just think firearms should have some kind of age restriction. And if you can have sex and drive a car at 16, being able to own a gun as well sounds pretty reasonable.

I grew up in a country with tight gun control laws, so naturally I don't see the need to own one. But each to their own, I'm not going to bitch and moan if people own them, especially if they have it for a purpose.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;32386794]16 works too. I just think firearms should have some kind of age restriction. And if you can have sex and drive a car at 16, being able to own a gun as well sounds pretty reasonable.[/QUOTE] yea and that's up to the individual states anyway

I really only should say a quick background check for standard firearms, except you need a tougher background check for Class 3's and Pistols.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;32386724]Because the police have no obligation to protect the individual person, just society at large,[/QUOTE] LOL, says who? [QUOTE=DaCommie1;32386724] and police take far too long to arrive at the scene of pretty much any crime. [/QUOTE] Not necessarily, depends on where you live. [QUOTE=DaCommie1;32386724]That, and gun ownership is a deterrent for robbery, muggings, rape, and assault. [/QUOTE] Or you know, your gun might scare/aggrevate the robber, mugger, rapist, etc and now you're in a deeper shit than you were before.

chris rock had a very humorous idea about gun control -that each bullet should cost about $1000. so whenever someone would get shot, they would think about how much that person really hated him, spending $1000 on that bullet :v:

[QUOTE=aydin690;32386947]LOL, says who? [/quote] Says the US Supreme court. [quote]Not necessarily, depends on where you live. [/quote] On average, it takes them several minutes to get there, no matter the crime. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. [quote]Or you know, your gun might scare/aggrevate the robber, mugger, rapist, etc and now you're in a deeper shit than you were before.[/QUOTE] You've got a better fighting chance if you have a gun. If they have one pointed at you and you can get to yours, you won't hesitate to shoot. Even if you get shot, you may still hit them too. If they have a knife and you have a gun, they'll probably hesitate to stab you depending on the distance, but if they're close to you anyways you'll probably just shoot them, and if they're unarmed and you have a gun they'd be stupid to try anything. You're more likely to be able to play the situation to your advantage if you have a gun than to have it go worse for you.

I think every household should be encouraged to own firearms and to teach their children how to use them responsibly. Gun owners with police/military experience or certifiable training should receive a tax incentive for being prepared to defend the country in times of emergency. Schools should teach gun safety. [QUOTE=aydin690;32386947]Or you know, your gun might scare/aggrevate the robber, mugger, rapist, etc and now you're in a deeper shit than you were before.[/QUOTE] you should let yourself get raped, even if you have a gun wouldn't want to aggravate the rapist, no sir

IMO everyone should just get some goddamned tasers. Everybody wins.

[QUOTE=Dr. O;32387300]IMO everyone should just get some goddamned tasers. Everybody wins.[/QUOTE] Tasers are [i]only[/i] useful if you plan on running away immediately or physically subduing the target. Otherwise, they will just stand back up like nothing happened.

A simple background check wouldn't hurt anyone, convicted criminals should not legally be able to obtain firearms. Only form of control that makes sense, making it difficult for people to get firearms to protect their families and property is absurd. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=aydin690;32386691]I think you're missing my point. Why would anyone need a gun? And i'm not looking for smart ass answers like "well, hunters need them lol".[/QUOTE] Guns prevent crimes and if people are dumb enough to attempt to break in someones house with the intention to steal or hurt the occuppants, they deserve to get shot, helps cut down on crime and if most people own guns then criminals will be too scared to commit crimes unless they have guns themselves.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32387332]A simple background check wouldn't hurt anyone, convicted criminals should not legally be able to obtain firearms. Only form of control that makes sense, making it difficult for people to get firearms to protect their families and property is absurd.[/QUOTE] See, that sounds like a good plan - but criminals are citizens too. And if an ex-con is planning on shooting someone, he's going to buy a gun illegally if he can't do it legally. And then, even if he uses it in justifiable self-defense, he's going back to prison anyway for illegal possession. Instead of cutting criminals off from society in any way we can, we should go about overhauling our prison system so that our ex-cons don't need or feel inclined to return to a criminal lifestyle. As it is, if you go to federal prison, crime is the only way to really make money once you get out.

I'm fine with the possession of firearms, and I agree with Sector 7's post. We should have mandatory background checks, and instead of just teaching people, "GUNS ARE EVIL" we should have gun education courses given to students in late middle school or early highschool (7th Grade - 10th Grade?) which teach them the operations of a firearm and safety precautions..

In my opinion, gun laws should be far more strict. But let's just ask a rhetorical question: Do you even need guns? Because if criminals don't have guns, you don't need guns in the first place to defend yourself. I have seen people using the argument "even if you ban guns criminals will get guns" really often. I am pretty sure a one-time gas station robber couldn't be able to get a gun to commit that crime, since they are illegal/very hard to get, and I somehow doubt that petty robber would go find a weapon smuggler for himself or buy one from the black market. Here, in Hungary, crimes committed with the use of guns make national news, since they are that rare.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;32387481] I have seen people using the argument "even if you ban guns criminals will get guns" get used really often. I am pretty sure a one-time gas station robber couldn't be able to get a gun to commit that crime, [B]since they are illegal/very hard to get[/B], and I somehow doubt that petty robber would go find a weapon smuggler for himself or buy one from the black market. [/QUOTE] Hungary is not the US. Its disturbingly easy to get illegal firearms here, and no amount of legislation will change that.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;32387501]Hungary is not the US. Its disturbingly easy to get illegal firearms here, and no amount of legislation will change that.[/QUOTE] Same here in Canada, and they're often cheaper than legal guns because the "importer" didn't have to pay ridiculous shipping fees to get them across the border, and yet we still have stupid gun laws that don't list self-defense as a valid reason for firearm possession.