Sanders "reopens Dem primary wounds" - Polidicks

[URL="http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/317770-sanders-reopens-dem-primary-wounds"]http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/317770-sanders-reopens-dem-primary-wounds[/URL] [QUOTE]Sanders’s recent swipe against former Vice President Joe Biden has angered Democratic party officials, who are accusing the onetime Democratic presidential candidate of refighting a bitter primary season that ripped the party in two. The independent senator from Vermont has also infuriated supporters of Tom Perez, a top contender for Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairman, after an unprovoked attack against the former Labor secretary. Sanders, who backs Perez rival Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) for DNC chairman, has shaken up a race that has until now featured few fireworks. The DNC campaign changed this week after Biden endorsed Perez for chairman. Sanders let loose, saying that it’s time to move beyond the “failed status-quo approach” of Biden and Perez. The remark has elicited a furious response from Perez’s supporters, who accuse Sanders of relitigating his Democratic primary fight with Hillary Clinton when the party needs to unite behind a new leader. Sanders's critics are firing back, noting that he isn't even a member of the Democratic Party. “It is very concerning that Bernie Sanders is so intent on taking over a party that he’s not even a member of that he’d insult the beloved vice president — and really the president — about a failed status quo approach,” said Texas Democratic chairman Gilberto Hinojosa, a Perez supporter and one of 447 DNC members who will vote in late February to elect the next chairman. “This is coming from a man who is not even a member of our party,” Hinojosa continued. “We lost an election and all of a sudden we’re all a part of a failed status quo? When he puts Joe Biden and Tom Perez in this category and paints with a broad brush he insults all of us. This is an election between loyal, qualified Democrats who love our party and the country. There’s no need for him to lower himself to that level.” Sanders’s statement was emailed from his political account and did not come from Ellison’s campaign for DNC chairman. A spokesman for Sanders has not returned a request for comment. The seven major candidates for DNC chairman have agreed not to attack one another and have largely kept to that promise. But Democrats involved with the race have been frustrated by press reports characterizing the contest as a proxy battle between the party’s leftist Sanders wing, represented by Ellison, and a more moderate Barack Obama-Clinton wing, represented by Perez. Ellison has run as a unity candidate, framing himself as someone who can bridge the divide. While he has support from figures on the left, like Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), he has also garnered endorsements from more establishment figures like Senate Democratic leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.).[/QUOTE] (Note - This is part of article, You got read rest in article itself)

[quote]The remark has elicited a furious response from Perez’s supporters, who accuse Sanders of relitigating his Democratic primary fight with Hillary Clinton when the party needs to unite behind a new leader. [/quote] Read 'reunite behind a new leader of our choosing'. Fuck you, you've had your chance and blew it SPECTACULARLY. Your candidate lost against one of the most unpopular Republican candidates ever and you fuckers only deepen the rift between the sides.

Biden would have won the election easily. He'd have a vastly better chance than Sanders or Hillary would have had, not being some satanic witch woman with a bunch of baggage like Hillary and not being some evil socialist monster with a weird past like Bernie. GOP had a lot of attack material for both Sanders and Hillary, but they'd have to really try hard to fool people into hating Biden. He'd have the trust of the minority vote that Hillary had and the down to earth, white working class appeal Bernie had. He didn't run because his son had died from cancer, and so then we're stuck with the darkest timeline.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;51776545]Read 'reunite behind a new leader of our choosing'. Fuck you, you've had your chance and blew it SPECTACULARLY. Your candidate lost against one of the most unpopular Republican candidates ever and you fuckers only deepen the rift between the sides.[/QUOTE] That's a total repeat of what they said during and after the primary.

The fuckers don't seem to get it. [i]If you couldn't win this election, how are you going to win any other election?[/i]

Sanders is kinda right though, stop repeating the same ol' with the same type of candidates and get on with the times. [QUOTE]Sanders's critics are firing back, noting that he isn't even a member of the Democratic Party.[/QUOTE] Also lol, maybe he isn't a member anymore because you fuckshits fucked up so he felt he need to make a statement. It's a wound allright, but it's not a wound that should just be patched up and forgotten, but treated with care and with regards to the current political climate and consequence of the whole farce regarding Hillary Clinton. It should not be swept under the carpet and forgotten, but constantly remembered so it'll never happen again.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51776555]Biden would have won the election easily. He'd have a vastly better chance than Sanders or Hillary would have had, not being some satanic witch woman with a bunch of baggage like Hillary and not being some evil socialist monster with a [B]weird past[/B] like Bernie. GOP had a lot of attack material for both Sanders and Hillary, but they'd have to really try hard to fool people into hating Biden. He'd have the trust of the minority vote that Hillary had and the down to earth, white working class appeal Bernie had. He didn't run because his son had died from cancer, and so then we're stuck with the darkest timeline.[/QUOTE][emphasis mine] I think I need some details here. As far as I can tell, Sanders is just about the most consistent politician I've ever seen, so the amount of [I]actual[/I] issues I've seen brought against him has been zero afaict.

How are these leaders SO FUCKING DENSE.

Kill the DNC

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51776555]Biden would have won the election easily. He'd have a vastly better chance than Sanders or Hillary would have had, not being some satanic witch woman with a bunch of baggage like Hillary and not being some evil socialist monster with a weird past like Bernie. GOP had a lot of attack material for both Sanders and Hillary, but they'd have to really try hard to fool people into hating Biden. He'd have the trust of the minority vote that Hillary had and the down to earth, white working class appeal Bernie had. He didn't run because his son had died from cancer, and so then we're stuck with the darkest timeline.[/QUOTE] the only Democrats i can even think of who wouldn't have won the election are Hillary (duh) and Tim Kaine. literally any other contender wouldn't have fucked up as hard as she did [editline]4th February[/editline] Ellison, Perez, Schumer, Buttigieg, Gabbard, any of these people would have had it in the bag

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51776555]Biden would have won the election easily. He'd have a vastly better chance than Sanders or Hillary would have had, not being some satanic witch woman with a bunch of baggage like Hillary and not being some evil socialist monster with a weird past like Bernie. GOP had a lot of attack material for both Sanders and Hillary, but they'd have to really try hard to fool people into hating Biden. He'd have the trust of the minority vote that Hillary had and the down to earth, white working class appeal Bernie had. He didn't run because his son had died from cancer, and so then we're stuck with the darkest timeline.[/QUOTE] Sure in your alternate history, if was Biden vs Sanders primary it maybe tie (in superdelegates) cause how both popular (centrism status quo insider who only know his existance just because he now former vice president vs left wing outsider populist) and ether biden or sanders will have fight through in DNC and both them can beat Trump or Cruz.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51776573][emphasis mine] I think I need some details here. As far as I can tell, Sanders is just about the most consistent politician I've ever seen, so the amount of [I]actual[/I] issues I've seen brought against him has been zero afaict.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/5os7nx/a_final_response_to_bernie_would_have_won/[/url] Completely sourced with all the info you need. I like Sanders too, but let's not be ignorant and say the GOP couldn't have found anything to dig up and smother him with. A lot of it is stuff that makes sense in context, but can be taken out of context to attack him. Hillary had the same type of stuff against her: in context it made sense, but out of context it can be twisted (e.g. her "laughing" while being defence attorney of a rapist. She was laughing because she thought his appeal was ridiculous and knew no one would take it seriously, but of course it's twisted to be "Laughing she set him free" [she didn't]) Sadly context doesn't matter a lot of the time, as long as they can factually claim something happened, and it can be painted in a negative light, it's considered good dirty attack material. I'm not saying Bernie COULDN'T have won, but I am saying Biden would've had a better chance than Bernster.

I find it laughable they say he isn't part of the democratic party, yet he has a leadership role in the fucking democratic party. Idiots.

[quote]We lost an election and all of a sudden we’re all a part of a failed status quo?[/quote] Well yeah

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51776555]Biden would have won the election easily. He'd have a vastly better chance than Sanders or Hillary would have had, not being some satanic witch woman with a bunch of baggage like Hillary and not being some evil socialist monster with a weird past like Bernie. GOP had a lot of attack material for both Sanders and Hillary, but they'd have to really try hard to fool people into hating Biden. He'd have the trust of the minority vote that Hillary had [B]and the down to earth, white working class appeal Bernie had.[/B] He didn't run because his son had died from cancer, and so then we're stuck with the darkest timeline.[/QUOTE] This is a joke, right? [editline]4th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;51776596]the only Democrats i can even think of who wouldn't have won the election are Hillary (duh) and Tim Kaine. literally any other contender wouldn't have fucked up as hard as she did [editline]4th February[/editline] Ellison, Perez, Schumer, Buttigieg, Gabbard, any of these people would have had it in the bag[/QUOTE] Yeah. Keith Ellison sure would have won over the working class white vote.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51776619][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/5os7nx/a_final_response_to_bernie_would_have_won/[/url] Completely sourced with all the info you need. I like Sanders too, but let's not be ignorant and say the GOP couldn't have found anything to dig up and smother him with. A lot of it is stuff that makes sense in context, but can be taken out of context to attack him. Hillary had the same type of stuff against her: in context it made sense, but out of context it can be twisted (e.g. her "laughing" while being defence attorney of a rapist. She was laughing because she thought his appeal was ridiculous and knew no one would take it seriously, but of course it's twisted to be "Laughing she set him free" [she didn't]) Sadly context doesn't matter a lot of the time, as long as they can factually claim something happened, and it can be painted in a negative light, it's considered good dirty attack material. I'm not saying Bernie COULDN'T have won, but I am saying Biden would've had a better chance than Bernster.[/QUOTE] You are textbook example of Democratic Party loyalist judging linking an reddit group of literally group background portayed all currrent democratic party politicans as queens, richmens and yea some CTR links in group box.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51776619][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/5os7nx/a_final_response_to_bernie_would_have_won/[/url] Completely sourced with all the info you need. I like Sanders too, but let's not be ignorant and say the GOP couldn't have found anything to dig up and smother him with. A lot of it is stuff that makes sense in context, but can be taken out of context to attack him. Hillary had the same type of stuff against her: in context it made sense, but out of context it can be twisted (e.g. her "laughing" while being defence attorney of a rapist. She was laughing because she thought his appeal was ridiculous and knew no one would take it seriously, but of course it's twisted to be "Laughing she set him free" [she didn't]) Sadly context doesn't matter a lot of the time, as long as they can factually claim something happened, and it can be painted in a negative light, it's considered good dirty attack material. I'm not saying Bernie COULDN'T have won, but I am saying Biden would've had a better chance than Bernster.[/QUOTE] Oh boy, an Anti-Sanders subreddit pushing an Anti-Sanders agenda using skewed and vague misrepresented articles. The saddest part is the essays they post with out of context quotes from them without understanding the meanings or purposes of the essays.

[QUOTE] “We lost an election and all of a sudden we’re all a part of a failed status quo? When he puts Joe Biden and Tom Perez in this category and paints with a broad brush he insults all of us. This is an election between loyal, qualified Democrats who love our party and the country. There’s no need for him to lower himself to that level.”[/QUOTE] First off, fuck you for speaking for me you corporate shill fucks. Secondly, fuck you for assuming I want Perez. I don't want him at all he can fuck right off. Third, and finally, FUCK YOU for being so fucking DENSE.

Far-left (economic) populism is the future of the American Left. The DNC and their corporate-friendly, neoliberal policies have failed us, and their bullshit and failure to embrace change has saddled us with one of the biggest turds ever as our President. It's obvious, I'm honestly not sure why the DNC has such a hard time figuring out that they're on the wrong side of history here.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51776680]Oh boy, an Anti-Sanders subreddit pushing an Anti-Sanders agenda using skewed and vague misrepresented articles. The saddest part is the essays they post with out of context quotes from them without understanding the meanings or purposes of the essays.[/QUOTE] The point they're trying to make is that those out of context quotes could [I]easily[/I] be misconstrued in the general election. And they're very right about that. There's a lot of ad hominem attacks against Bernie that could've been very effective - but we'll never know, since they'll never happen. That post had a number of good points that could've really, really crashed Bernie. But who knows - there was similar dirt on Trump and it barely hurt him at all. It's not really worth thinking about now, since it's not reality anymore.

Holy fuck that reddits comments read like cancer. American democrats are fucked. You guys are never going to get your act together to oppose Trump. If that's the level of thoughtful discourse, it's just a joke. It's like a "Right vs Left" fight but worse and just "Left vs left"

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51776726]First off, fuck you for speaking for me you corporate shill fucks. Secondly, fuck you for assuming I want Perez. I don't want him at all he can fuck right off. Third, and finally, FUCK YOU for being so fucking DENSE.[/QUOTE] They kinda don't speak for you anyway, going by your flagdog.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51776619][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/5os7nx/a_final_response_to_bernie_would_have_won/[/url] Completely sourced with all the info you need. I like Sanders too, but let's not be ignorant and say the GOP couldn't have found anything to dig up and smother him with. A lot of it is stuff that makes sense in context, but can be taken out of context to attack him. Hillary had the same type of stuff against her: in context it made sense, but out of context it can be twisted (e.g. her "laughing" while being defence attorney of a rapist. She was laughing because she thought his appeal was ridiculous and knew no one would take it seriously, but of course it's twisted to be "Laughing she set him free" [she didn't]) Sadly context doesn't matter a lot of the time, as long as they can factually claim something happened, and it can be painted in a negative light, it's considered good dirty attack material. I'm not saying Bernie COULDN'T have won, but I am saying Biden would've had a better chance than Bernster.[/QUOTE] And Biden wouldn't have any problems with his past (He could have had every Obama choice + anything in his past tossed at him)? Biden would suddenly appeal to voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania by being a different face peddling the same solutions they rejected from Clinton? Your link likes to pretend Sanders wasn't addressing these people's problems - but he undeniably was. If anything, we've already seen that a massively unpopular candidate was able to do well against Trump, so even if we assume Sanders would have been smeared to unpopularity (I'm not sure he would've been as unpopular as Clinton), at least he would've have a message that still resonated to counteract some of that. How about 'Enough Establishment Bullshit?'

Does everyone not remember that after the election, Sanders did a town hall in Kenosha, Wisconsin? A question was asked in a room of majority Trump supporters: Would you have voted Sanders had it been him vs Trump. Every fucking person in the room raised their hand.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51776653]Yeah. Keith Ellison sure would have won over the working class white vote.[/QUOTE] well i mean [URL="http://time.com/4643955/keith-ellison-democrat-dnc/"]yeah[/URL] [QUOTE]The choice between the white working class and people of color is a false one. Hardworking Americans of all backgrounds are being left behind. In my district, which is 63% white, people in the African-American area of North Minneapolis want the same things for their families as those in mostly white working class suburbs. This is true across our country, not just in my hometown.[/QUOTE] the whole message of this election was that working class voters don't care about race or sexuality or any of that, and it's just as dumb to rely on them caring ("i'm a woman vote for me") as it is to accuse them of caring ("they won't vote for me because i'm a woman"). one way or another they just want someone who can honestly help them. no reason why Keith Ellison can't have been that someone.

Good. The DNC needs to be purged of all these corporatist fucks who are the real reason Trump won.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51776750]They kinda don't speak for you anyway, going by your flagdog.[/QUOTE] Wow its almost as if I've said many times that I live abroad in canada as a US citizen.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51776726]First off, fuck you for speaking for me you corporate shill fucks. Secondly, fuck you for assuming I want Perez. I don't want him at all he can fuck right off. Third, and finally, FUCK YOU for being so fucking DENSE.[/QUOTE] I don't think they're being dense. I think they're trying to hold on to their high paying jobs and status because if they don't have value to the corporations, they're not going to receive their money anymore. Becoming anti-corporatist still causes them to lose out on that corporate money as if they were unemployed.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51776810]Wow its almost as if I've said many times that I live abroad in canada as a US citizen.[/QUOTE] I missed that lol my bad

[QUOTE=Cone;51776797]well i mean [URL="http://time.com/4643955/keith-ellison-democrat-dnc/"]yeah[/URL] the whole message of this election was that working class voters don't care about race or sexuality or any of that, and it's just as dumb to rely on them caring ("i'm a woman vote for me") as it is to accuse them of caring ("they won't vote for me because i'm a woman"). one way or another they just want someone who can honestly help them. no reason why Keith Ellison can't have been that someone.[/QUOTE] Am I supposed to be surprised that there is a Democrat representative from urban Minnesota? That city is extremely liberal. Ellison's presence there means nothing. North Minnesota is not the demographic Hillary needed to win. She needed suburban/small town Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania. Also, as whites grow closer to becoming a minority in the US, we will start voting more and more as a bloc. This shift is already happening as you can see which party gains more and more of the white vote each election. Finally, if you think running further to the left is a winning strategy then you're in for a rough 8 years. A Biden-type candidate would have won had he been the nominee, not a Bernie-type.