As the economy improves, divorce rates increase as people can afford to split up again. - Polidicks

[img]http://www.trbimg.com/img-5239d82d/turbine/la-fi-mo-divorce-increases-as-improving-econom-001/600[/img] [i]Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Mark Juhas handles divorce and other family law cases in a downtown courtroom.[/i] [quote]The improving economy and booming housing market have prompted an unexpected result: More people are getting divorced. It's not that money necessarily leads to unhappiness. Instead, the recession caused many couples to stay together because their homes were underwater or one or both parties were out of work, said Debra Schoenberg, a San Francisco divorce attorney. "Prior to the recession, a couple's home was one of their largest assets to divide," said Schoenberg, author of the newly released book, "Divorce in California: The Legal Process, Your Rights and What to Expect." "When the recession hit and home values plummeted, the couple had fewer assets. Divorcing resulted in greater financial losses. Now, however, the housing market has rebounded and interest rates are [close to] historical lows. Couples now have more wealth as they consider divorce, which lessens the financial impact."[/quote] [url]http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-divorce-increases-improving-economy-20130918,0,2176337.story[/url]

It's hard to see any benefits in marriage nowadays.

[QUOTE]With the economy improving, divorcing parties can now split a profit from a home that was worthless a few years ago, Schoenberg said.[/QUOTE] So its about housing prices. Maybe conservative traditionalist have an incentive to make the economy shitty.

pretty much the only reason my parents havent is because of money issues throughout their lives.

[QUOTE=gsp1995;42239364]It's hard to see any benefits in marriage nowadays.[/QUOTE] No benefits for the man, full benefits for the woman

[QUOTE=Lemonator;42239384]No benefits for the man, full benefits for the woman[/QUOTE] I can see where this post is leading, and it is not looking pretty.

At least the housing market is still a buyers one....

[QUOTE=gsp1995;42239364]It's hard to see any benefits in marriage nowadays.[/QUOTE] Other than being the foundational building block of society.

[QUOTE=gsp1995;42239364]It's hard to see any benefits in marriage nowadays.[/QUOTE] Apart from the whole love thing, but the commodity market for it is down the pan these days...

[QUOTE=Camundongo;42239414]Apart from the whole love thing, but the commodity market for it is down the pan these days...[/QUOTE] You don't really need marriage to have a loving relationship.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;42239414]Apart from the whole love thing, but the commodity market for it is down the pan these days...[/QUOTE] You can show love and commitment without marrying someone. Most relationships you have will degrade over time, and being stuck in one or having to buy your way out because you're married doesn't sound too good. One good thing out of it is I guess you stick together and support each other more with problems, but you should be doing that without marriage anyway.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42239417]You don't really need marriage to have a loving relationship.[/QUOTE] Never said you did, but everyone I know got who got married did it because they loved their spouse, nowt else.

[QUOTE=gsp1995;42239364]It's hard to see any benefits in marriage nowadays.[/QUOTE] In the US, tax breaks, and some other stuff I'm not clear on 'cause I've never really looked into it. I know in Canada though it doesn't matter since roommates get the same benefits after a certain time anyway (or so I've heard).

[QUOTE=Camundongo;42239429]Never said you did, but everyone I know got who got married did it because they loved their spouse, nowt else.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly sure that's the reason for most marriages. Then there's divorce because they don't love each other anymore, at least not enough to constitute sticking together.

this is why you don't just marry any old person. [QUOTE=gsp1995;42239364]It's hard to see any benefits in marriage nowadays.[/QUOTE] well, there are benefits for gay couples that doesn't just involve THOSE couples but that's a genuinely different topic on its own but unless you want kids, or its TRULY, TRULY deep love, don't bother

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;42239460]The man will often get little to nothing out of a divorce though, especially if their wife happens to a bitch about it after the relationship falls through. That is what puts me off about it the most.[/QUOTE] Double standards solve nothing.

[QUOTE=Lukeo;42239441]I'm fairly sure that's the reason for most marriages. Then there's divorce because they don't love each other anymore, at least not enough to constitute sticking together.[/QUOTE] That's probably why the love commodity market I mentioned is doing so badly really.

[QUOTE=Lemonator;42239384]No benefits for the man, full benefits for the woman[/QUOTE] Uh mind listing some, without listing generics like it allows both spouses to equavalise their incomes in terms of pensions and that there's an inherent benefit to women since they make less money on average. Aka some which are a direct benefit only to women as the gender. [QUOTE=LoLWaT?;42239460]The husband will often get little to nothing out of a divorce though, especially if their wife happens to a bitch about it after the relationship falls through. That is what puts me off about it the most. You really are taking a HUGE risk by getting married nowadays. [sp]And this is totally not from secondhand experience[/sp][/QUOTE] No, husbands often get little to nothing out of marriage, because they choose to due to various reasons. A lot of them like to be the good guy and act like it. Another thing to consider is, that the children will often continue to live with the mother so most husbands decide they don't want the place where they lived together and often put hands away at least partially from any payouts for the apartment|house. But overall, from what I see showing up at court fairly often is for the economic level of the guy drastically improving and the woman's drastically reducing. Sure the guy often looses a number of goods, but his often higher income, coupled with the fact the he often starts paying significantly less for children means he is brutally in the plus. Not always obviously, but often.

[QUOTE=gsp1995;42239364]It's hard to see any benefits in marriage nowadays.[/QUOTE] taxes its kind of stupid that the retard christians make their governments define human relationships tho

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;42239546] I wonder what was done differently way back in the past then. [/QUOTE] Probably cause it was more frowned upon to get divorced. Also that you just kinda stayed in the marriage cause you're "supposed to". I actually know (old) people who stay in marriages for reasons as stupid as these.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42239402]Other than being the foundational building block of society.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure why so many people disagreed with this. The family, which is marked by marriage in almost every case, is unarguably the most foundational unit in society. Studies have shown time and time again that single parent households are absolutely horrible for the children in them.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42239690]Studies have shown time and time again that single parent households are absolutely horrible for the children in them.[/QUOTE] Which ones?

[QUOTE=sgman91;42239690]I'm not sure why so many people disagreed with this. The family, which is marked by marriage in almost every case, is unarguably the most foundational unit in society. Studies have shown time and time again that single parent households are absolutely horrible for the children in them.[/QUOTE] I would say a peaceful single-parent household is probably preferable to a turbulent two-parent household. Do you have anything to back up your assertion that a two-parent household is preferable in all (or even nearly all) cases?

[QUOTE=Megafan;42239821]I would say a peaceful single-parent household is probably preferable to a turbulent two-parent household. Do you have anything to back up your assertion that a two-parent household is preferable in all (or even nearly all) cases?[/QUOTE] Sure, let me find them and I'll post them up. Alright, here are some sources: 1) "It found that stepchildren and children with lone parents were most likely to be badly behaved. Fifteen per cent of stepchildren and 12 per cent of children with lone parents fell into this category, compared with six per cent living with both natural parents." - [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8064435/Children-in-single-parent-families-worse-behaved.html[/URL] That's over a 100% higher chance of misbehaving in a single parent or divorced household when compared to a steady two parent household. 2) "56% of jail inmates said they grew up in a single-parent household or with a guardian." - [URL]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pji02.pdf[/URL] Kids from single parent homes are very over represented in jail. Around 30% of homes were single parent in 2002. 3) "They found the risk of suicide was more than twice as high among children in one-parent households compared with those living with both parents." - [URL]http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030123/absent-parent-doubles-child-suicide-risk[/URL] 4) "Children in single-parent homes were also twice as likely to have a psychiatric disease, have alcohol-related problems, and were up to four times more likely to abuse drugs, says study researcher Gunilla Ringbäck Weitoft, MD, of the Centre for Epidemiology at the National Board of Health and Welfare in Stockholm, Sweden." - [URL]http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030123/absent-parent-doubles-child-suicide-risk[/URL] Basically, any negative statistic is high with people from single parent homes.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42239440] I know in Canada though it doesn't matter since roommates get the same benefits after a certain time anyway (or so I've heard).[/QUOTE] Totally dependant on provincial laws [url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/4-myths-about-common-law-relationships-1.1315129]here's a bag o' info[/url]

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[QUOTE=wraithcat;42239516]Uh mind listing some, without listing generics like it allows both spouses to equavalise their incomes in terms of pensions and that there's an inherent benefit to women since they make less money on average. Aka some which are a direct benefit only to women as the gender. [/QUOTE] Prenups often get thrown out because a woman usually can't support herself financially hundreds of true stories on the internet where the wife cheats, takes half, takes the house and gets child support because a prenup get thrown out

[QUOTE=sgman91;42239690]I'm not sure why so many people disagreed with this. The family, which is marked by marriage in almost every case, is unarguably the most foundational unit in society. Studies have shown time and time again that single parent households are absolutely horrible for the children in them.[/QUOTE] I'd say more or less the Tribe is the founding block of social structure, followed by marriage.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;42240677]I'd say more or less the Tribe is the founding block of social structure, followed by marriage.[/QUOTE] The tribe is an extension of the family. I would therefore argue that the family is more foundational. Not every society has tribes, but every society has families.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42239402]Other than being the foundational building block of society.[/QUOTE] No, the 'foundation' of society is teamwork; the global 'tribe' if you will. Families have had many forms over the years of human history, but it all just breaks down into people supporting each other; and Marriage is NOT a required part of that. [editline]18th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;42240065]Sure, let me find them and I'll post them up. Alright, here are some sources: 1) "It found that stepchildren and children with lone parents were most likely to be badly behaved. Fifteen per cent of stepchildren and 12 per cent of children with lone parents fell into this category, compared with six per cent living with both natural parents." - [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8064435/Children-in-single-parent-families-worse-behaved.html[/URL] That's over a 100% higher chance of misbehaving in a single parent or divorced household when compared to a steady two parent household. 2) "56% of jail inmates said they grew up in a single-parent household or with a guardian." - [URL]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pji02.pdf[/URL] Kids from single parent homes are very over represented in jail. Around 30% of homes were single parent in 2002. 3) "They found the risk of suicide was more than twice as high among children in one-parent households compared with those living with both parents." - [URL]http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030123/absent-parent-doubles-child-suicide-risk[/URL] 4) "Children in single-parent homes were also twice as likely to have a psychiatric disease, have alcohol-related problems, and were up to four times more likely to abuse drugs, says study researcher Gunilla Ringbäck Weitoft, MD, of the Centre for Epidemiology at the National Board of Health and Welfare in Stockholm, Sweden." - [URL]http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030123/absent-parent-doubles-child-suicide-risk[/URL] [QUOTE=sgman91;42240065] Basically, any negative statistic is high with people from single parent homes.[/QUOTE] 'Single parent home', which does not expressly imply Marriage. It's also significantly important to mention Correction does not imply causation. Being FROM a single parent home does not CAUSE you to have higher chances of have problems, as much as HAVING problems causes you to have a higher chance of making split homes. [editline]18th September 2013[/editline] edit is broken, sorry for the broken quote.