• Norway's police fired two bullets last year
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[IMG]http://hs11.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/700/1305969342773?ts=967[/IMG] [QUOTE=the independent]Police in Norway fired their guns only twice last year – and no one was hurt – new statistics which reveal the country’s low level of gun use have shown. Norwegian officers drew their weapons just 42 times in 2014, the lowest number of times in the last 12 years. Only two people were killed in police shootings in the same period. The majority of Norway’s police, like forces in Britain, Ireland and Iceland, patrol unarmed and carry guns only under special circumstances. In the US, where officers are armed at all times, 547 people have been killed by police during the first six months of 2015 alone, 503 of them by gunshot. UK police have a similarly low rate of gun use to Norway. One person was fatally shot by British police in 2014. [b]In the first 24 days of 2015, US police shot and killed 59 people, which is more than police in England and Wales did in the last 24 years (55). With the difference in populations taken into account, US citizens are still around 100 times more likely to be shot by police than British citizens are.[/b][/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/norways-police-only-fired-two-bullets-last-year--and-no-one-died-10374662.html[/URL]
Also worth noting that [del]the police does not normally carry guns at all in Norway, not even in their cars.[/del] (turns out this has been changed) Weapons are only carried in special circumstances. You can see an officer with a gun on certain airports if there's been a terrorist threat for instance. The kings guard also carry guns, and the only time I've ever seen a handgun in Norway was when I was ~8 meters from the king and got some nice shots of his nose hair using my way too big telescopic lens. (I got in as a journalist just because i had a big lens. I wasn't a journalist)
Also worth noting the United States is home to over 300 million people. Of course the incidences of police shootings are going to be elevated compared to a nation with a far smaller population - there's more violent offenders threatening the lives of our officers. [sp]I'm still against the bullshit that's going on in the US, but I think making the comparison between the US and Norway and other foreign police forces is skewed because of the demographic differences.[/sp]
[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;48177447]Also worth noting the United States is home to over 300 million people. Of course the incidences of police shootings are going to be elevated compared to a nation with a far smaller population - there's more violent offenders threatening the lives of our officers. [sp]I'm still against the bullshit that's going on in the US, but I think making the comparison between the US and Norway and other foreign police forces is skewed because of the demographic differences.[/sp][/QUOTE] I somehow doubt that the US police only shot 120 bullets . [editline]11th July 2015[/editline] [quote]With the difference in populations taken into account, US citizens are still around 100 times more likely to be shot by police than British citizens are.[/quote] It's even in the OP
[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;48177447]Also worth noting the United States is home to over 300 million people. Of course the incidences of police shootings are going to be elevated compared to a nation with a far smaller population - there's more violent offenders threatening the lives of our officers. [sp]I'm still against the bullshit that's going on in the US, but I think making the comparison between the US and Norway and other foreign police forces is skewed because of the demographic differences.[/sp][/QUOTE] In a study adjusted for population size differences. Yes some European countries have a much more homogenous population but that doesn't magically mean that nothing can be learned from them,
[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;48177447]Also worth noting the United States is home to over 300 million people. Of course the incidences of police shootings are going to be elevated compared to a nation with a far smaller population - there's more violent offenders threatening the lives of our officers. [sp]I'm still against the bullshit that's going on in the US, but I think making the comparison between the US and Norway and other foreign police forces is skewed because of the demographic differences.[/sp][/QUOTE] [quote]With the difference in populations taken into account, US citizens are still around 100 times more likely to be shot by police than British citizens are.[/quote] You can compare smaller populations with larger ones and still come to conclusive evidence and legitimate differences between the two. This is literally statistical science 101. I really don't know why people keep making this argument every single time.
[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;48177447]Also worth noting the United States is home to over 300 million people. Of course the incidences of police shootings are going to be elevated compared to a nation with a far smaller population - there's more violent offenders threatening the lives of our officers. [sp]I'm still against the bullshit that's going on in the US, but I think making the comparison between the US and Norway and other foreign police forces is skewed because of the demographic differences.[/sp][/QUOTE] Yeah there's a lot of factors that makes this a silly thing to directly compare. Gun control works well in some countries, and Norway is an example of that. You're still allowed to own many kinds of guns if you're in a gun club or you do hunting, though. It working well in Norway [I]does not[/I] mean it would work well in the US though.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48177372]Also worth noting that the police does not normally carry guns at all in Norway, not even in their cars.[/QUOTE] They have been allowed to carry guns in their cars since October 2013. It should also be noted that since October 2014 they have been allowed to carry arms due to increased terrorist alert.
Guns and crime are not rampants in both countries. Perhaps they should also include the number of cops killed by fire arms each year two. Comparing the two countries police forces is about the same as comparing the way Iraqi police operate and the way U.S police do.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48177466]Yeah there's a lot of factors that makes this a silly thing to directly compare. Gun control works well in some countries, and Norway is an example of that. You're still allowed to own many kinds of guns if you're in a gun club or you do hunting, though. It working well in Norway [I]does not[/I] mean it would work well in the US though.[/QUOTE] AFAIK gun control works in all countries where it's used? [editline]11th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BusterBluth;48177485]Guns and crime are not rampants in both countries. Perhaps they should also include the number of cops killed by fire arms each year two. Comparing the two countries police forces is about the same as comparing the way Iraqi police operate and the way U.S police do.[/QUOTE] A comparison is never wrong, only the conclusions. Comparing your example yields how much the US police is militarized already.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48177485]Comparing the two countries police forces is about the same as comparing the way Iraqi police operate and the way U.S police do.[/QUOTE] No it's not the same because unlike Iraq, Norway isn't a war-torn developing country with rampant corruption
[QUOTE=Killuah;48177487]AFAIK gun control works in all countries where it's used? [/QUOTE] Works in Australia that's for sure.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48177487] A comparison is never wrong, only the conclusions. Comparing your example yields how much the US police is militarized already.[/QUOTE] Police militarized in the U.S is overstated, people make a big deal because they see disarmed military vehicles being used as riot or siege vehicles. And your comparing a country with very strict gun control to a country with very little gun control and using that to say "A lot more people are shot by police". Well no shit. [editline]11th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Antdawg;48177493]No it's not the same because unlike Iraq, Norway isn't a war-torn developing country with rampant corruption[/QUOTE] Norway's crime rate is much, much lower than the U.S, specifically in violent crime and murder. Your comparing two countries with totally different situations.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48177506]This is incorrect [editline]11th July 2015[/editline] "Fremskutt lagring" Both P30L and MP5 Notice how pretty much all police officers carry guns right now?[/QUOTE] Oh, this is new to me. But no I've not seen any police officers with guns, actually.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48177535] Norway's crime rate is much, much lower than the U.S, specifically in violent crime and murder. Your comparing two countries with totally different situations.[/QUOTE] 1) corrected for population sizes I'm willing to bet the US isn't that much more violent than Norway, like 95% of this country you can walk around outside without worrying about getting shot or robbed 2) you're basically saying since there's no place with an exact same situation as America we cannot take any of the lessons European countries have learned in curbing violent crime and gun crime and apply those lessons to the US. We have a problem and they don't maybe we should be looking at why they don't and see if we use some of their lessons on our problem, its not 1:1 but even a slight decrease is better than sitting on our hands complaining about it
[QUOTE=Sableye;48177612]1) corrected for population sizes I'm willing to bet the US isn't that much more violent than Norway, like 95% of this country you can walk around outside without worrying about getting shot or robbed[/QUOTE] I'm not so sure. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL] The US has 4.7 per 100 000 citizens per year. Norway has 2.2 (omitting the July 22nd 2011 attacks it is 0.6).
[QUOTE=paul simon;48177589]Oh, this is new to me. But no I've not seen any police officers with guns, actually.[/QUOTE] The reason is probably cause your police district has choicen not to do so. All the major cities (Oslo, Bergen, Stavanger, etc) do have police officers carring arms visible.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48177535]Police militarized in the U.S is overstated, people make a big deal because they see disarmed military vehicles being used as riot or siege vehicles. And your comparing a country with very strict gun control to a country with very little gun control and using that to say "A lot more people are shot by police". Well no shit. [/QUOTE] Yeah. No shit. Exactly.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48177612]1) corrected for population sizes I'm willing to bet the US isn't that much more violent than Norway, like 95% of this country you can walk around outside without worrying about getting shot or robbed 2) you're basically saying since there's no place with an exact same situation as America we cannot take any of the lessons European countries have learned in curbing violent crime and gun crime and apply those lessons to the US. We have a problem and they don't maybe we should be looking at why they don't and see if we use some of their lessons on our problem, its not 1:1 but even a slight decrease is better than sitting on our hands complaining about it[/QUOTE] That's exactly what murder/crime rates are, statistics about crime that are corrected for population. U.S towers above Norway on most areas of crime. And all I am saying is that the comparison is redundant.
Should be noted that Norway is [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/]#11 in the world for guns per capita[/url] with 1.4 million guns owned by civilians in the country [editline]11th July 2015[/editline] Found this for some comparative figures [t]http://imgkk.com/i/3c9u.jpg[/t] Figures for just 2014 are harder to come by but the number of fatal police shootings in the UK [url=http://www.inquest.org.uk/statistics/fatal-police-shootings]was one[/url]
This is one of the things Breivik wanted to prove a stupidity. Really dislike how the article compares US to other countries. It's so full of shit.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48177612]1) corrected for population sizes I'm willing to bet the US isn't that much more violent than Norway, like 95% of this country you can walk around outside without worrying about getting shot or robbed[/QUOTE] why do people not do even a lick of research before posting things like this
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48177818]and those 1,4 million are not counting the legally unregistered shotguns, which are estimated to be about 700 000. so over 2 million guns in a country of just above 5,1 million people, yet there is close to zero gun violence with legally acquired guns[/QUOTE] how do they manage to do it, it is an unsolvable conundrum
man such a peaceful place
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48177705]That's exactly what murder/crime rates are, statistics about crime that are corrected for population. U.S towers above Norway on most areas of crime. And all I am saying is that the comparison is redundant.[/QUOTE] No it's not? It shows us exactly that? That Norway is way better in pretty much all terms, OP subject included?
[QUOTE=Melnek;48177908]how do they manage to do it, it is an unsolvable conundrum[/QUOTE] Not really. It's just about requiring background checks and training before allowing people to buy firearms.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48177764]This is one of the things Breivik wanted to prove a stupidity. Really dislike how the article compares US to other countries. It's so full of shit.[/QUOTE] No it's not, clearly the US have got a lot problems with crime and are not handling it well. [QUOTE=BusterBluth;48177485]Guns and crime are not rampants in both countries. Perhaps they should also include the number of cops killed by fire arms each year two. Comparing the two countries police forces is about the same as comparing the way Iraqi police operate and the way U.S police do.[/QUOTE] "US police are faced with greater day-to-day violence than most developed countries. In 2013, 30 officers were fatally shot while on duty." Nobody is saying that these killings are police brutality, just that the US have got a big problem with violent crime and that they should start doing something about that.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;48178032]No it's not, clearly the US have got a lot problems with crime and are not handling it well. "US police are faced with greater day-to-day violence than most developed countries. In 2013, 30 officers were fatally shot while on duty." Nobody is saying that these killings are police brutality, just that the US have got a big problem with violent crime and that they should start doing something about that.[/QUOTE] would be hard to do much about it in certain problem areas. my city has the highest homicide rate in the south, averaging over 100 murders a year. our problem is the lack of police willing to work, because they get paid like shit. we also have a lack of homicide detectives, due to the pay as well. and the low pay is due to the low economy in the city and the state. it's a huge shame, but it's something that has to be dealt with in order to prevent the high homicide rate, and the amount of bullets discharged by our officers in our city.
If shots are fired, it means there is a present threat to lives of police officers or civilian and property. Usage of firearms should only be used as last resort in apprehending suspects and saving lives. Norway did a good job with restrain of firearms usage for their police force.
Norway doesn't have massive central american drug cartels and and all the violence that brings when they fight for territory and distribution does it. Anyways, what the fuck is militarized police? Normal people can own old soviet attack helicopter, tanks, and apcs, why does a glorified armored bank car freak you you guys out so much when the cops have it
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