11 countries sign TPP successor trade deal, as US shifts to protectionism - Polidicks

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/world/asia/us-trump-tpp-signed.html[/url] [quote]A trade pact originally conceived by the United States to counter China’s growing economic might in Asia now has a new target: President Trump’s embrace of protectionism. A group of 11 nations — including major United States allies like Japan, Canada and Australia — signed a broad trade deal on Thursday in Chile’s capital, Santiago, that challenges Mr. Trump’s view of trade as a zero-sum game filled with winners and losers. Covering 500 million people on either side of the Pacific Ocean, the pact represents a new vision for global trade as the United States imposes steel and aluminum tariffs on even some of its closest friends. Mr. Trump withdrew the United States from an earlier version of the agreement, then known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a year ago as one of his first acts in office. The resuscitated deal is undeniably weaker without the participation of the world’s biggest economy, but it serves as a powerful sign of how countries that have previously counted on American leadership are now forging ahead without it.[/quote]

if it doesn't contain the same globalist copyright/DRM enforcement bs the TPP had then i guess it's good

[QUOTE=Sinatra;53187770]if it doesn't contain the same globalist copyright/DRM enforcement bs the TPP had then i guess it's good[/QUOTE] "Globalist" is an [URL=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/8/17096876/globalists-explained]anti-Semitic dog whistle[/URL] btw, I'm never comfortable hearing that term

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53187797]"Globalist" is an [URL=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/8/17096876/globalists-explained]anti-Semitic dog whistle[/URL] btw, I'm never comfortable hearing that term[/QUOTE] Oh shut up, the TPP that everyone was shouting about had copyright provisions worse than ACTA, and that's one major reason people were pissed about it. Those provisions meant everything from more corporate influence over what kind of content may exist online, to more expensive pharmaceuticals due to generics being banned to protect brands.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53188022]Oh shut up, the TPP that everyone was shouting about had copyright provisions worse than ACTA, and that's one major reason people were pissed about it. Those provisions meant everything from more corporate influence over what kind of content may exist online, to more expensive pharmaceuticals due to generics being banned to protect brands.[/QUOTE] He never said the TPP wasn't shit, just that globalist is a right-wing anti-semetic term.

This is how you can actually win against china btw trump Give those countries reason to not have to be abused by China.

[QUOTE=Sinatra;53187770]if it doesn't contain the same globalist copyright/DRM enforcement bs the TPP had then i guess it's good[/QUOTE] NZ pushed for some changes and scored a total of 22 items to be suspended from the original agreement, however they are simply suspensions that come back in full force if the US ever decides to rejoin, this isn't a good trade deal, not by a long shot. I believe our foreign affairs and trade estimated a GDP increase of 0.3 to 1.0% when fully implemented in 2038

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53187797]"Globalist" is an [URL=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/8/17096876/globalists-explained]anti-Semitic dog whistle[/URL] btw, I'm never comfortable hearing that term[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rika-chan;53188042]He never said the TPP wasn't shit, just that globalist is a right-wing anti-semetic term.[/QUOTE] the topic of this thread is economic globalization. "globalist" has become seen as an antisemetic insult because cultural and economic globalization are among the subjects the extreme right opposes. that doesn't make the word any less applicable to this subject.

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53187797]"Globalist" is an [URL=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/8/17096876/globalists-explained]anti-Semitic dog whistle[/URL] btw, I'm never comfortable hearing that term[/QUOTE] Sorry I know that I am going off-topic, but to add to your post, god damn does it piss me off whenever I see someone use the word globalism in place of globalisation. It seems especially prevalent in use by Americans. Even if globalism was an actual thing, that would describe an ideology, whereas globalisation is an on-going, almost natural process. It would be like calling evolution ‘evolism’.

[QUOTE=TWKUK;53188865]the topic of this thread is economic globalization. "globalist" has become seen as an antisemetic insult because cultural and economic globalization are among the subjects the extreme right opposes. that doesn't make the word any less applicable to this subject.[/QUOTE] The term in itself would very much a non-statement if it weren't for the antisemitic connotation. It applies to neoliberals who advocate globalization and supporters of the internationale. You're pretty much a globalist as soon as you argue for the free circulation of goods & people or either of those. This is the infowars horseshoe.

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53187797]"Globalist" is an [URL=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/8/17096876/globalists-explained]anti-Semitic dog whistle[/URL] btw, I'm never comfortable hearing that term[/QUOTE] Vox is why we should not believe misinformation is limited to the right That's like saying neoliberal is anti semitic. Is 'dog whistle' an excuse to project what people feel someone is saying, 'your truth' style? The reality is both the left and the right are fairly detached from working people and those in the countryside, which is the root of a lot of it. 'Globalist' also arose from overall dissent with our system and where our two parties overlapped, such as on trade and migration. It's a useful label when you need to add an extra dimension when left and right is insufficient after the cold war era

I'm usually critical of Trump, but this deal was bad. From SOPA levels of BS to monopolizing medical drugs for big pharma even more, I'm not sad to see it dead

It was the copyright bullshit plus the Pharma stuff that made me hate the old TPP. Trump may be an idiot, but even a broken click is right twice a day .

[QUOTE=BF;53188876]Sorry I know that I am going off-topic, but to add to your post, god damn does it piss me off whenever I see someone use the word globalism in place of globalisation. It seems especially prevalent in use by Americans. Even if globalism was an actual thing, that would describe an ideology, whereas globalisation is an on-going, almost natural process. It would be like calling evolution ‘evolism’.[/QUOTE] Joke's on you, Young Earth Creationists are fond of labeling people who believe in the theory of evolution (meaning, most anyone who believes in science) "evolutionists" as if it's a movement and not an established scientific fact. And guess where a significant concentration of vocal creationists live?

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53187797]"Globalist" is an [URL=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/8/17096876/globalists-explained]anti-Semitic dog whistle[/URL] btw, I'm never comfortable hearing that term[/QUOTE] Uh, isn't globalist just the opposite of nationalist? How the hell is it anti semitic? Fucking vox.

[QUOTE=Nihilnoid;53191508]Uh, isn't globalist just the opposite of nationalist? How the hell is it anti semitic? Fucking vox.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen anybody besides nationalist conspiracy nutters use the term.

[QUOTE=Nihilnoid;53191508]Uh, isn't globalist just the opposite of nationalist? How the hell is it anti semitic? Fucking vox.[/QUOTE] Yeah, while I could see the attractiveness in using the term "globalist" to refer to the sort of supernational corporate interests that TPP favored, I can't really get away from the sort of Alex Jonesian/David Ickesian suggestion of the term.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;53191516]I haven't seen anybody besides nationalist conspiracy nutters use the term.[/QUOTE] There is a pop-up restaurant in my city called [URL="https://www.globalistakonyha.com/"]Globalist Kitchen[/URL]. And around here a quite a few mainstream commentators/news sites (even some on the left) use the word without any connotation to anti-semitism.

Honestl Ive heard this before and I find the whole idea of "dog whistles" to be completely ridiculous. How about instead of making some completely fucking innocous words and prhases "fascist dog whistles" to play spot the spy with the alt-right on the internet you just judge people by what they are trying to say instead? Not to mention, most alt-righters arent some kind of double agents of nazi destruction hiding "hail hydra" in their twitter handles. They are just normal people with shitty opinions going around the internet doing their own things, spreading their disinformation around because thats what people who feel invested in some cause do. Sure there are some nazis that willingly go out of their way to promote facist ideas undercover, but most of them are just Tudds of this world, doing this shit because thats what they think and couldnt being bothered to be all strategic and stelthy about it. You dont need to invent "dog whistles" to spot these people, unless you have the need to shame someone publicly for it and dont have anything more concrete, like genuenly racist or inapropriate statements, to go for it.

[QUOTE=Nihilnoid;53191508]Uh, isn't globalist just the opposite of nationalist? How the hell is it anti semitic? Fucking vox.[/QUOTE] ann coulter went on a weird screed a few days about globalists and...half globalists? [media]https://twitter.com/TheRedHo0d/status/971988430769946624[/media]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53193756]ann coulter went on a weird screed a few days about globalists and...half globalists? [media]https://twitter.com/TheRedHo0d/status/971988430769946624[/media][/QUOTE] She was mocking the notion that "globalist" is an anti-semitic dogwhistle, mocking claims that the alt-right uses it for anti-semitic purposes. And then actual alt-right white nationalists instantly took it as total validation and promotion of their anti-semitic views. Good job you menstruating rake. [IMG]http://files.rightwingwatch.org/uploads/rose.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://files.rightwingwatch.org/uploads/4chan-coulter.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://files.rightwingwatch.org/uploads/TDS-Ann.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;53194246]She was mocking the notion that "globalist" is an anti-semitic dogwhistle, mocking claims that the alt-right uses it for anti-semitic purposes. And then actual alt-right white nationalists instantly took it as total validation and promotion of their anti-semitic views. [/QUOTE] What if Ann Coulter knows it's a dogwhistle and was playing 52-D Chinese Checkers? [video=youtube;1seThIG34R8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1seThIG34R8[/video]

I mean, Ann is a professional troll. This is how she makes her living. She doesn't care that she's encouraging white supremacists. They buy her books for validation, and angry liberals buy her books to get angry and piss on them, win win for her. She's been running the Sheep Tax game far longer than most people who're cashing in on Trump's cult following. When Canada didn't join in on America's 2003 Iraq invasion, Ann suggested on live TV that we were somehow bad and disloyal friends for not going in there and joining our best buds for some good old-fashioned bullet-propelled regime change, and that Canada is "lucky" that America doesn't "roll over and crush" us. Implying a land invasion of Canada for not being America's third wheel in oil warfare.