Audi to build an electric Q5 (SUV) after Tesla poached the SUV’s production director - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Last year, Audi announced it’s first all-electric vehicle, the e-tron quatro, a luxury SUV expected to fit between the Q5 and Q7, and therefore, it will likely change its name to Q6 once it will enter production at the company’s plant in Brussels starting in 2018. Now we learn that the automaker is also planning an electric version of the Q5, which should go into production at the company’s new factory in Mexico. At the moment, the Q5 is manufactured in Ingolstadt, Germany, Audi’s hometown, and exported globally. Until recently, the entire production of Q5, which is the automaker’s best-selling SUV, was managed by Peter Hochholdinger, Senior Director of Manufacturing, but last month, Tesla poached the veteran automotive executive to lead the production plan of the Tesla Model 3 at the Fremont Factory. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://electrek.co/2016/06/17/audi-electric-q5-tesla-production-director/"]Source[/URL]

One has to wonder what the knock-on effect this will have to big oil now that all major car manufacturers are either considering or planning to jump into this, like here in the West fuel demand will have to go down once the electric car starts to replace more ice cars. Auto sales themselves haven't been explosive, many people are replacing cars instead of buying more

[QUOTE=Sableye;50539620]One has to wonder what the knock-on effect this will have to big oil now that all major car manufacturers are either considering or planning to jump into this, like here in the West fuel demand will have to go down once the electric car starts to replace more ice cars. Auto sales themselves haven't been explosive, many people are replacing cars instead of buying more[/QUOTE] And it is for the better,fuck fossil fuel.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;50539626]And it is for the better,fuck fossil fuel.[/QUOTE] All the better for me and my hotrods, then. More, cheaper gas for my V8s, you lot get your E-motors, we all win.

[QUOTE=TestECull;50541181]All the better for me and my hotrods, then. More, cheaper gas for my V8s, you lot get your E-motors, we all win.[/QUOTE] we get it

[QUOTE=TestECull;50541181]All the better for me and my hotrods, then. More, cheaper gas for my V8s, you lot get your E-motors, we all win.[/QUOTE] Nah, they're going to fuck you over and charge you more with the reason that there's less demand so they need to charge more to make up the difference

[QUOTE=TestECull;50541181]All the better for me and my hotrods, then. More, cheaper gas for my V8s, you lot get your E-motors, we all win.[/QUOTE] Is this going to be the new "we get it, you vape"?

[QUOTE=Dr.C;50541232]Nah, they're going to fuck you over and charge you more with the reason that there's less demand so they need to charge more to make up the difference[/QUOTE] Expect rioting then. I really don't expect the whole world to turn to electric in even 10 years just because there are brands switching to EV. Theres probably more people who can't even begin to think about buying an EV, than there are people who can buy one. Even the cheapest Tesla for example, here, would probably cost more than a brand new Audi A4. Not to mention that almost pretty much everything else on the road still requires fuel.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50541299]Expect rioting then. I really don't expect the whole world to turn to electric in even 10 years just because there are brands switching to EV. Theres probably more people who can't even begin to think about buying an EV, than there are people who can buy one. Even the cheapest Tesla for example, here, would probably cost more than a brand new Audi A4. Not to mention that almost pretty much everything else on the road still requires fuel.[/QUOTE] Audi's site says the 2017 A4 MSRP is $37,500. The Tesla Model 3 will start at $35,000 and has various incentives depending on where you live.

[QUOTE=Morgen;50541369]Audi's site says the 2017 A4 MSRP is $37,500. The Tesla Model 3 will start at $35,000 and has various incentives depending on where you live.[/QUOTE] It's 40.000 euros for the base model A4 here. Even if I earned 1000 euros a month and saved every single penny out of that money, I'd need about 4 years to buy a car like that. And that's the base model. Now, imagine when you have water and electrical bills, land tax or whatever you'd call that twice a year, disposables like food, fueling and maintenance for your vehicles(you will get nowhere without any kind of vehicle), yearly vehicle stamp tax according to displacement and mandatory inspection, cable/internet/phone service provider bills, while earning 600 euros a month, maybe 700. Most people can't even buy a 10.000 euros used car because of how much they have to spend every month, let alone buy a brand new base model of just about any brand that doesn't offers cars that could be lifted by two teenagers and still burden you with roll up and down windows. My parents for example bought an A3 tdi 110hp from 15 years ago, and that is the most powerful and biggest luxury we've ever had as a car. And it was a bit expensive aswell. For example, the performance cars you can buy in America, like for example the newest Camaro that starts out at $25.000, would probably cost $60.000 or more here. Heck, the Camaros I can find here, ranging from 2010 to 2011, all cost 60.000 euros for example. For 36.000 euros (it isn't $35.000 I know, but eh), you could buy a Benz CLA 180 CDI AMG line from 2015 with 7000km with just 109hp. The only people who buy stuff like this are the definition of "people with money who don't have to count pennies at the end of the month"

[QUOTE=Dr.C;50541232]Nah, they're going to fuck you over and charge you more with the reason that there's less demand so they need to charge more to make up the difference[/QUOTE] Not really, if you raised prices on something that has little to no demand even less people would want to buy it.

you don't need lots of money to drive a nice car with pcp

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50541527]It's 40.000 euros for the base model A4 here. Even if I earned 1000 euros a month and saved every single penny out of that money, I'd need about 4 years to buy a car like that. And that's the base model. Now, imagine when you have water and electrical bills, land tax or whatever you'd call that twice a year, disposables like food, fueling and maintenance for your vehicles(you will get nowhere without any kind of vehicle), yearly vehicle stamp tax according to displacement and mandatory inspection, cable/internet/phone service provider bills, while earning 600 euros a month, maybe 700. Most people can't even buy a 10.000 euros used car because of how much they have to spend every month, let alone buy a brand new base model of just about any brand that doesn't offers cars that could be lifted by two teenagers and still burden you with roll up and down windows. My parents for example bought an A3 tdi 110hp from 15 years ago, and that is the most powerful and biggest luxury we've ever had as a car. And it was a bit expensive aswell. For example, the performance cars you can buy in America, like for example the newest Camaro that starts out at $25.000, would probably cost $60.000 or more here. Heck, the Camaros I can find here, ranging from 2010 to 2011, all cost 60.000 euros for example. For 36.000 euros (it isn't $35.000 I know, but eh), you could buy a Benz CLA 180 CDI AMG line from 2015 with 7000km with just 109hp. The only people who buy stuff like this are the definition of "people with money who don't have to count pennies at the end of the month"[/QUOTE] I don't know what country you are from so I don't know the specifics of it. The average new car sale price in the US is about $33,500 or so iirc, so it should be in range of the average earners in the US. After a few years you can probably buy it pre owned for half the price. The Model 3 is a 3rd generation vehicle that makes it available to average earners in the US and most of western Europe's average earners. We need a 4th generation EV to get sub $20,000 decent ones.

the model 3 with subsidy will probs go out for about £270-350/mo

We have a lot, lot more uses available for petroleum than burning it up in cars. Means we'll have oil left for other uses, for a lot longer than we'd normally have.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;50541624]the model 3 with subsidy will probs go out for about £270-350/mo[/QUOTE] You can get the Model S 60 on a 24 month 10,000 mile PCP contract for £318 a month and a £16,134 down payment. Personally I've never been a fan of PCP contracts though.

[QUOTE=Morgen;50541611]I don't know what country you are from so I don't know the specifics of it. The average new car sale price in the US is about $33,500 or so iirc, so it should be in range of the average earners in the US. After a few years you can probably buy it pre owned for half the price. The Model 3 is a 3rd generation vehicle that makes it available to average earners in the US and most of western Europe's average earners. We need a 4th generation EV to get sub $20,000 decent ones.[/QUOTE] Portugal. Where the cheapest used EV cars start at 9.000 euros, and are made up of iMievs and their Citroen and Peugeot counterparts, and Leafs. Oh and I did find a used Model S 85 with 100.000km. It costs 70.000 euros....

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50541701]Portugal. Where the cheapest used EV cars start at 9.000 euros, and are made up of iMievs and their Citroen and Peugeot counterparts, and Leafs. Oh and I did find a used Model S 85 with 100.000km. It costs 70.000 euros....[/QUOTE] Tesla don't officially support Portugal (or Spain) so any Tesla's there are unofficially imported. Though Musk said they will support Portugal relatively soon. They just started opening up chargers in Spain. [media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/730595677936324608[/media] [video=youtube;IzcDGcIEVBY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzcDGcIEVBY[/video]

[QUOTE=Morgen;50541737]Tesla don't officially support Portugal (or Spain) so any Tesla's there are unofficially imported. Though Musk said they will support Portugal relatively soon. They just started opening up chargers in Spain. [media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/730595677936324608[/media] [video=youtube;IzcDGcIEVBY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzcDGcIEVBY[/video][/QUOTE] Huh thats nice actually. Still, prices are gonna be hefty for anyone who counts the pennies every month... They always are :suicide:

[QUOTE=Morgen;50541670]You can get the Model S 60 on a 24 month 10,000 mile PCP contract for £318 a month and a £16,134 down payment. Personally I've never been a fan of PCP contracts though.[/QUOTE] if you always want a new car and like to budget it does make sense, also means you don't own a depreciating asset and the leasing company take on the risk of ownership

[QUOTE=TestECull;50541181]All the better for me and my hotrods, then. More, cheaper gas for my V8s, you lot get your E-motors, we all win.[/QUOTE] When later on oil becomes less and less profitable to process due to everything being electrical, it will become more rare, and, therefore, more expensive. Kek.

[QUOTE=nikomo;50541659]We have a lot, lot more uses available for petroleum than burning it up in cars. Means we'll have oil left for other uses, for a lot longer than we'd normally have.[/QUOTE] While this is true, let's hope that Musk's other venture with SolarCity starts putting an end to that too.

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;50543514]When later on oil becomes less and less profitable to process due to everything being electrical, it will become more rare, and, therefore, more expensive. Kek.[/QUOTE] Expect that to happen only when more than half the vehicles anywhere are EVs. I really don't know why everyone keeps forgetting the "less than average Joe's". We really can't afford brand new cars of any price, unless they rival the confort of a prison.

[QUOTE=Badballer;50543530]While this is true, let's hope that Musk's other venture with SolarCity starts putting an end to that too.[/QUOTE] SolarCity are doing fairly well. Working on their Gigafactory to produce solar panels in New York. They are some of the most efficient and cost effective consumer panels in mass production. Though I don't think Solarcity has much effect on petroleum consumption, very few power plants really use oil to produce power anymore. Now other fossil fuels like coal and gas they will definitely have a big impact on reducing consumption of those eventually. Out of Musk's ventures I think Tesla will have a much bigger impact on the reduction of oil usage. Right now Tesla are working on passenger vehicles, they are going to do something with mass transportation as well (probably self driving cars on demand I guess?). Probably move on to the electrification of trucks in the early 2020s. After trucks I think Tesla might move onto electrification of commercial airliners, both Musk and JB Straubel (CTO of Tesla) are very interested in electric planes and actually met with JB trying to get Musk to invest in the idea. Musk has publicly stated he has some big ideas for that but admitted that the energy density of batteries isn't quite there for it yet. [editline]18th June 2016[/editline] In Iron Man he was being serious :v: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOVHoi1p40&t=1m35s[/url]

[QUOTE=nikomo;50541659]We have a lot, lot more uses available for petroleum than burning it up in cars. Means we'll have oil left for other uses, for a lot longer than we'd normally have.[/QUOTE] it really depends. Gasoline does have to come out of oil at some point, but since its also always in high demand, refineries are more selective towards it. If the demand for gasoline went down year after year, refineries would start to be more selective towards other things like LP and other feedstock products. Gasoline itself isn't used for much other than fuel while a lot of other products pulled from oil refining are used as feedstock for virtually everything