After earthquake and hurricane, and Trump's failure to send condolences, Mexico rescinds aid offer
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[quote]Mexico on Monday withdrew its offer of aid to the United States to help victims of Hurricane Harvey, saying those resources are now needed at home as Mexico recovers from a separate hurricane and a devastating earthquake.
Last month, as Hurricane Harvey flooded Houston with days of record-breaking rains, Mexico issued a statement [b]offering to send food, generators and medical aid to Texas “as good neighbors should always do in trying times.”[/b]
[b]Mexico offered help even as President Trump was attacking the country on Twitter,[/b] calling Mexico “one of the highest crime nations in the world” and reiterating his claim that Mexico will pay for construction of a border wall between the two nations.
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At least 95 people died in Thursday’s magnitude 8.1 earthquake, according to the Foreign Ministry, most of them in the southern Mexican states of Oaxaca and Chiapas. While aid has arrived in many of the hardest-hit regions, where thousands of homes were reduced to rubble, local media have reported that in some places, survivors are still waiting for help.
While authorities scrambled to dig victims from rubble and provide shelter to the homeless on Mexico’s southwestern coast, a Category 1 hurricane struck Mexico’s Gulf Coast on Saturday. At least two people were killed by Hurricane Katia, which was downgraded to a tropical storm shortly after making landfall, officials said.
[b]Trump did not offer condolences to Mexico after either disaster,[/b] as is common when tragedies befall U.S. allies, even as multiple American mayors and governors offered their sympathies and help. Nor did Trump offer U.S. aid to Mexico.[/quote]
[url=http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-aid-20170911-story.html]Source: The LA Times[/url]
Just more of Trump driving divides between ourselves and our closest neighbors and allies.
But they're just rapists, murderers and drug dealers, why would we care about them?
I wanted to post this article but it's not really news, but it fits here
[url]http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/11/donald-trump-us-mexico-relations-215594[/url]
Basically Trump is driving a rise in anti-American sentiment in Mexico, which is making it hard for the Mexican government to maintain friendly relations with the US. He's literally driving an ally away, and this could endanger cooperation on issues like drug trafficking, immigration and terrorism. The article argues that if Trump ends up killing NAFTA, Mexico will basically become hostile to the US as its politicians will need to show voters that they're standing up to Trump
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52673459]I wanted to post this article but it's not really news, but it fits here
[url]http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/11/donald-trump-us-mexico-relations-215594[/url]
Basically Trump is driving a rise in anti-American sentiment in Mexico, which is making it hard for the Mexican government to maintain friendly relations with the US. He's literally driving an ally away, and this could endanger cooperation on issues like drug trafficking, immigration and terrorism. The article argues that if Trump ends up killing NAFTA, Mexico will basically become hostile to the US.[/QUOTE]
maybe making them more hostile is his plan, inasmuch as he ever has one? not to say it wouldn't backfire hideously of course
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52673459]I wanted to post this article but it's not really news, but it fits here
[url]http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/11/donald-trump-us-mexico-relations-215594[/url]
Basically Trump is driving a rise in anti-American sentiment in Mexico, which is making it hard for the Mexican government to maintain friendly relations with the US. He's literally driving an ally away, and this could endanger cooperation on issues like drug trafficking, immigration and terrorism. The article argues that if Trump ends up killing NAFTA, Mexico will basically become hostile to the US.[/QUOTE]
I still can't believe that we might be living through the plot of the first machete movie.
they're sending their RAPIST generators, THEIR lifesaving DRUGS, THEIR MURDEROUS national guard.
Christ. Maybe Trump is trying to get out of building the wall by getting Mexicans to straight up hate us.
I hope these other leaders are at least understanding enough to realize that this is a Trump thing and not an American thing so that we can get back to doing things right once he's gone.
[QUOTE=c:;52673843]I hope these other leaders are at least understanding enough to realize that this is a Trump thing and not an American thing so that we can get back to doing things right once he's gone.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's as easy as that, Trump is hurting US relations in ways that will have long-lasting consequences and is not gonna just be forgotten about once he's out the white house. Unfortunately it's both a Trump and an American thing. I imagine it is atleast.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;52673795]Christ. Maybe Trump is trying to get out of building the wall by getting Mexicans to straight up hate us.[/QUOTE]
You think that's his plan? To piss off Mexico so much that they build a wall to keep the US out?
That would be pretty sick. As in [U]sick and twisted[/U], of course.
[QUOTE=c:;52673843]I hope these other leaders are at least understanding enough to realize that this is a Trump thing and not an American thing so that we can get back to doing things right once he's gone.[/QUOTE]
This might well be a Trump thing, but unfortunately, Trump is an american thing.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52673949]I don't think it's as easy as that, Trump is hurting US relations in ways that will have long-lasting consequences and is not gonna just be forgotten about once he's out the white house. Unfortunately it's both a Trump and an American thing. I imagine it is atleast.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I get the feeling that though most of the world will recognize that trump is not representative of all or even most Americans, that the fickleness of our political system, and the current status of our country's political discourse will likely tell other countries that the US is perhaps still an ally, but not a reliable or dependable one. Countries usually make pacts and agreements that are meant to stand for very long periods of time, if every 4 years the US decides to renege on those agreements, or change it's behavior and attitude drastically, that doesn't inspire confidence to make pacts or agreements with the US at all, or to count on the US to be there when times get tough.
[QUOTE=c:;52673843]I hope these other leaders are at least understanding enough to realize that this is a Trump thing and not an American thing so that we can get back to doing things right once he's gone.[/QUOTE]
America: not enduringly anti-humanist; not always so inept and narcissistic as to be lethal; frequently absent of spray-on tan; only rarely a Russian satellite-state.
your country has been damaged. as long as that damage exists, it [I]is[/I] an American thing.
Unfortunately it will be seen as "an american thing". There's no guarantee america won't elect another Trump in the future. And given how big an idiot he was during the campaign, and how bad he's been since, that's not very reassuring to the rest of the world. Even if he's not actually representative of a majority of americans, the damage is done.
[QUOTE=c:;52673843]I hope these other leaders are at least understanding enough to realize that this is a Trump thing and not an American thing so that we can get back to doing things right once he's gone.[/QUOTE]
Trump is the ultimate fruition of American values.
Ignorance, pettiness, vanity, and bigotry.
He's American as Apple pie.
These are the values that have prevailed and will continue to symbolize America in the future.
Trump is temporary. These values are permanent.
Ah, watching our nation's international relationships deteriorate with my own eyes.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52675685]Ah, watching our nation[del]'s international relationships[/del] deteriorate with my own eyes.[/QUOTE]
FTFY
It's very difficult to accurately convey the revulsion and disgust Trump inspires in me. It's the same feeling one would have finding a large cockroach in one's dinner, and not even using the word 'degenerate' adequately describes how much less than human this vermin is.
His supporters won't give a shit, either. They'll see this as a triumph of some sort.
[QUOTE=c:;52673843]I hope these other leaders are at least understanding enough to realize that this is a Trump thing and not an American thing so that we can get back to doing things right once he's gone.[/QUOTE]
This is an impossible wish because the American people put Trump in office, so they're the cause of the problems we're seeing now. At least, that's how individuals from other nations are going to view it.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52673949]I don't think it's as easy as that, Trump is hurting US relations in ways that will have long-lasting consequences and is not gonna just be forgotten about once he's out the white house. Unfortunately it's both a Trump and an American thing. I imagine it is atleast.[/QUOTE]
I fear this will be the momentum needed that leads to US isolationism as an unavoidable choice. The policy won't fix anything, it will further exasperate the inherent, deeply rooted problems in the country. Conflicting ideologies with no influence in geopolitics, or held back by the status quo. Will clash as spheres of influences while crammed together in the US.
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