• Venezuela president declares emergency, cites U.S., domestic 'threats'
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[quote=Reuters]Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro declared a 60-day state of emergency on Friday due to what he called plots from within the OPEC country and the United States to topple his leftist government. Maduro did not provide details of the measure. A previous state of emergency, implemented in states near the Colombian border last year, suspended constitutional guarantees in those areas, except for guarantees relating to human rights.[/quote] [URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKCN0Y501X[/URL]
I'm not sure how this could be ended in any way that doesn't involve the Venezuelan military taking over. Military coups are rarely pleasant.
The only domestic threat is Maduro and his supporters. Won't be long before a coup/mass riots start.
people have seen the writing on the wall for years i can only say that maduro and the socialist party deserve what's coming to them now
Yeah, its our fault. Not the country's decades of shitty socialist policies.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50318825]Yeah, its our fault. Not the country's decades of shitty socialist policies.[/QUOTE] The problem is blatant corruption, which they disguised behind a cover with "socialism" written on it half-assedly. Venezuela needs a government that isn't so dirty they'd make a port-a-john at a concert look clean in comparison.
Please, for once can we not have the socialism argument in a Venezuela news thread?
[QUOTE=SBD;50319064]Please, for once can we not have the socialism argument in a Venezuela news thread?[/QUOTE] How could you possibly divorce the two issues? The economic system of Venezuela is obviously relevant to why the country if failing. How can you not see this?
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319088]How could you possibly divorce the two issues? The economic system of Venezuela is obviously relevant to why the country if failing. How can you not see this?[/QUOTE] Yes, it's obvious, so why must it be argued over ad nauseam?
[QUOTE=SBD;50319142]Yes, it's obvious, so why must it be argued over ad nauseam?[/QUOTE] No, its not obvious. People will still deny the link between the state's policies and Venezuela's current problems (usually while wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt). But fine. What else do you want to talk about?
Someone needs to hurry up and put a bullet in this stupid shit.
[QUOTE=Van-man;50318980]The problem is blatant corruption, which they disguised behind a cover with "socialism" written on it half-assedly. Venezuela needs a government that isn't so dirty they'd make a port-a-john at a concert look clean in comparison.[/QUOTE] the problem is literally the fact that the [b]socialist[/b] government has been enacting [b]socialist[/b] policies which intend to dismantle the fundamental aspects of the "capitalist" economy and create a [b]socialist[/b] society in which the means of production are owned publicly instead of privately (i.e the bulk of economic activity is handled by the state and/or communes) if venezuela wasn't corrupt and actually had a functioning government and economy it would have still encountered more or less the same problems that have been introduced on the basis of [b]socialist[/b] principles how we do know this? because while venezuela had problems at the end of the last century, a reasonably competent centrist (or even moderate left) government could have overcome as has happened in many other latin american nations in the past 17 years (many of which underwent economic transition, a decline in inequality, and various other improvements). why is it that a government that blatantly calls itself [b]socialist[/b], was supported by the same demographics socialists rely on, introduced policies much like those in the hard left [b]socialist[/b] countries (like maoist china, the ussr, yugoslavia, etc), and even was given considerable support by [b]socialist[/b] countries (like cuba) and other numerous organisations and individuals (does anybody remember how micheal moore gushed mad over him for providing free healthcare and education and shit?) somehow isn't socialist? socialism has been and continues to be an utterly miserable failure supported by an ever declining number of crackpots who believe that despite virtually every instance of a [b]socialist[/b]implementation resulting in a brutal civil war, famine, economic collapse, etc it still isn't responsible for these problems venezuelan posters have been mentioning on this forum for years how their country has been slowly falling apart due to these [b]socialist[/b] policies and even now on the brink of famine and the entire electrical grid shutting down, when kidnappings are daily and the country is half run by druglords while the zika epidemic overwhelms a crippled healthcare system. there are posters who have fled or are trying to leave the country because of 17 years of this shit. venezuela is now a complete shithole because of socialism, and while that doesn't excuse right wing retards in the USA who claim that public healthcare or minimum wages will destroy america, neither does it excuse people who are kidding themselves that venezuela is just another exception in a long list of exceptions
The only domestic threat from the United States is gunrunners at the moment who are probably gonna make big money for the sniper rifle which is going to drop this sadistic fuck.
51st state when
This might be the only time a latin american country has collapsed and the CIA didn't do it
[QUOTE=pointyface;50319659]This might be the only time a latin american country has collapsed and the CIA didn't do it[/QUOTE] would we know if they did?
[QUOTE=Advisor;50319698]would we know if they did?[/QUOTE] Maybe
[QUOTE=Cructo;50319843]Can't be worse than their current government.[/QUOTE] The military is already in the government so I fail to see how they would improve anything. [QUOTE=Advisor;50319698]would we know if they did?[/QUOTE] The degree of incompetence that the Venezuelan government seems to show transcends even the dumbest displays of ineptitude the CIA has demonstrated. It's just impossible to fuck up this badly without REALLY wanting to.
To all the people arguing, it seems a combination of bad socialist policies, corruption and apathetic levels of incompetence. Socialism and social democracy are two different things.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319197]No, its not obvious. People will still deny the link between the state's policies and Venezuela's current problems [B](usually while wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt)[/B].[/QUOTE] do you really think this is the people you're arguing with here i honestly couldn't give two shits about socialism, i'm sure plenty of fpers here feel the same way. it's just annoying seeing some people willfully ignoring the history of south america, and the reasons why venezuela's system is what it is, just so they can ignorantly go "see, i told you socialism doesn't work", not because they legitimately care but because they want the minimum amount of information possible that still vindicates them
Yeah retard, this is our fault. Aight.
[QUOTE=Cructo;50320002]Yes, it is. There are a lot of teenager socialists here, and every time socialism comes up they have this stance.[/QUOTE] 'a lot' doesn't mean everyone who thinks venezuela's problems aren't [I]solely[/I] due to socialism is an edgy 14 year old
I think the whole debate about socialism in these threads has more to do with what each person thinks socialism is
I wonder what "threats" Maduro fears, his removal from the Goverment and every leftist or socialist member to allow the right reign over the political and economical landscape?
[QUOTE=Van-man;50318980]The problem is blatant corruption, which they disguised behind a cover with "socialism" written on it half-assedly. Venezuela needs a government that isn't so dirty they'd make a port-a-john at a concert look clean in comparison.[/QUOTE] Power attracts the corrupt and the government assumed all the power. This was inevitable and both fed each other.
[QUOTE=pointyface;50319659]This might be the only time a latin american country has collapsed and the CIA didn't do it[/QUOTE] I think at this point a CIA intervention might do them good :v: Who knows maybe they'll end up like Chile, they turned out alright
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50320096]'a lot' doesn't mean everyone who thinks venezuela's problems aren't [I]solely[/I] due to socialism is an edgy 14 year old[/QUOTE] When did I say it was solely socialism? Strawman.
[QUOTE=FalconHBFS;50320171]I wonder what "threats" Maduro fears, his removal from the Goverment and every leftist or socialist member to allow the right reign over the political and economical landscape?[/QUOTE] Criminal charges, that's what he fears. The government has entrenched more and more this year as they fear that the iron curtain they've created will collapse and all their sins will be revealed to the world and to the country. I'm sure that once the true extent of their corruption is revealed there will be no man or woman left in the world willing to defend them. I honestly love to reminisce how just a year ago there were FPers defending the Venezuelan government claiming that the elections were clean and that the institutions were behaving correctly. Look at us a mere 6 months after the last election, look just how democratic Venezuela is now.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50320267]When did I say it was solely socialism? Strawman.[/QUOTE] when the argument comes up about a link between socialism and venezuela's issues, it often boils down to 'solely', yes. people keep turning it into a chicken and egg problem - did the corruption cause their current take on socialism? did their current take on socialism cause corruption? (one look at a history book shows the answer is a tad more complicated) you gave a generalized response to the kind of argument you usually see in these threads, i gave a generalized response as well, and now you're getting all defensive because of it. except you also stooped down to generalizing the people who [I]make [/I]the arguments as well, which is just petty [editline]14th May 2016[/editline] wanna talk strawmen? right back at you [QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319197](usually while wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt).[/QUOTE]
I, the elected president by the people of facepunch, declare, that from now on, every thread about our glorious nation Venezuela, shall be musicalized with this masterpiece: [video=youtube;Kd2b7PYyZic]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd2b7PYyZic[/video] No really, IDK but everytime I read in a thread title the word "VENEZUELA" this pops up in my mind. Venezuela is two seconds away from becoming an african banana republic with infinite civil war....this is going to be a nice fuck up
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